DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON

[Carl-NC]

Dell, was the scientist on 20/20 John Baumgardner?

[Theseus]

More on the Dr. Baumgardner Connection

Another interesting article, concerning Baumgardner's association with the so-called discovery of Noah's Ark.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/wyatt.html

Excerpt:

"IT IS ALLEGED THAT Metal detecting surveys using a 'molecular frequency generator/discriminator' mapped out these 'iron lines', which represent longitudinal and cross beams containing iron nails and /or brackets. (These 'iron lines' were marked out with bright yellow plastic tape for greater impact.)

A 'molecular frequency generator consists of a pair of brass welding rods. bent at 90-near one end, which are placed in sleeves for ease of movement while hand-held, connected by wires to a set of batteries which are carried in the operator's pocket. (This electrical source is supposed to make the device more sensitive!) A so-called frequency generator is placed on the ground within the area to be surveyed. The dials are set on this 'instrument' for it to emit the supposed inaudible frequency of whatever metal (gold, iron, etc.) one hopes to detect. As the operator walks along holding the brass rods out in front, one in each hand, the rods are supposed to cross or separate when the subsurface target is located. Such movement, however, will occur by simple physical principles even when there are no batteries connected. Just as a supermarket trolley (castor) wheel tends to trail behind the direction of motion, there is a tendency for the long arms of the rods to rotate so as to trail behind the direction of walking. The resultant crossing or separating may therefore easily be initiated by the conscious or unconscious expectations of the user.

Qualified scientists have been independently consulted about this gadget, which is generally advertised in treasure-hunting magazines, not scientific journals. They are unanimous that there are no scientific principles employed. Indeed, two of these scientists built and tested working models. The results of this technique can hardly be considered trustworthy, the brass welding rods being used in essence, as divining rods, similar to the use of a forked stick to search for water.* So the 'iron lines' on diagrams of the boat shape and the lines of plastic tape in photo graphs are only an interpretation based on 'results' from a pseudo-scientific 'instrument'. They have not been able to be reproduced or verified by any reputable scientific survey technique, including standard metal detection equipment. This includes the highly sophisticated types of magnetometer used by mining companies (see later). (* Even Baumgardner, to his later embarrassment, was initially taken in by the false claims attributed to this 'instrument'. Fasold still promotes its virtues and cries 'foul' when these 'home truths' are pointed out, yet if it were what he claims then every mining company and fortune seeker would own and operate one and be making hordes of money! No mining company uses anything like it.)"

[Steve in MS]

The boat was made of wood but the Omnitron might have been signaling on
b.s. left over from the animals but I bet it won't detect metals.

[Dell Winders]

It's easy to see the mentality of proclaimed Skeptics on this forum to attempt to hijack and cover up posts about the world wide uses of DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON, with fact less personal opinions derived from speculation, imagination, and here say, to attack the character of my customers who challenge your mentality with their finds, and discoveries.

For years, on this and other forums, I have been demanded by the so called Skeptics, to show any thing that has ever been found with Omnitron. Rather than accept the fact that Treasure has been found and Discoveries have been made as a result, or with the aid of DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON.

Several books have been published, numerous articles, videos, and television documentaries have been made as a result of the use of my products. I am proud, and happy for my customers and their successes with my products.

No matter how much you try to destroy the credibility of my customers, the facts still remain. "People world wide have enjoyed time, and money saving benefits with the aid of using DELL SYSTEMS-OMNITRON in their searches.

Try as you may with your UN-SCIENTIFIC mocking, and here say reports, these facts will always remain true

The question is, Do you wish for me to continue posting comments I've received from my customers, and MFG users without hijacking, or interruption, or do you wish me to stop posting, so that you may continue to wallow in your ignorance, or self interests, to conceal the facts about the findings, and discoveries by customers of DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON. Dell

http://www.omnitron.net

[WesP]

My Vote!

I vote to "continue to wallow in your ignorance, or self interests, to conceal the facts about the findings, and discoveries by customers of DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON."

Where's the Beef?

[Fred]

Dell, was the scientist on 20/20 John Baumgardner?

Now i am curious too.

However, when i feel thirsty i like to drink COCA COLA , because it has been proven it doesn´t harm you , and COCA COLA is good for your health.
I perfectly know that COCA COLA doesn´t contain too much sugar.
Is is a fact . /

[Theseus]

The question is, Do you wish for me to continue posting comments I've received from my customers, and MFG users without hijacking, or interruption, or do you wish me to stop posting.... Dell

So far what you've posted has not been anything that could not be easily refuted because it comes from "highly questionable" and unsubstantiated sources. Consequently, your thread was not hijacked, rather responses were made to inject some semblance of truth and related factual matter.

To answer your question, why don't you not publish any more comments until you have actual double-blind test data that was monitored and agreed valid by several dis-interested third parties.

What you've published so far are really unsubstantiated anecdotal accounting's that equate to nothing more than free advertising for yourself and your bogus products.

Oh, and one final question you seem to keep stepping over:
Was it John Baumgardner in the 20/20 program?

[Esteban]

Testimonies

[Qiaozhi]

Testimonies

All from a reliable source ->

http://www.omnitron.net/del_cust.htm

[Carl-NC]

Dell, was the scientist on 20/20 John Baumgardner?

It's a simple question.

[joecoin]

I vote to "continue to wallow in your ignorance, or self interests, to conceal the facts about the findings, and discoveries by customers of DELL SYSTEMS - OMNITRON."

Where's the Beef?

I vote that Dell stop posting also.


The fact that he has sold x number of his products COULD be equated to the fact that thousands if not millions of decks of Tarot cards have also been sold.

[Fred]

I vote that Dell stop posting also.

From what i have seen before when someone make a precise question Dell automatically stops posting for a while.

PS : For you Joecoin :

[J_Player]

My Vote

Hey, Dell is not posting facts. He is posting propaganda like you see on his web page.

Are any of these testimonials and so-called facts true, or did Dell make them up? It seems he cannot show us any proof in the way of a demonstration, just as he cannot show any of his treasure machines actually doing what they are depicted to do on his web pages.

Why can't Dell answer any direct question with a truthful, factual answer such as Yes or No? like: "Was it John Baumgardner"? for example.

Was it a secret reporter that Dell is referring to, just as he has secret witnesses to his machines doing something useful? Would any normal minded, prudent person believe all the amazing stories Dell tells with secret witnesses and reporters? Who is supposed to believe this stuff? Exceptionally stupid people?

Are we hearing Dell shovel out a lot of bogus propaganda mixed in with news events?

I vote Dell stops posting unfounded propaganda and starts posting facts that can be established as facts by any normal-minded person.

Best wishes
J_P

[Carl-NC]

There's a Good Reason Dell won't answer my question.

Dell has long touted a claim that his Omnitron was involved in identifying the site of Noah's Ark in Turkey. The claim was made by David Fasold (see the Wiki article), and even to this day Dell has a letter by Fasold on his web site ("Read how Omnitron Systems played a part in this historical discovery") to promote the claim. This was the topic of the 20/20 TV show Dell mentions.

John Baumgardner is a (real) geophysicist who got involved in the Durupinar (Ark) site. He was initially duped by the claims of Fasold and others that the Omnitron MFD had successfully mapped out buried iron fittings at the site. But Baumgardner later conducted his own magnetometer and GPR surveys of the site, and determined that the results Fasold obtained with the MFD were totally wrong. Baumgardner realized the MFD concept was bogus. Years ago I personally contacted Baumgardner and confirmed this. He even sent me a copy of his report.

Here's the funny part. At one time, Dell included a quote from Baumgardner, without permission, in his "endorsements", see below. Since Baumgardner considered Dell's MFD to be bogus, he didn't take kindly to having his quote included, and made Dell remove it.

So Dell continues to claim that a mysterious "scientist" supports the MFD concept.

Funny Part #2. David Fasold, whose letter Dell still waves around at every chance, later completely renounced his support for the Durupiner site being Noah's Ark. He joined the scientific community's assessment that the site was just a geologic formation, and even co-authored a scientific paper debunking the Ark claims. If Fasold were still alive today, he probably wouldn't think much of Dell using his original errant claim to help sell bogus devices.

So Dell has never been very honest about his endorsements and quotes, and I really wouldn't trust anything he claims without independent validation.

- Carl

P.S. -- Dell, is that endorsement by "C.C., KY" the infamous Claude Cochran? That's like having Charles Ponzi endorse a financial investment plan!

[Steve in MS]

Dell, you need not to use the term "scientific" you make about your products.
Instead use the term science fiction for describing what they do.
The word science comes from the latin "to know"
"We know" nothing about the usefulness of your products because there is no data available for any level of competence concerning them.
Now compare that to any other devices on the market which have been proven effective within given perimeters.
Hope this isn't too difficult for you to understand and sorry, we won't take your word for it or the others who can't provide scientific data required for
evaluation.
Contrast your devices' usefulness compared to standard metal detectors which have been proven over and over again, year after year by thousands of users.
I would imagine Carl would be glad to setup a field for you or one of your device users to test and record the results, no?
You are getting free advertisement space here on Geotech, what more can you ask?