Morgan and Geo's Videos

[Morgan]

The GOLD MEDALION

This is an interesting question. If 2 meters is the long range detecting distance, then it would be quicker and easier to cover this distance with a normal metal detector, considering the imprecise nature of the beeping. The claimed advantage (I think) is that the Tesoro was unable to detect the medal in the pile of stones.

Question for Morgan:
How deep was the medal buried?

I put this pile of stones over the gold medallion(buried not more than 20cm) just to protect it from eventual vandalism or other kind of atempts.
Its very rare to have gold target buried more than 20 years ago,i start the hobby with my 16 years old,the medal was not important for me,so i buried to try metal detectors.This medal was not touched and should not be NEVER diged out .
Other targets Geo was aloud to detect and dig them out.

[Morgan]

The LRL videos

Hi friends.
Nice effort, Morgan and Geo!!
Luckily done, thank you for dedicating your valuable time. it's a detection, clear without doubt at least for people has taken
PD in hand, but again as was expected some cynical skeptics think and judge as they like, this was the reason I gave up to prepare movie of PD reaction on big treasure location cos is a useless work and at last confront with such cheap sarcastic words, so dedicate time, take risk and...... to prepare movie file for what? for who? to make another road on my nerves?

As I said in past, about small objects I don't know enough, but I know on a real treasure site PD becomes crazy.of course not with shaking hands fast( as some point here that I don't see in movies), you can imagine after passing hundreds meters with silent PD abrubtly near a specific location signals appears and very close to point enters to continuous beep. The reaction that even some powerful PIs are unable and remain silent.
the distance of signal appearing depends on target size, in my PD first signals for our biggest target appears from 50-60 meters and from 20-30 meters of the edge of target it becomes crazy and for smaller targets appears from 15-20 meters and from 7-8 meters it becomes crazy.
so it's a real LRL ( you like or dislike), and a good LRL for serious treasure hunters for monitoring an vast area to gather information of location.
and after that check there by precious pinpointer (MD or GPR), cos not efficient to pinpoint very old buried and deep treasures.

Anyway, those guys who always groan and complain as I see mostly are from Europe and easy for them to go there be eyewitness of PD working why didn't answer to Morgan invitation to go there, wouldn't you fear of something?
wouldn't you fear of demonstrating something that is in opposite of your life believes?
Morgan innocent invitation of you is another reason of his honesty, of course if you believe him or not, will never harm him or influence PD efficiency.

BTW, Morgan, please e-mail me other parts of movie that are interesting of your PD detection have not been attached here. I like add them in my archive.

Hi Michael

Honestly my intention with LRL films here is not to covince people that PD realy works and is good tool for TH. My intention already was done sucessfull,one person from this forum(skeptic) try the Pistoldetektor and believe it works,for me, this time i win the batlle

Regards

[Morgan]

???

No working circuits that anyone can get working .
No proof that anyone can test
No DB testing
No
No NO
People I hope are not that stupit.
It is amost 2010 and still no working LRL that WORKS.

You can see one stone coming from Long Distance in direction to your head,but you dont believe until this stone arrives and break your head,then you BELIEVE,maybe its to late to believe...
You can be skeptic all your life,its not my problem.

[michael]

Hi Fred.

Of course the target should be identified too.

It will be identified soon, if situations in area changes to appropriate for continue digging.
a considerable target at 9 meters depth which we found by our MDL.
PD also detect there decisively.

But while the videos are interesting, they cannot be seen as a proof of what is being detected by the PD.

so this opinion is the suspect by its' own. this statement regards them under suspicion, doesn't?

[hillman]

calibrating dc 2008

hi all ,hi morgan i think that your video is very good ,and i saw when you calibrate dc2008, and i understand that i have a problem in my dc2008 it never beeps when i tern sensitivity to the right or left and it was locate the tv at 1 m but yesterday i opened the device and start looking for something , i found a little blue potenciometer in the circuit, i terned it to the left and to the right until i herd beeps and i adjust it to the max, now i can locate the tv at 3.5 m, is that good adjusting now,thanks regards hillman

[Fred]

so this opinion is the suspect by its' own. this statement regards them under suspicion, doesn't?

Not at all, and i think this is the big misunderstanding here:
Personally i believe 100% Morgan when he says he detects targets with his LRL. But i want to know how and why, and if there is the possiblity of self deception.
Because i know that one cannot fight self deception, and trick of the mind can ONLY be ruled out by "scientifical" tests .
Even if 99% o evidence is shown, i cannot accept 1% of doubt.

Regards,
Fred.

[michael]

OK Fred, no comment friend, but if you can't accept even 1% of doubt, man! you are very fastidious.

[Fred]

OK Fred, no comment friend, but if you can't accept even 1% of doubt, man! you are very fastidious.

maybe you are right,
but it is how scientifical discoveries works , Yes or no, no maybe "very probably"

[J_Player]

Lets see again the LRL film"Target near the road"

1-I get the first signals maybe 2m or more from the target(unfortunatly silverpaper). Then i return back a few steps and detection STOP,and go to front again(south direction) and detection start again,THIS MEANS NOT RANDOMIC BEEPS,I DETECT SOMETHING.

2-I continue detection of the target,i walk over the target,i left the target behind and detection STOP.

3-I return to target again,this time south to north and catct the target again,but more short distance. becouse PHENOMENON irradiate more to North,it as eliptical shape.

THIS PART OF THE FILM IS THE PURE EVIDENCE THAT PHENOMENON IS REAL,two witness saw and recorded in film,BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE

Hi Morgan, What you are saying is exactly what I said. But maybe you did not read what I said, so I write it again:
"I thought the videos were good. I could see there was more beeping when moving towards the buried targets, and not too much beeping when away from the targets. It did not look like random beeping to me, it looked like stronger response in the location of the treasures".

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97361&postcount=80

I saw all of the videos that you submitted including the one you talk about now, My conclusion was they are the best LRL videos ever shown in the Geotech forums
"While these videos won't be proof for everyone, they are still the best LRL videos I have ever seen presented in the Geotech forums."
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=83

I have agreed 100% that you made the best LRL videos I have see, and that I saw beeping at the target and not beeping when away from the target, no random beeping. I also agreed the phenomenon is real.
"...I have known it existed before I came to the Geotech forums. ... My basis for knowing about the "phenomenon" is from some scientific testing performed in locations where there are objects buried a long time, as well as above-ground protruberances that have been established for a long time..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97011&postcount=19

There is no need to try to prove to me that the pistol detector is beeping when at the target, and the phenomenon is real, because I have already written that I agree about these things.

What surprises me is you seem to be discouraging people (like myself, for example) from having an interest to make any more tests to record the exact polar distances of detection, and from taking readings of the temperature and humidity, and recording the time of day, as well as solar activity data and other data that that most people are not interested in checking. And also making tests to see how different LRLs perform in different weather conditions, and different times of the day and night, and different soil conditions, so there can be a permanent record of performances recorded.

Am I correct that you do not want anybody to ever make these kinds of tests on LRLs? Are you saying nobody should want to measure these things?
Or are you saying it is good if some people have an interest to take measurements with different conditions than we saw on the day of your testing?

Best wishes,
J_P

[peroon]

"..What surprises me is you seem to be discouraging people (like myself, for example) from having an interest to make any more tests to record the exact polar distances of detection, and from taking readings of the temperature and humidity, and recording the time of day, as well as solar activity data and other data that that most people are not interested in checking. And also making tests to see how different LRLs perform in different weather conditions, and different times of the day and night, and different soil conditions, so there can be a permanent record of performances recorded...."

You noticed too??
Most probably he finally realized that device was bogus all the time. Certain critics from this forum probably provoked him to do more detailed tests and than he realized that device is actually not working as beleived.
So now is better to close debate as soon as possible and not to disclose real facts in public.
Word "beleive" is wrong, cose we really should not tend to "beleive" or " not to beleive" here. Science and common sense should not be in any relations to beleifs at all. Facts, proofs and numerous double blind tests - all we have to tend here.

[J_Player]

"..What surprises me is you seem to be discouraging people (like myself, for example) from having an interest to make any more tests to record the exact polar distances of detection, and from taking readings of the temperature and humidity, and recording the time of day, as well as solar activity data and other data that that most people are not interested in checking. And also making tests to see how different LRLs perform in different weather conditions, and different times of the day and night, and different soil conditions, so there can be a permanent record of performances recorded...."

You noticed too??
Most probably he finally realized that device was bogus all the time. Certain critics from this forum probably provoked him to do more detailed tests and than he realized that device is actually not working as beleived.
So now is better to close debate as soon as possible and not to disclose real facts in public.
Word "beleive" is wrong, cose we really should not tend to "beleive" or " not to beleive" here. Science and common sense should not be in any relations to beleifs at all. Facts, proofs and numerous double blind tests - all we have to tend here.

Hi Peroon,

From your perception you concluded Morgan most probably realized the device was bogus. But what I see is he is sure the device is not bogus, and is working well. I think that in some conditions he finds better performance than we see in his videos, and other times not as good. Of course, what I think, or you think, or what anyone else will think about the videos will depend on each person's opinions, experience and perceptive abilities. We are not all the same in this regard.

I have not seen Morgan's answer to my question yet. And I think he knows his answer better than I or you or anyone else could speculate. But I have been forming a general opinion about the videos that were shown here. From what I have read in this forum, the purpose of these videos is to show proof that the "phenomenon exists" by demonstrating a number of LRLs to make a target signal in a location where we know there is gold buried for 20 years. The idea of the videos was to prove there is a "phenomenon" and the Alonso pistol can detect it. The videos were intended to be indisputable proof to anyone who sees them.

But we see that not everyone who watches these videos thinks they are proof that the "phenomenon" exists, or that the Alonso pistol can detect anything related to the "phenomenon". This causes much disappointment for the people who were in support of the videos, and gives rise to some heated debates. To make it worse, English is not the first language of many forum readers, and some are misunderstanding some of the opinions that are presented. In some cases I see where people read words and then infer some new meanings from posts that were not intended by the people who made the posts... another mechanism of confusion. But putting the misinterpretations aside, the basic disagreement seems to be that there are two strong opinions that most people have:

1. The Detectoman opinion that these videos are absolute proof that LRLs work and the phenomenon is real. Anyone who sees these videos must be convinced, or they are simply lying to themselves.

2. The more technical opinion that we saw only videos of people moving some detectors that beeped near certain areas. But what does it mean? what about some more tests to prove there wasn't some tricks or illusions? Maybe even the testing people were fooled by something that doesn't work. Or maybe something different than "phenomenon detection" caused the beeping that we did not see on the videos?

A lot of my opinion is based on knowing the character of Morgan and Geo. I cannot believe they would make fake or biased tests to prove their point. So can they be deceived by what they observed? I doubt that also, because Morgan has tested this detector many more times and reported similar results. But then my opinion is not the final truth either. I could also be wrong. It is theoretically possible that maybe there is some illusion causing the apparent detection. I don't believe it, but could be. This is why I think it is a good idea for me to make extra testing and record some more measurements, just to get some extra insurance that I'm not wrong about my opinions.

And I think it is even better if others will make their own testing to check for things I will not think to look for. If I am correct, and these detectors are working, then they will have no problem standing up to rigorous testing to show they do what is claimed. I think any tests I perform will confirm they are working as claimed. So why shouldn't we be making any further testing?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

The LR stone

No working circuits that anyone can get working .
No proof that anyone can test
No DB testing
No
No NO
People I hope are not that stupit.
It is amost 2010 and still no working LRL that WORKS.

This thing about LR stone its not to ofend.
Unfortunatly your claims about one working LRL are very dificult to realize,we have the LRL schematic but only Alonso or Esteban as the skill to tune this device 100%

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

There is little point in discussing whether Morgan and/or Geo faked the videos, as it is fairly obvious that this did not happen. I think everyone should assume that the videos are showing events as they happened and take the discussion from there. If anyone was going to post a video with tricks designed to fool viewers that the LRLs were actually working, when they were not, then the beeping would be more consistent, and therefore more convincing.

Personally I think they are genuine.

[Fred]

This thing about LR stone its not to ofend.
Unfortunatly your claims about one working LRL are very dificult to realize,we have the LRL schematic but only Alonso or Esteban as the skill to tune this device 100%

Regards

Maybe 100% is not necessary, you PD was working reasonably well i think.
Now i would like to make a new ferrite coil for my PD, at the end can you tell me how many turns i need ?
Thanks
Fred.

[WM6]

If anyone was going to post a video with tricks designed to fool viewers that the LRLs were actually working, when they were not, then the beeping would be more consistent, and therefore more convincing.

You believe in this or you are only polite?

Why they need those pile of stones?

Ask amateur radio "fox finders".

"Fox transmitter" cannot be hidden in soil (cause not working), cannot be hanging on the bush (because it can be seen on TV), but pile of stones this is ever ideal location for LRL Fox transmitter. See videos again and enjoy this trick. Very clever but also unrepeatable in controlled circumstances. One need only strut pile of stones and End of LRL magic happens .

Why they need ferrite antenna in LRL?

To detect ions or secret gold radiation? No, for such things ferrite antennas are not suitable at all, but for directive receiving radio wave ferrite antenna is the real thing. Known and verified many times.

Pure trick nothing else. I am not discuss about intention, or who is here The Godfather. Intention are not known to me, maybe funny prank only. But final effect are very clear - one more mineoro promotion.