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  • J_Player
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    Originally posted by Theseus
    Can you spell f-r-i-n-g-e?
    Hahahahaaa....
    I doubt "shot signal lines returning" or "gold DNA" are fringe.... they sound like pure pseudoscience to me.

    Best wishes,
    J_P

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  • Theseus
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    Originally posted by J_Player View Post
    The primary manifestations of buried metal and long-time buried metal which have been measured by scientists are many. You can check with geologists to find that buried metals were observed to give signals on geological instruments to indicate their location. Geologists have been able to measure the primary manifestations with ground resistivity surveys, induced polarization instruments, magnetometers, RF devices devices, and metal detectors (for shallow targets) that indicate the presence of buried metal through primary measurements. Secondary effects of buried metals that have been measured by scientists include (among other methods) measuring gamma ray anomalies and trace ion concentration anomalies in the soil using chemical surveys of the soil above long-time buried metals. These primary and secondary manifestations have been established to be valid by the scientific community.

    But the hobbyists did not wait to first find the valid scientific established manifestations. Their experiments are considered invalid as proof of anything, and their home-made instruments are only tools they use when they go treasure hunting. It appears that in order for these "unvalidated" secondary theories are to be accepted, they will first need to be validated by scientists who prove they are correct through testing. In the meantime, the hobbyists rely on assumptions and draw their own conclusions such as "shot signal lines returning".


    (Just another "midway opinion" between fairy tales and science that perhaps has a little truth to it).

    Best wishes,
    J_P
    Can you spell f-r-i-n-g-e?

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  • J_Player
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    Originally posted by Theseus
    Generally, it is thought to be only reasonable to first have established a correct and valid primary manifestation; before wandering around looking form the secondary ones.

    Perhaps you (or someone else) could explain in basic terms what the primary manifestation is.
    The primary manifestations of buried metal and long-time buried metal which have been measured by scientists are many. You can check with geologists to find that buried metals were observed to give signals on geological instruments to indicate their location. Geologists have been able to measure the primary manifestations with ground resistivity surveys, induced polarization instruments, magnetometers, RF devices devices, and metal detectors (for shallow targets) that indicate the presence of buried metal through primary measurements. Secondary effects of buried metals that have been measured by scientists include (among other methods) measuring gamma ray anomalies and trace ion concentration anomalies in the soil using chemical surveys of the soil above long-time buried metals. These primary and secondary manifestations have been established to be valid by the scientific community.

    But the hobbyists did not wait to first find the valid scientific established manifestations. Their experiments are considered invalid as proof of anything, and their home-made instruments are only tools they use when they go treasure hunting. It appears that in order for these "unvalidated" secondary theories are to be accepted, they will first need to be validated by scientists who prove they are correct through testing. In the meantime, the hobbyists rely on assumptions and draw their own conclusions such as "shot signal lines returning".


    (Just another "midway opinion" between fairy tales and science that perhaps has a little truth to it).

    Best wishes,
    J_P

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  • Esteban
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    Originally posted by Theseus View Post
    Generally, it is thought to be only reasonable to first have established a correct and valid primary manifestation; before wandering around looking form the secondary ones.

    Perhaps you (or someone else) could explain in basic terms what the primary manifestation is.
    The primary manifestation is magnetic and electric (or conductive properties for each metal). This primary manifestation can distort a little the magnetic lines of Earth, this occurs with iron and also with non ferrous metals. Action of water in soil, particle migration, chemical process in situ and possible redadiated RF signals can produce the secondary manifestation.

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  • Theseus
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    Originally posted by Esteban View Post
    Some do not "make their own laws," only looking for "secondary manifestations".
    Generally, it is thought to be only reasonable to first have established a correct and valid primary manifestation; before wandering around looking form the secondary ones.

    Perhaps you (or someone else) could explain in basic terms what the primary manifestation is.

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  • Fred
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    Originally posted by Esteban View Post
    Some do not "make their own laws," only looking for "secondary manifestations".
    For Hung it is diferent:I already told you, he lives in a parallel dimension.He only uses internet to explain how laws of Physics works "over there".

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  • Esteban
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    Originally posted by Theseus View Post
    It really does no good for Hung to read about wave propagation concepts, if he refuses to accept and understand them.

    I guess like Dell and the other LRL/MFD advocates, it's a whole more fun to live in the world of pseudo science where they can make up their own rules of physics and other strange (as yet undiscovered) phenomenon.
    Some do not "make their own laws," only looking for "secondary manifestations".

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  • Theseus
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    Originally posted by Rudy View Post
    Such dribble. Obviously you need to read about basic radio transmission theory.
    It really does no good for Hung to read about wave propagation concepts, if he refuses to accept and understand them.

    I guess like Dell and the other LRL/MFD advocates, it's a whole more fun to live in the world of pseudo science where they can make up their own rules of physics and other strange (as yet undiscovered) phenomenon.

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  • WM6
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    Last News

    Dr. Best decided to upgrade Ultimate Single Chip Spiral Antenna LRL to Ultimate Single Chip Spiral Antenna Quartz controlled LRL.

    It is well known that quartz crystal oscillators operating in the thickness shear mode (TSM) are widely used to detect mass and viscosity changes in thin films and to monitor adsorption from gas and liquid phases of elements.

    The precision and detection limits attainable are constrained by the baseline response of the bare crystal.

    Dr Best show here that using a conductive adhesive (Eccobond 56C) to fix the spiral antennas directly to the quartz oscillator results in significant improvement in the signal-to-noise ratio in measurements of the conductance of the bare crystal and a net increase in the baseline conductance over the temperature range 5-75 °C.

    But, very important (!!!): the baseline frequency and frequency versus temperature remain the same or change only slightly. The conductive adhesive improves the stability, precision, and reproducibility in quartz crystal microbalance measurements.

    So dr. Best can now to upgrade Ultimate LRL to quartz crystal microbalanced detection of gold only by put some gold on back spiral antenna and search for balance with gold in soil.

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  • J_Player
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    Originally posted by Rudy
    Originally posted by hung
    How naive...

    It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
    Do you loose that signal?

    Such dribble. Obviously you need to read about basic radio transmission theory. __________________

    HH Rudy,
    MXT, HeadHunter Wader


    Do or do not. There is no try.
    Yoda
    Hi Rudy,
    I kinda thought radio waves could travel through a vacuum without needing ions or electrons to propagate. I guess I was wrong.
    Who needs to learn about basic radio transmission theory? Doesn't the esteemed Dr. hung know it inside and out?
    He knows transmission principles that are over my head... that's for sure:
    Originally posted by hung
    This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned.


    Best wishes,
    J_P

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  • Rudy
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    Originally posted by hung View Post
    How naive...

    It this was so, every time wind would blow, also electrons would vanish and your favorite radio station 'would be lost' for sometime.
    Do you loose that signal?
    Such dribble. Obviously you need to read about basic radio transmission theory.

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  • Max
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    Originally posted by ivconic View Post

    Ahahahahahahahahah! Max that is funny!
    ......
    How about this secret project?!

    Hmmmm... it's stamp sized...must be good then!

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  • ivconic
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    Originally posted by Max View Post
    Here's the preview...

    as always... unfortunately... stamp-sized!

    BUT CHINESE OF ALL PLANET STAY TUNED...

    INTERESTING THINGS WILL HAPPEN SHORTLY...

    AND MAYBE COMPLETE RELEASE OF ALL

    PD SECRETS HERE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM FOR ANYONE

    for now... please...be patient....

    Kind regards,
    Max


    Ahahahahahahahahah! Max that is funny!
    ......
    How about this secret project?!

    Attached Files

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  • J_Player
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    Originally posted by Esteban
    Of course... secondary effect, and this I called "phenomenon", I think is electrical/magnetic... Here also RF is affected... this mean the "phenomenon" can be detectable via RF.

    The feet don't know, but "medition" was made with pistol. But as pistol catch the secondary effect is possible that 7.2 feet can be exceeded easily.
    Of course,
    secondary effect. This effect is derinitely not gold ions in the air. It is something different.
    The fact is nobody knows what it is. This is why we hear people call it "phenomenon". Same as when people claim strong signal with a metal detector that disappears after they dig a coin, they call it "halo". They don't know what caused it, only that they detected it.
    Maybe "phenomenon" is seen same as "halo". Both are claimed to be detected, and for both, nobody knows exactly what is detected.
    People only assume it is electric or magnetic, but not sure.
    The only test that was made with standard instruments was to check it is not ions in the air. But instruments did measure ions in the ground above buried metal.
    So we are sure there are ions below the ground

    Best wishes,
    J_P

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  • Esteban
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    Originally posted by J_Player View Post
    The answer is simple. What they detected was not ions, but a different a secondary effect from the buried metal. It is not possible for a cloud of ions to remain stationary in the air whether above something buried or not. As soon as a small breeze blows, the ions will blow away with the wind too. But Gold ions do not exist in a stationary location in the air. They exist in extremely small trace amounts that are scattered all over the air, and cannot be measured with any normal instruments. Special measuring methods must be used to find any gold in the air. And most of it is particulate, not ions. Similar to the trace amount of gold that is found in sea water. It has only been measured by special instruments because it is in such rare trace amounts.

    Now, look at the signal that LRL believers are reporting. The "phenomenon" is strong... can burn transistors. Was measured on stairs...
    Ions in the open air cannot burn transistors in a metal detector. But a strong enough electric field or magnetic field at a coil could do that. Maybe a secondary effect could cause a response to a detector at those locations, But I think not ions in the air. This is also not hard to prove. First, What proof do Damásio and Alonso have that what they were measuring is ions? Did they prove it they found a column of ions up to 7.2 feet? Or did they prove they recorded some response up to 7.2 feet? What method did they use to identify the response they recorded was caused by ions located in the air? Is it possible they simply assumed the signal was caused by the ions, but did not take an ion sample to prove it? Are you aware that scientists have already proved that the small trace of metal ions in the soil become neutralized before they reach the surface of the ground? Only Mineoro is claiming a concentration of gold ions are remaining in the air, but they have never shown proof using a standard test instrument to prove it.

    This is simple to prove... Go to the location where the strong signal is located in the air 7.2 feet above the ground and take the air sample through a drift tube to measure actual ions. This instrument will not respond to other signals that Alonso's machine sees, only ions. You will quickly find that there are no measurable gold ions or other metal ions there other than a few trace random ones that may blow by. You will see the drift tube is very accurate for finding a concentration of gold ions. You will also find it does not report anything more than small amounts of scattered trace ions which are the same in open air above the buried metal as away from it.

    This is easy to prove.. why not try?

    Best wishes,
    J_P
    Of course... secondary effect, and this I called "phenomenon", I think is electrical/magnetic... Here also RF is affected... this mean the "phenomenon" can be detectable via RF.

    The feet don't know, but "medition" was made with pistol. But as pistol catch the secondary effect is possible that 7.2 feet can be exceeded easily.

    Leave a comment:

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