rangertell examiner field trials

[J_Player]

Seems we are getting two different versions of this story. The way J_Player states, I hardly think a child could work through the setup procedure, and probably a lot of ordinary users, either.

From what I read, when it is functioning properly, a child can use it. When it is not functioning properly, then you may need to make a number of adjustments to get it to function properly. One of those adjustments is the temperamental setscrew. It only sounds like two different versions of the story if you have not read the instruction manual that tells you the whole story that the manufacturer publishes when he sends a unit.

I presume the majority of these units do not need to have the setscrew adjusted. But I really don't know.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Boldgold]

This is surreal, are some of you people for real. Close this case once and for all. Finding gold and silver from a distance with, and ALL long range locators are 100% scams with scam machines, put out by scam artists, designed to scam people to separate them from their money. SCAM, Suckers Come Away Mystified. Don't be mystified by the junk science!

Imaging radar for deep objects directly below or a Magnetometer(magnetic surveys) to find iron anomalities done from an airplane done by large mining companies does work. But there is NO electronic instrument that finds gold and silver off in the far off horizontal distance in the horizon 25, 100, or 1000 meters(yards) off, I can assure you! If you have a personal gift from God, you do not need an expensive electronic unit. Bent clothes hanger wires and/or map dowsing would then work, and can be made for under $5 or so.

[J_Player]

This is surreal, are some of you people for real. Close this case once and for all. Finding gold and silver from a distance with, and ALL long range locators are 100% scams with scam machines, put out by scam artists, designed to scam people to separate them from their money. SCAM, Suckers Come Away Mystified. Don't be mystified by the junk science!

Imaging radar for deep objects directly below or a Magnetometer(magnetic surveys) to find iron anomalities done from an airplane done by large mining companies does work. But there is NO electronic instrument that finds gold and silver off in the far off horizontal distance in the horizon 25, 100, or 1000 meters(yards) off, I can assure you! If you have a personal gift from God, you do not need an expensive electronic unit. Bent clothes hanger wires and/or map dowsing would then work, and can be made for under $5 or so.

Hi Boldgol,

You might be right about that. This is what I though also. And so far, I have never seen any real live evidence of any handheld instrument finding buried treasure off at a distance on the horizon.

Yet we have people here that claim they have done it. So I am taking the advice of Carl-NC who runs this forum. He says we should not take his word or for it, or the word of people who make these claims. We should try it out and see for ourselves. And that is what I am doing. If it works, then I will see it work in my own hands. And if it doesn't work I will see it doesn't work. I will have a chance to test it any way I want to arrive at a final conclusion. I can't think of a better way than that to find out if those claims are true or not.

But that's not all. I will also be inviting anyone else to come try it out and see for themselves too. And I will make photos and videos to show what I see it doing or not doing. So if you want people to believe like you do, send me a PM to come try it out yourself so I can post a video to show everybody exactly what kind of performance you see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

This is surreal, are some of you people for real. Close this case once and for all. Finding gold and silver from a distance with, and ALL long range locators are 100% scams with scam machines, put out by scam artists, designed to scam people to separate them from their money. SCAM, Suckers Come Away Mystified. Don't be mystified by the junk science!

Imaging radar for deep objects directly below or a Magnetometer(magnetic surveys) to find iron anomalities done from an airplane done by large mining companies does work. But there is NO electronic instrument that finds gold and silver off in the far off horizontal distance in the horizon 25, 100, or 1000 meters(yards) off, I can assure you! If you have a personal gift from God, you do not need an expensive electronic unit. Bent clothes hanger wires and/or map dowsing would then work, and can be made for under $5 or so.

You are preaching to the choir.

[WM6]

We should try it out and see for ourselves. And that is what I am doing. If it works, then I will see it work in my own hands. And if it doesn't work I will see it doesn't work. I will have a chance to test it any way I want to arrive at a final conclusion. I can't think of a better way than that to find out if those claims are true or not.

J_P

J_P this so called dowsing "phenomenon" was explained by science 100 years ago, as was explained that the Earth is round and not flat.

You can still find people who argue that Earth is flat. So, should you flew to the moon to personally make you sure what is true?

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html

[Esteban]

I see the xtal. and the diode in the Rangertell. The use of silicon diode is wrong here. Must be used high quality low drift germanium diode or even a germanium transistor as diode. Also the Xtal. freq. MAYBE is wrong, 4.43. In the 2000 I work with different xtals. in antenna FOR ELECTRONIC LRL PISTOL. Yes, this frequency (4.43) detect the gold (OBJECT PLATTED BY GOLD), but with interruptions. Of course, I have buried gold in my patio, no pure gold, clock platted by gold BURIED MANY YEARS. But found other object, a small platted gold chain by Rommanel, bijouterie, only platted by gold jewel, not pure.

[WM6]

Of course, I have buried gold in my patio, no pure gold, clock platted by gold BURIED MANY YEARS. But found other object, a small platted gold chain by Rommanel, bijouterie, only platted by gold jewel, not pure.

The Bible says: those who search for, find it.

But I agree with you about rectifier silicon diode. It is about basic RF knowledge. With such design RT can detect only power line hum (which was measured on Dell pictures). On other hand for scamming people even defective diode is a good diode.

Interruptions you detect, have nothing to do with gold, as with xtal too. Natural gold resonate at 173o MHz (173 mm wavelength) here you can find explanation why only gold plated.

[Jim]

Yet we have people here that claim they have done it. So I am taking the advice of Carl-NC who runs this forum. He says we should not take his word or for it, or the word of people who make these claims. We should try it out and see for ourselves. And that is what I am doing. If it works, then I will see it work in my own hands. And if it doesn't work I will see it doesn't work. I will have a chance to test it any way I want to arrive at a final conclusion. I can't think of a better way than that to find out if those claims are true or not.

But, are you going to be allowed to post your results online? Has the manufacturer lifted restrictions on what you are allowed, or not allowed to report? This is where it gets confusing

[Boldgold]

Hi Boldgol,

You might be right about that. This is what I though also. And so far, I have never seen any real live evidence of any handheld instrument finding buried treasure off at a distance on the horizon.

Yet we have people here that claim they have done it. So I am taking the advice of Carl-NC who runs this forum. He says we should not take his word or for it, or the word of people who make these claims. We should try it out and see for ourselves. And that is what I am doing. If it works, then I will see it work in my own hands. And if it doesn't work I will see it doesn't work. I will have a chance to test it any way I want to arrive at a final conclusion. I can't think of a better way than that to find out if those claims are true or not.

But that's not all. I will also be inviting anyone else to come try it out and see for themselves too. And I will make photos and videos to show what I see it doing or not doing. So if you want people to believe like you do, send me a PM to come try it out yourself so I can post a video to show everybody exactly what kind of performance you see.

Best wishes,
J_P

Thanks JP, I understand what you are saying. The best way is try it out for yourself-ourself is always the best, yes this is true. Thanks for the offer to come and try it out then report what I see. I would meet with you if I was close to you. But I am a long way off from you and I am not in the USA. Go ahead and try it out since you alread have it and let us know. But I can not 99%, but can instead 100% assure you that expensive electronic machines will not pick up gold and silver on the distant horizon, horizontally 25, 100, 1000 (meters)yards out.

WM6 and JP, people claim they have done it you said. I never said that finding gold and silver in the distant horizon or under the hands-feet was not possible, but it is the operator doing it, that can be done with about $5 or so worth of homemade equipment that does it, not a high priced scam instrument itself doing it that rips off people to put it honestly and bluntly. What does it is the operator him or herself doing it from the gift they have from God. Do you think all the old-time miners in all the gold rushes had electronic equipment. Yes they were first on the site-virgin ground, and yes they were the same people as us, but they had a sense in finding gold activated by being down and out, down to their last straw, when this sense works the best.

If you buy either an expensive electronic or non-electronic dowsing machine(loaded with false resistors and the like), you can also make one at home for a fraction of the cost. Amazingly my dad does find things with 'bent wires' that cost under $5. (Either bent metal wires, or wood at 90 degree shaped and glued at the ends being smaller round wooden dowels can be put directly in the hands, or inside bigger sized 2x-pieces of about 6" long & about 1" diameter round wooden or metal dowels with the middle drilled out a little bigger than the wire or smaller wood dowel to be inserted inside them.) Some people use no metal but instead an ALL wood dowser like a forked shaped willow. This is all of no use to you if you do not have the gift with this skill. Not everyone has this gift and MOST people cannot even do it. It is the persons sense working through the instument, and NOT only a long range instrument doing it for you like a metal detector. Rather it's the person instead. As these high priced long range instruments are totally worthless in themselves and taking buyers for a financial rip-off ride.

Somebody wrote this and is very true in most cases:

Be careful when you purchase any treasure hunting unit.
It's best to talk to people that have had success with the unit you are interested in.
ONLY TO THE OWNERS.
Not just one person, at lease 5.
Tim Williams

[J_Player]

Thanks JP, I understand what you are saying. The best way is try it out for yourself-ourself is always the best, yes this is true. Thanks for the offer to come and try it out then report what I see. I would meet with you if I was close to you. But I am a long way off from you and I am not in the USA. Go ahead and try it out since you alread have it and let us know. But I can not 99%, but instead 100% assure you that these expensive electronic machines will not pick up gold and silver on the distant horizon, horizontally 25, 100, 1000 (meters)yards out.

WM6 and JP, I never said that finding gold and silver in the distant horizon or under the hands-feet was not possible, but it is the operator doing it with about $5 or so worth of homemade equipment that does it, not a high priced scam instrument that rips off people to put it honestly and bluntly. What does it is the operator him or herself doing it from the gift they have from God. Do you think all the old-time miners in all the gold rushes had electronic equipment. Yes they were first on the site-virgin ground, and yes they were the same people as us, but they had a sense in finding gold activated by being down and out, down to their last straw, when this sense works the best.

If you buy an either an expensive electronic or non-electronic dowsing machine(loaded with false resistors and the like), you can also make one at home for a fraction of the cost. Amazingly my dad does find things with 'bent wires' that cost under $5. (Either bent wires, or 90 degree shaped, glued at the ends, smaller round wood dowels can be put directly in the hands, or in 2x-pieces of about 6" long & about 1" diameter round wooden or metal dowels with the middle drilled out a little bigger than the wire.) Some people use no metal but am ALL wooden dowsing like a forked shaped willow. Not everyone has this gift and MOST people cannot do it. It is ONLY the persons sense, and NOT an instrument doing it for you. As these high priced instruments are totally worthless in themselves and taking buyers for a financial rip-off ride.

Somebody wrote this and is very true in most cases:

Be careful when you purchase any treasure hunting unit.
It's best to talk to people that have had success with the unit you are interested in.
ONLY TO THE OWNERS.
Not just one person, at lease 5.
Tim Williams

Hi Boldgold,
It sounds like you are talking about dowsing when you say it is possible for some people to locate buried things at some distance in the horizon using homemade equipment. And your point is that by using an electronic apparatus to hold as a dowsing rod, you are adding nothing to this dowsing effect. This suggests an interesting test that I could perform using the Examiner. If a dowser were to show how he can locate a target item using simple dowsing rods, then we can see what difference we find when he tries with the Examiner. There are a number of ways to set up tests that would show us if there is any difference.

From what I have read so far, it appears the Examiner is said to follow the same "signal lines" that dowsers claim they are locating, but with the added advantage that it is able to accurately tune to a single target material, much like a radio receiver tunes to a single station instead of receiving all radio stations at the same time. The theory is it amplifies the single "signal line" from the target you set it to find which makes it easy for people who have difficulty with dowsing to locate targets.

You can see this is not too hard to test, and find out if a dowser says he finds it any easier when using the LRL instead of simple dowsing rods. And there are many other ways to make more scientific tests as well.

And you are aware there are many people who post in this forum say who the electronic LRLs don't work, and neither does dowsing. This test may be hard to conduct if nobody can demonstrate that they are able to locate targets by dowsing with simple dowsing methods. (By demonstrate they can locate targets, I mean to demonstrate they can identify the location of a target that we recover to see that it is really there. Not a target that they say is buried a hundred feet down that we will never take out of the ground to see the item they found).

In any case I won't begin the testing just yet until I feel confident the Examiner is functioning correctly, which will require some time-consuming adljustments. But when I start the public test program, all are invited to come try it out and see for yourself what it can do for you to locate treasure. If you know someone in the Southern California area that would like to try it or simply watch, have them send a PM.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

And your point is that by using an electronic apparatus to hold as a dowsing rod, you are adding nothing to this dowsing effect. This suggests an interesting test that I could perform using the Examiner.

J_P

Hi J_P

Can we expect that you will soon come to a test flight with a broom?



So low, neither Esteban has slipped. At least Esteban is trying to use some solutions and discoveries in the field of electronics in order to manufacture super-sensitive devices for detecting treasures. He is not a medieval dowser.

[J_Player]

Hi J_P

Can we expect that you will soon come to a test flight with a broom?



So low, neither Esteban has slipped. At least Esteban is trying to use some solutions and discoveries in the field of electronics in order to manufacture super-sensitive devices for detecting treasures. He is not a medieval dowser.

Hi WM6,

I have no interest in testing a broom.
But if someone wants to fly in on a broom, I can make a video of them demonstrating their flying broom to post on youtube.
Tell any broom-flyers to send a PM if they want to have videos made.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

But, are you going to be allowed to post your results online? Has the manufacturer lifted restrictions on what you are allowed, or not allowed to report? This is where it gets confusing

Hi Jim,
I thought I already made a lengthy explanation of what I agreed to. I will repeat myself only one more time. This will be a super-long post so you can bookmark it to come back and use it for reference any time you forget what my answer is. I will not be repeating the same answers to your questions again:

I agreed to make sure the Examiner I have is functioning correctly before I release public test results. I consider this to be a reasonable request from any manufacturer of equipment who sends out a sample to be tested. In addition to what I agreed to with the manufacturer, I decided I do not want to waste time testing a defective piece of equipment. So I also have an interest in making sure this Examiner is working the same as any other Examiner that is sent out and reported to be working correctly. Once I feel confident I have a properly working Examiner, then I will make my website address public so the public testing can begin. At that time you will be able to read my preliminary test results along with tests that may be performed afterwards without any restrictions from the manufacturer or anyone else.

I made a few preliminary tests before I even took out a camera, and found I did not see the response I expected based on the instructions. I did get some intermittent response. When I checked with the manufacturer, I was told that I cannot rely on tests that are made on raised floors, because the Examiner depends on the user standing on solid ground in order for it to work. I made some other preliminary tests only to determine if it was functioning correctly. These were not scientific tests. But I did take photos of what I saw when others also tried it. We still found intermittent results in the non-scientific outdoor tests away from electrical interference. After spending a lot of time tweaking and adjusting different things in several sessions which were not recorded, it appears that the best we found so far is intermittent success observing the antenna point to the target. This leads me to believe the Examiner is damaged or is in need of an adjustment before it can be deemed to be functioning properly.

The adjustment procedure is going to require that we make some tweaks to a small trimmer cap that is said to be very difficult to set to the exact position for good performance. I was told that it must be moved by a "hair at a time" until I find the setting that works, and to be careful once I find that setting because if I lose it, I may not be able to easily find it again. For each "hair movement", I will also need to adjust the sensitivity and antenna position after entering some specific sequences of calculator buttons. Then walk past a target placed on the ground and make observations of what I see happening with the antenna.

This procedure must be repeated each time the trimmer cap is moved another "hair movement". You can imagine it takes some time to do all this, and my free time is limited, so it will not happen as quickly as some people may hope.

During this tweaking process to find the best position of the trimmer cap, I will not be making videos for everyone to see what happens after each "hair movement" of the trimmer cap. I really don't have time for that. And these are not actual tests of the Examiner, they are an adjustment procedure that shows nothing of scientific significance to prove anything about the Examiner. However I have nothing to hide about the procedure or what results any settings of the trimmer cap will result in or not result in. If you consider it important to document the process of making adjustments to the trimmer cap to see where the best response is, then I am inviting you to come and run the video camera while we try to tune it for good performance. This may take awhile, but if you get bored holding the camera, I will let you make the "hair movement" adjustments while I hold the camera. You can submit all the videos you get to youtube and make any comments to go along with them you like. But I will not be posting videos of this procedure on my web page.

I did take some photos at a preliminary test that showed only intermittent performance. My electronic journal accounts of the preliminary tests will be fully disclosed whether they show success or failure, and whether they are known to be made on a non-functioning Examiner or a functioning Examiner. I will not remove any data from test sessions that have been entered into my electonic journal. But I will make it known that they are preliminary tests which are non-scientific tests made only for the purpose of determining if the Examiner is functioning correctly. And I will make it known what we find out about the whether the Examiner is functioning correctly at the time of the preliminary tests.

After the preliminary testing and adjustments are done to find the best settings we can find for the Examiner, a determination will be made to decide whether this Examiner is functioning as it is supposed to function, or if it needs to be returned for a replacement. When the time comes that we know we have an Examiner in hand that functions correctly, then I will make the web address of my website public for anyone to see, and the public test program will begin. When I make my website address public, you will see the electronic journal reports I made along with any non-scientific data that was noted during these preliminary tests. There are no preliminary tests that will be deleted from the journal. But you may want to pay more close attention to the public testing that follows. This is where the real tests will be done by others who may be LRL enthusiasts as well as skeptics, or even dowsers.


If your urgency for me to show all the test data is so you can post content from my website on TNet like you did from Geotech, you can forget it. I won't tolerate people hot-linking or stealing content from any of my websites without going through me first. Not you and not TNet.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

The adjustment procedure is going to require that we make some tweaks to a small trimmer cap that is said to be very difficult to set to the exact position for good performance. I was told that it must be moved by a "hair at a time" until I find the setting that works, and to be careful once I find that setting because if I lose it, I may not be able to easily find it again. For each "hair movement", I will also need to adjust the sensitivity and antenna position after entering some specific sequences of calculator buttons. Then walk past a target placed on the ground and make observations of what I see happening with the antenna.

Just out of curiosity, was this incredibly complex "tuning" procedure a part of the enclosed instructions (that accompanies all Examiners), or is it something special that was transmitted to you by R-T?

[J_Player]

The adjustment procedure is going to require that we make some tweaks to a small trimmer cap that is said to be very difficult to set to the exact position for good performance. I was told that it must be moved by a "hair at a time" until I find the setting that works, and to be careful once I find that setting because if I lose it, I may not be able to easily find it again. For each "hair movement", I will also need to adjust the sensitivity and antenna position after entering some specific sequences of calculator buttons. Then walk past a target placed on the ground and make observations of what I see happening with the antenna.

Just out of curiosity, was this incredibly complex "tuning" procedure a part of the enclosed instructions (that accompanies all Examiners), or is it something special that was transmitted to you by R-T?

Hi Theseus,
This is included in the instructions as a "last resort" in the case you don't see the results expected after following the other instructions. There is nothing complex about it, but it requires looking for a very hard-to-find setting that may take some time for a new user of an Examiner. From what I read, this is only necessary on a few units that show poor performance. Apparently, I have a unit that needs this adjustment.

Best wishes,
J_P