rangertell examiner field trials

[J_Player]

Too bad Mike couldn't come down to your area. That way he could get some of the results firsthand, and he wouldn't have to speculate and skepticize(*) how the testing is being conducted, and in what State of the Union.

* skepticize is a word I made up

I'm still wondering why Mike thought the unit would be shipped to Iowa; wasn't the Deliver To Address clear?

Hi Theseus,
Mike(Mont) can come here if he wants. Simply send me a PM so I can make arrangements to take the Examiner in the field for all the testing he wants to do. I would suggest he or anyone else who wants to try it out waits a bit until the mud dries.

"Skepticize" sounds like a good word. Kind of like "debunker", but not as funny-sounding. You are correct - if Mike(Mont) comes to try out the Examiner for himself he will have no cause to skepticize because he will have a chance to perform any testing he wants to his own standards. I actually think we would see different test results from Mike(Mont) than from other users who test the Rangertell Examiner.

But even if he does not come to personally test the Examiner, I doubt we will hear much skepticization, considering he does breathing exercises to make his mind still, as a recovering skeptic. I suspect he has already curbed the temptation for skepticization many times by meditating instead of posting.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

treasure

i'll send you over my wheelbarrow J>P so you can wheel the "Treasure" past the aerial and get a fix. sorry i can't come over personally to carry all the loot around for you. You are doing a good service here to publish results once and for all but it sounds like you have to follow the manufacturers guidelines to achieve a result. Such as poke the found treaure under the nose of the rangertell so it can find it again. i wasted 300 hours on field tests and came to the conclusion i had been massively duped into buying a cheap calculator and aerial that can only find things after they were already found and even then i could switch the thing on and off with my mind...so it is all about muscle activity and nothing to do with the ability of the device to find anything at all. Final!!!! best of luck.

[hipopp]

more treasure

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

[Qiaozhi]

i'll send you over my wheelbarrow J>P so you can wheel the "Treasure" past the aerial and get a fix. sorry i can't come over personally to carry all the loot around for you. You are doing a good service here to publish results once and for all but it sounds like you have to follow the manufacturers guidelines to achieve a result. Such as poke the found treaure under the nose of the rangertell so it can find it again. i wasted 300 hours on field tests and came to the conclusion i had been massively duped into buying a cheap calculator and aerial that can only find things after they were already found and even then i could switch the thing on and off with my mind...so it is all about muscle activity and nothing to do with the ability of the device to find anything at all. Final!!!! best of luck.

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

There must be many more people who were also duped by this useless contraption, but they are just too embarrassed to admit it.

Thanks hippop for having the courage to pass on your firsthand experience.

Now we just need to wait for RangerTell, Hung, Dell, etc., to tell you that you either have a faulty unit (seems to be a lot of these around) , you're left-handed, not concentrating / meditating / breathing properly, there is interference from micro-gold, or a multitude of other excuses.

[Theseus]

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

It is truly unfortunate that you actually had to invest your cash in the Examiner to learn that it was nothing but an ideomotor-driven hoax. However, your honest reporting is admirable and "may" even help others who might've been duped by the advertising and false claims (real or implied). I say may, because even though the truth about these scams has been published many times over; there will still be a few that will not get the message or will not believe the truth.

Those poor souls will learn the hard way that all the Ranger-Tell, Dell Winders, Tim Williams, Mike Healey, Bob Fitzgerald, Russ Simmons, Fred Stewart and others pushing similar scams - are cashing in on the natural greed and technically misinformed. This targeted market are generally the more "gullible" and technically-challenged, and/or have more money than smarts and don't care if they throw away their cash. They may be small in number, but it only takes a very few sales at between $500 and $5000 a sale, to keep an LRL scam artist in business.

Bottom line is; these LRL contraptions only find treasure once - when the sucker hands his cash over to the scam artist salesman. After that, the sucker may as well use a bent coat hanger, or random digging; they'll find just as much treasure.

[Fred]

After that, the sucker may as well use a bent coat hanger, or random digging; they'll find just as much treasure.

Actually the coat hanger has the advantage over random digging in that it helps the user´s subconscious to point over a "probable" target location.
Thus the persistence of LRL´s and dowsing business.
IMHO

[Theseus]

Actually the coat hanger has the advantage over random digging in that it helps the user´s subconscious to point over a "probable" target location.
Thus the persistence of LRL´s and dowsing business.
IMHO

I don't have any actual statistics, but probably there's been about as much treasure found by accident as with a dowsing contraption. Seems like there is always the odd article about somebody digging in their garden and coming up with a little fruit jar cache, secreted by a previous owner.

[Carl-NC]

Actually the coat hanger has the advantage over random digging in that it helps the user´s subconscious to point over a "probable" target location.
Thus the persistence of LRL´s and dowsing business.
IMHO

I agree, and I've long said that dowsing rods are nothing but an "intuition indicator."

[Mike(Mont)]

In case you don't know, I own an old model Examiner. I have found gold with it. One time in a city park I found a gold stick pin from about 75 yards had it dug up in about five minutes. The pinpoint was off about 15 inches. Other times I have dug junk metals. I did some modifications, removed the handle, just use the bare metal rod squeezed between my finger tips to feel the torque. It's sensitive. You want to watch out if you adjust the variable cap screw. You don't want to turn it more than about one-third turn. I haven't used it in the field for several years.

[Qiaozhi]

In case you don't know, I own an old model Examiner. I have found gold with it. One time in a city park I found a gold stick pin from about 75 yards had it dug up in about five minutes. The pinpoint was off about 15 inches. Other times I have dug junk metals. I did some modifications, removed the handle, just use the bare metal rod squeezed between my finger tips to feel the torque. It's sensitive. You want to watch out if you adjust the variable cap screw. You don't want to turn it more than about one-third turn. I haven't used it in the field for several years.

Now we just need to wait for RangerTell, Hung, Dell, .....

..... and (of course) Mike Mont .....

..... etc., to tell you that you either have a faulty unit (seems to be a lot of these around) , you're left-handed, not concentrating / meditating / breathing properly, there is interference from micro-gold, or a multitude of other excuses.

In other words - the usual purveyors of useless LRL / dowsing equipment ... and their customer.

[Theseus]

Brainwashed?

You want to watch out if you adjust the variable cap screw. You don't want to turn it more than about one-third turn. I haven't used it in the field for several years.

Why? What will happen if you adjust the cap screw, say a whole turn?

Gullible, technically-challenged and apparently brainwashed as well.

Mike, do you have any idea what you sound like?

[Mike(Mont)]

My Examiner looks different than the one Carl has. It's not that you will damage the unit if you turn the cap too much, but you risk "losing your place" and anything much more that a third of a turn is going to give you near zero value anyway--at least on the one I have. Of course this won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place, but it's not a good feeling when you forget which way you turned it.

[Theseus]

My Examiner looks different than the one Carl has. It's not that you will damage the unit if you turn the cap too much, but you risk "losing your place" and anything much more that a third of a turn is going to give you near zero value anyway--at least on the one I have. Of course this won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place, but it's not a good feeling when you forget which way you turned it.

"...give you near zero value..." ???

It's a little hard to understand how an ideomotor-driven device can have any value at all, zero or not.

Hopefully, J_Player understands what you are referring to, and it will be beneficial information for him.

[Theseus]

My Examiner looks different than the one Carl has. It's not that you will damage the unit if you turn the cap too much, but you risk "losing your place" and anything much more that a third of a turn is going to give you near zero value anyway--at least on the one I have. Of course this won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place, but it's not a good feeling when you forget which way you turned it.

"...won't matter if you can't use the locator in the first place..." ???

That's interesting; I was under the impression that the locator functioned and worked regardless of who the operator was, or what their mindset was because it worked completely as a function of the internal circuitry and the keycodes plugged into the calculator.

Mike, you make it sound like it is akin to an ordinary dowsing rod, which is driven by and influenced by the operator's mind (conscious and subconscious).

Again, I'm sure J_Player will eventually get to the bottom of this matter.

[J_Player]

"...give you near zero value..." ???

It's a little hard to understand how an ideomotor-driven device can have any value at all, zero or not.

Hopefully, J_Player understands what you are referring to, and it will be beneficial information for him.

Hi Theseus,
I understand what Mike(Mont) is saying. The rep from the factory warned in an email not to use the setscrew on bottom except as a last resort. He said if I turn it more than a hair at a time, I may lose my place and not be able to restore the setting that I had originally. This is part of the reason why I expect it will take some time to make an adjustment. Before making any adjustments on this setscrew, I will first need to try several different "gold frequency" calculator values while trying all the settings I can make on the top dial. Then if that doesn't work, I can make some very tiny adjustments on the bottom setscrew and repeat the adjustments with the top dial and different "gold calculator values".

The rain here has stopped. I expect I will be able to make these adjustments outdoors in a couple of days when the mud dries. While I have been waiting, I did open the calculator to see the back where the batteries are changed. It is definitely not the same as my Casio fx-300ES. The circuit board is different, and it has a 2-cell supply that supplies 3 VDC to the processor, where my Casio has only one cell and a solar panel that supply 1.5 VDC to the processor. Just looking at the backs of these two calculators, I can see there are a few extra components on my Casio which probably have to do with the lower voltage supply. My Casio also has more conductors running toward the display than the one sent with the Examiner. The Casio can display up to 15 digits in the top line, while the other only displays 12. I am thinking the two calculators probably don't use the same processor, but they both seem to provide the same functions at the display while showing fewer of the digits.

What does it all mean?
To start with, different processors use different routines to drive dedicated displays that are different sizes. This means the pulse train that occurs in each of these calculators will not be the same, even though the numbers displayed have the same mathematical value. If we consider the Examiner uses the signals that are derived from the pulse trains inside the calculator, then there are two significant differences:

1. The pulse trains are different. Thus, any signal that is inductively coupled to the Examiner will be small a small pulse that can be detected inductively when a calculator clock edge rises or falls. The Casio cannot have the same pulse train regardless what number or function is entered, because part of it's routine is to drive three more digits than the other calculator.

2. The Casio is running at 1/2 the voltage as the other calculator. This means any Casio clock edges have less voltage to send out a signal that can be inductively detected. Picking up an induced signal from clock edges depends on the rise or fall time of the pulses inside the calculator, as well as the amount of current, (which is driven by the voltage). In essence, you pick up induced clock noise strongest when there is a fast movement of current through a conductor that momentarily moves to discharge a from a stored location. And this generally happens strongest and fastest when the voltage is higher. If this is the usual Cmos technology used in low-voltage calculators, the two-cell calculator will have significantly faster clock edges which should produce clock noise that can be detected inductively at a farther distance.