Rangertell LRL discreditation

[Theseus]

And, am I to suppose that because you saw it on youtube, you believe it to be true? Dell

What's not to believe? The dowsers were speaking for themselves, and they were dowsing in good faith; and missing the target they said they could find 100% of the time. They scored pure chance results, just exactly like your dowsing or my dowsing would produce.

What's not to believe?

Deny all you want, just like you deny there is only one kind of dowsing; but your denial will NEVER change the truth of the matter.

[Qiaozhi]

And, am I to suppose that because you saw it on youtube, you believe it to be true? Dell

Clearly my prediction was correct then ... you didn't bother to watch it.

For your reference: Richard Dawkins is the Charles Simonyi Professor for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University and a fellow of New College.

And - your selective memory (no doubt honed to perfection from years of dowsing activity) has managed to filter out my previous question -> which program are you referring to?

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK"

[Fred]

From your post, an LRL'er might say, "Gold resonates at 1.729 MHz," and that's that. They would, of course, be completely wrong, in the same way that they would be wrong to say, "Bridges resonate at 1.148 Hz."!

I don´t understand from where this frequency comes. From what i understood it is depending of the intensity of field applied to make it resonate.
But if we admit the presence uniformely distributed field, i suppose it would make "respond" any metal at a determinate frequency,depending of the metal itself.
??
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Simple coin with FM radio, no more 3-5 m !?!?!?
Boooooahahahahahahahahahahahaa!

What "m" stands for? Milimeter? Even than is hell of result!

And more: For to evitate FM and AM signals, you can eliminate FM coil and AM ferrite (also here you loose some extra weight!) and use only audio input via volume pot. with some simple circuitry in this input. Put the radio pot. external as sensibility control. In the end... all is audio!
Don't forget audio beeps gen. at audio output of the radio.

[roberts]

Esteban you should learn more details about radio.
Setup you are talking about usually do have front end,local oscilator,mixer,demodulator and finaly audio stage.
So you are suggesting void of "coil" at front end? What will you get?
Some undefined "signal" fed to front end mixed with local oscilator and giving what? Ha? Sorry,this time i do not want to mocker but you are suggesting huge nonsence here!?
Please learn more about radio before coming here and posting nonsences.

[Fred]

Esteban you should learn more details about radio.
Setup you are talking about usually do have front end,local oscilator,mixer,demodulator and finaly audio stage.
So you are suggesting void of "coil" at front end? What will you get?
Some undefined "signal" fed to front end mixed with local oscilator and giving what? Ha? Sorry,this time i do not want to mocker but you are suggesting huge nonsence here!?
Please learn more about radio before coming here and posting nonsences.

Hi robert,
Thinking better ( ) , if you remove the coil ,(the selective circuit), you ´ll end up with a wideband sensitive RF detector.
Same story that we had almost one year before, with cellphone PCB, remember? You can believe it or not, but one thing is for sure: Esteban is very consistent with his info .
regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Esteban you should learn more details about radio.
Setup you are talking about usually do have front end,local oscilator,mixer,demodulator and finaly audio stage.
So you are suggesting void of "coil" at front end? What will you get?
Some undefined "signal" fed to front end mixed with local oscilator and giving what? Ha? Sorry,this time i do not want to mocker but you are suggesting huge nonsence here!?
Please learn more about radio before coming here and posting nonsences.

Not a coil, a telescopic antenna. But can be a coil. Also I don't know why RF can detect variations in sites with metal buried for some years. If science don't show me how detect at regular distance, so, I'm free for to search in different ways. But I learn from other and this other uses RF detector.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

... you can eliminate FM coil and AM ferrite

I think robert was refering to that coil...i was!
regards,
Fred.

[Qiaozhi]

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

And - your selective memory (no doubt honed to perfection from years of dowsing activity) has managed to filter out my previous question -> which program are you referring to?

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK"

4 days have passed, and it seems that Dell's selective memory and turned into complete memory failure.
So Dell - which program was it then that you were referring to?

I wonder how many other awkward questions you have managed to avoid by this technique?

[Fred]

4 days have passed, and it seems that Dell's selective memory and turned into complete memory failure.
So Dell - which program was it then that you were referring to?

I wonder how many other awkward questions you have managed to avoid by this technique?

From what i have seen so far, a lot.
As soon as a revelant question is made, Dell is gone.

[Theseus]

From what i have seen so far, a lot.
As soon as a revelant question is made, Dell is gone.

He's been doing this little trick for years.

If you really get him cornered, he will make some kind of farewell posting, and then be gone completely for a period of time, while the current posters forget all about the questions they were asking him.

Can't tell you how many times I've seen him pull this same stunt, but it is one he has rehearsed and executed countless times.

Finally, when he believes the "heat" is off of him, he will once again surface, and -- you guessed it; we will repeat the same scenario all over again.

[Qiaozhi]

From what i have seen so far, a lot.
As soon as a revelant question is made, Dell is gone.

He's been doing this little trick for years.

If you really get him cornered, he will make some kind of farewell posting, and then be gone completely for a period of time, while the current posters forget all about the questions they were asking him.

Can't tell you how many times I've seen him pull this same stunt, but it is one he has rehearsed and executed countless times.

Finally, when he believes the "heat" is off of him, he will once again surface, and -- you guessed it; we will repeat the same scenario all over again.

Perhaps we should have the complete list of unanswered questions compiled and waiting for his return.
Sounds like a job for JP...

[Theseus]

Perhaps we should have the complete list of unanswered questions compiled and waiting for his return.
Sounds like a job for JP...

I'm sure JP could use a list of questions in some manner.

Here is one to get things started:

Dell has always contended there are two types of dowsing, mental and physical. Mental is done with a needle dangled from a thread and is strictly a "mind" thing. Physical does not involve dowsing, or a "normal" ideomotor effect; but rather involves MFD (frequency generators plugged into the ground), physical signal lines between the FG and the target, and the L-rod tips angled down by several degrees from level.

My "unanswered" question(s) to him have always been: Dell, please post valid and substantiated evidence to support your theory of two types of dowsing. Also, show how the signals from your "physical" dowsing can be measured with something other than L-rods held in your hand.

[Fred]

Hi,
Also, a list of necessary operator´s conditions (iron blood, empty stomach,mental preparation,years of training, etc etc,) would be interesting...

[Dell Winders]

Dell has always contended there are two types of dowsing, mental and physical. Mental is done with a needle dangled from a thread and is strictly a "mind" thing. Physical does not involve dowsing, or a "normal" ideomotor effect; but rather involves MFD (frequency generators plugged into the ground), physical signal lines between the FG and the target, and the L-rod tips angled down by several degrees from level.

Sorry, It is you who insists on confusing physics, with meta-physics. I, at least know the difference, and when you combine the two methods, it causes errors in interpretation, and boggling confusion in the minds of the Skeptics.

Shame, shame on you Sam. Stealing a partial post from another forum with out giving credit, misconsruing it totally out of context, and use your rant to excuse your prejudice, and show off that tid bit of knowledge you learned from me, to save face in front of your peers for your own inability to learn to Dowse.

The truth is, I have always agreed. By definition, there is only one true dowsing method, and that is the meta-physical use of a trained mind/muscle, ideomotor response.

The implication of known laws of physics incorporated into meta-physical Dowsing is inaccurate, in my opinion, and at best a mis-nomer.

I sure don't understand the mentality that denies that a metal rod cannot be applied to physics applications? There is no scientific proof, or evidence of truth whatsoever, to warrant such an idiotic assertion. Dell