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[ivconic]

Hi Geo

Thanks a lot for visiting me and my country.
It was a pleasure to teach you how Pistoldetector works and to make the tests diging buried objects some meters distance. But unfortunly skeptics not react very well and start calling you and me LIERS,so i sugest that all your informations about Alonso Pistoldetector,that you get in front of osciloscope and frequencimeter SHOULD NOT SHARE WITH NOBODY IN THIS NONSENSE FORUM !!! They not deserve the true,in other short way i should say NOT GIVE THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS

Regards

Fine! Now you solved all the problems. Instead of supporting all what have been started here on this subject.
As i remember; nobody here said a word about you and Geo being liers!
Especially me, me who respects Geo much. I would never think and say something simillar.
You dont like my comments and remarks. Just because i saw videos and honestly posted in public my real opinion... Fine.

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic.
We made simple tests and wrote them to a small photo camera.
We was out on field, we had not a cinema studio with us. So a boy with small camera took the video, and Morgan send it to Qiaozhi. This is all the story. I say that Alonso Pistol works 1000%. I saw it.
I don't sell detectors, i don't work for any detectors company, so i have not any reason to go so big travel and to say Lies!!!!!
BUT if you don't like to believe it, it is your choice.

Regards

Geo try to understand! I am not attacking you and Morgan for nothing.
I just dont see proper and detailed tests on videos.
That's all.

[J_Player]

Geo try to understand! I am not attacking you and Morgan for nothing.
I just dont see proper and detailed tests on videos.
That's all.

Hi Ivconic,
Morgan never promised to show any particular kind of "proper detailed tests". He only said he would hold a demonstration of his LRLs working for any forum members who want to come to see and test them for themselves. We all had the opportunity to go and conduct our own "proper tests". But all declined except Geo. Geo says he made all tests he needed to satisfy himself that the pistol detector works.

Maybe it is better to go to the demonstration where you can make proper tests to satisfy yourself than to criticize from the arm chair that the tests are not proper.

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic,
Morgan never promised to show any particular kind of "proper detailed tests". He only said he would hold a demonstration of his LRLs working for any forum members who want to come to see and test them for themselves. We all had the opportunity to go and conduct our own "proper tests". But all declined except Geo. Geo says he made all tests he needed to satisfy himself that the pistol detector works.

Maybe it is better to go to the demonstration where you can make proper tests to satisfy yourself than to criticize from the arm chair that the tests are not proper.

Best wishes,
J_P

I didnt declined, i just couldnt afford to go there. Pitty.
They made movies for us to see and to debate about. Right?
So now you are saying that i dont have right to talk about my personal impressions!?
So if is that so, than why they made those movies at all?
" You can watch - but you can not talk with criticism about it!" Right!?

[J_Player]

I didnt declined, i just couldnt afford to go there. Pitty.
They made movies for us to see and to debate about. Right?
So now you are saying that i dont have right to talk about my personal impressions!?
So if is that so, than why they made those movies at all?
" You can watch - but you can not talk with criticism about it!" Right!

I said nothing about anybody's rights. Nor did I say anything about what we can do and cannot do. What I said is:
"Maybe it is better to go to the demonstration where you can make proper tests to satisfy yourself than to criticize from the arm chair that the tests are not proper".

Please don't misquote me as saying something different than what I wrote just to prove your point.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

time and money for what?

Yes Morgan I agree with you. I dont believe it people, you saw the PD in the Video's working. Morgan and Geo went to a lot of trouble to make these video's and we owe it to them. They spent time and money and some of the people here are not thankful.
Guys keep up the good work. I believe you..
Astrodetect

They spent time and money and some of the people here are not thankful.
The question is for what ?
The video should show the thingie working.
Why not show it.
It is looking very fishie to me.
Show the proof.

[Qiaozhi]

PD Video Debate



Now you can see the reason why I never posted the videos in the open forum.

Both Morgan and Geo deserve a fair hearing. I guess you could call this the "PD Premiere", where it gets shown to a selected audience. Perhaps the videos will go on wider release later, but only if Morgan and Geo give their approval.

This subject is controversial and bound to stir up some emotions. Although sometimes I do wonder why everyone gets so upset. After all ... look at the comments already posted in the open forum ... and some of you haven't even seen the videos yet!

Please give Morgan and Geo a break. They are only reporting their findings. Although, unfortunately, the lack of any double-blind testing was bound to result in more questions than answers.

[Fred]

We have doubts because Morgan wanted to prove how well the PD works, intead of simply prove that it works.

The experience is positive anyway, and i would like to see more completes videos to really understand what makes the PD beeps.

[Theseus]

At this time, I personally don't recall rendering an opinion about the validity or content of video/pics.

J_Player, I don't think nearly as much fuss would be made over seeing the resultant test videos, if that POINT had not been talked about so much prior to the tests taking place; ...right here on this forum.

Now, post testing, your explanation seems to indicate that if I (or others who for various reasons, financial and other) could not attend in person, than we should not expect to be privy to any of the results, via the viewing of the pictures and/or videos. If that fact could have been stated, pretest, then I doubt there would have been all the anticipation generated among those of us who were expecting to see the results, post testing.

Certainly, it is understood (by me at least), that observing the test first-hand would have been the ideal situation, but in lieu of that - I was expecting to see the pics/videos, since it was more or less promised by several pretest postings here.

I stand by my original questions:

1.) What is really on the tapes/pics?
2.) Why must the tapes/pics (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes/pics have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success?

[Qiaozhi]

I stand by my original questions:

1.) What is really on the tapes/pics?
2.) Why must the tapes/pics (and the results) be secreted away?
3.) Would the tapes/pics have been secreted if the test results were an overwhelming success?

Sounds like "Watergate" ... or should that be "LRLgate"?

Is there a cover-up going on? Perhaps (like Watergate) sections of the tapes will be erased before being publicly aired.

Of course there is no cover-up. But Morgan in particular must give permission for them to be posted here.

[Esteban]

Said by you...

An authority in that field... second just to Dr. Hung and his gold-DNA theory...!

Kind regards,
Max

I'm authority, but you are the champion here, our boss. I decline it. We (Hung and me) are humble!

[Esteban]

Hi Morgan, hi Geo

Congratulations! Your effort is positive to me. Go ahead!

Now, they wish see the videos here, for all, but need permission of the both.

Regards

Esteban

[Theseus]

Sounds like "Watergate" ... or should that be "LRLgate"?

Is there a cover-up going on? Perhaps (like Watergate) sections of the tapes will be erased before being publicly aired.

Of course there is no cover-up. But Morgan in particular must give permission for them to be posted here.

Yup, ...Morgan has the rights to the final release, or not. Perhaps his decision will be to "never" release them. Of course that will cause the speculation as to why not, to skyrocket in the short term, and then eventually it will die down.

Alternatively, if they are eventually released, but with a large time delay, there will always be the question of how they might have been altered or edited during the time delay, and for what reason.

IMHO, the pics/videos should have been made public (on this or some other forum) the instant they were available for viewing. Then just let the chips fall where they may. The repercussions from that approach could never be as much of a problem as the present approach; secret viewings, possible editing and who knows what else.

As a RS participant, and unable to attend in person, I am very disappointed in the direction this has taken, as it appears several others are as well. Frankly, I think the only prudent thing to do now is to never release the pics/videos, let everyone here (who didn't see them) form their own opinions as to why they were secreted away - and then we all simply move on to something else to discuss. JMHO...

[Qiaozhi]

Alternatively, if they are eventually released, but with a large time delay, there will always be the question of how they might have been altered or edited during the time delay, and for what reason.

That question will not arise, as I will be the skeptic who is putting them here ... if we get permission. The videos are too large for anyone but an administrator to post. Rest assured that they will not be altered.

[Theseus]

That question will not arise, as I will be the skeptic who is putting them here ... if we get permission. The videos are too large for anyone but an administrator to post. Rest assured that they will not be altered.

Okay.