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  • Test for Dowsing Involvement

    Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

    Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.

    The Wallet-Miner's Creed
    Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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    • This is funny i have bougt exactly the same calculator a few days ago in a chinese store, (except that it is not witten "scientific calculator" on it).The price was 4.50€
      The calculator is very accurate...

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      • Originally posted by Theseus
        Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

        Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.
        Hi Theseus,
        I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

        I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

        I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

        I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

        Best wishes,
        J_P

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        • Originally posted by J_Player View Post
          Hi Theseus,
          I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

          I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

          I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

          I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

          Best wishes,
          J_P

          If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

          To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.

          The Wallet-Miner's Creed
          Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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          • Originally posted by Theseus
            If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

            To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.
            Hmmm...
            That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

            Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

            Best wishes,
            J_P

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            • Originally posted by J_Player View Post
              Hmmm...

              Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

              J_P
              J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.
              Global capital is ruining your life?
              You have right to self-defence!

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              • Originally posted by J_Player View Post
                Hmmm...
                That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

                Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

                Best wishes,
                J_P
                Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!

                The Wallet-Miner's Creed
                Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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                • Originally posted by WM6
                  J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.
                  I have a Casio fx-300ES which seems to have all the same keys plus a solar power panel. This calculator has been certified to produce very accurate calculations in North America. When it was manufactured in China, the parent company from Tokyo apparently had the foresight to install brighter coloured keys and an English instruction manual. I am not sure the electronics inside are identical to the calculator on the Examiner, but I am guessing they are. After all, math works the same in most languages as far as I know.

                  But I will never know for sure, because the Casio fx-300ES won't fit in the holster for the calculator on the Examiner.

                  Best wishes,
                  J_P
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                  • Originally posted by Theseus
                    Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!
                    Hi Theseus,
                    Your objective should not be hard to accomplish. The problem with clamps and vices is they cause a short circuit to ground from the handle, thus bypassing the circuit through the body of the user. It shouldn't be too hard to rig up an insulated non-metallic bracket that the user can brace his hand against so it cannot move. Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

                    Best wishes,
                    J_P

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                    • Originally posted by J_Player View Post
                      Hi Theseus,
                      .... Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

                      Best wishes,
                      J_P
                      ..... as usual, or as advertised and expected?

                      The Wallet-Miner's Creed
                      Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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                      • Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.

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                        • Originally posted by Mike(Mont) View Post
                          Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.
                          ...recovering skeptic...???? What on this green earth would you be skeptical about?

                          Judging from your input here, it appears you constantly jump from one obscure pseudo-scientific contraption or theory to the next; depending on which occult library book you've just browsed.

                          If Christopher Hills were alive today, I'm sure he'd be most appreciative of all your support and backing. However, in his absence, no doubt his heirs, who run the business and publish the esoteric musings for people like yourself, are grinning all the way to the bank (with your contributions).

                          The Wallet-Miner's Creed
                          Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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                          • Originally posted by Mike(Mont) View Post
                            Being the recovering skeptic that I am,
                            Nice Mike, which software do you use to recover?
                            Global capital is ruining your life?
                            You have right to self-defence!

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                            • Originally posted by Mike(Mont)
                              Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.
                              Hi Mike(Mont),
                              The examiner was not shipped to Iowa. I am in the Los Angeles area, not Iowa. There is no word on the Examiner bcause I have not done any testing on it yet. It has been raining here on and off for the past week, and I can't do any real field testing until the rainy spell stops. The first thing I will be doing is a calibration of the tester to make sure it is functioning properly. I know it will need some fine tuning because of the intermittent operation I observed so far. So far the fine tuning has been difficult. After I am sure it is calibrated to me or whoever else is using it, then the field testing will begin. While the Rangertell instructions don't mention anything about the weather, I suspect it will be easier to get a good adjustment when the air is dry and the ground is not muddy.

                              At present, I am preparing a web page to keep tract of progress, which will be made public when I am ready to start the first of the field tests. I will make another update after the ground is no longer muddy and no rain in the forecast.

                              I am also looking for any people in the Los Angeles area who are interested in helping with the testing of the Rangertell Examiner. If anyone would like to try it out or help conduct some tests, send me a PM so we can make arrangements.

                              Best wishes,
                              J_P

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                              • Originally posted by J_Player View Post
                                Hi Mike(Mont),
                                The examiner was not shipped to Iowa. I am in the Los Angeles area, not Iowa. There is no word on the Examiner bcause I have not done any testing on it yet. It has been raining here on and off for the past week, and I can't do any real field testing until the rainy spell stops. The first thing I will be doing is a calibration of the tester to make sure it is functioning properly. I know it will need some fine tuning because of the intermittent operation I observed so far. So far the fine tuning has been difficult. After I am sure it is calibrated to me or whoever else is using it, then the field testing will begin. While the Rangertell instructions don't mention anything about the weather, I suspect it will be easier to get a good adjustment when the air is dry and the ground is not muddy.

                                At present, I am preparing a web page to keep tract of progress, which will be made public when I am ready to start the first of the field tests. I will make another update after the ground is no longer muddy and no rain in the forecast.

                                I am also looking for any people in the Los Angeles area who are interested in helping with the testing of the Rangertell Examiner. If anyone would like to try it out or help conduct some tests, send me a PM so we can make arrangements.

                                Best wishes,
                                J_P
                                Too bad Mike couldn't come down to your area. That way he could get some of the results firsthand, and he wouldn't have to speculate and skepticize(*) how the testing is being conducted, and in what State of the Union.

                                * skepticize is a word I made up

                                I'm still wondering why Mike thought the unit would be shipped to Iowa; wasn't the Deliver To Address clear?

                                The Wallet-Miner's Creed
                                Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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