Psychical Physics by Tromp

[Mike(Mont)]

I would not recommend this book. It has a lot of info, but it's 65 years old. Tromp was a skeptic but after doing research he came to understand that dowsing is real. This book give me the creeps. There are some experiments discussed that just make me very uncomfortable. If you want references, he has 1496 sources listed. No doubt many people have used this book to build their knowledge base, but I don't think it is current enough to be of much use today unless you are a total dowsing geek/nerd.

[WM6]

Tromp was a skeptic but after doing research he came to understand that dowsing is real.

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Mike, no one claims that dowsing is not real.

Dowsing is real.

Real (mostly unconsciously) auto-scam.

[Mike(Mont)]

Nobody claims skeptics aren't real, either. Real idiots.

I wish someone would have told me that book is so nerdy, it's nauseating in places. I really wish I hadn't even read it.

[WM6]

Nobody claims skeptics aren't real, either. Real idiots.

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Is it possible that from skeptics as you were in past, incurred smart guy?

[Mike(Mont)]

BTW, I saw some ridiculously high priced copies of this book on ebay. Don't waste your money.

[WM6]

Agree Mike, it is better to buy gold jewelry.

[Mike(Mont)]

I paid too much for the copy I got. I'll sell it cheap --$40 shipped.

[Tinkerer]

Here is another dowsing http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/Dowsing.htm

Tinkerer

[Mike(Mont)]

FYI, you can order the Tromp book at Natural Energy Works and save some postage. I'm not saying it's worthless, there is a lot of info there, but Tromp was not a dowser. That just makes the whole thing weird. I think that is what Christopher Hills meant when he talked about people "reporting" on dowsing. They are bystanders and if you don't learn it and experience it, you just don't know. In the Supersensonics book, Hills did most/all of the experiments. It is a first-hand work by an expert. That makes it much higher value and it's why the book is know as the "The Dowser's Bible".

[J_Player]

Here is another dowsing http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/Dowsing.htm

Tinkerer

Hi Tinkerer,
This is an interesting report. It is a review of the testing methods used by researchers to ascertain whether dowsing works, written by George Hanson, another non-dowsing researcher. It appears he was researching only the methods others used to test dowsing in some notable tests conducted over past decades.

While some may consider his writings to be weird, I think this is an excellent report. He saves us the time of looking up all of the published dowsing tests and determining which ones were notable. Then he analyzes the procedures used in the tests to determine how valid results can be considered by the standards of the Society for Physical Research. He also addresses human physiological senses that may come into play with dowsers. I am reading a lot of things that I don't normally consider when listening to the usual debates about dowsing that we read in this forum.

His conclusions seem to be the same as what I think about dowsing without doing all the painstaking research he did to arrive at those conclusions. I too would like to see any dowser locate a hidden object with their dowsing apparatus in a manner where precautions are taken to avoid sloppy experimental testing procedures. Simple double-blind testing that does not leave clues for a person to guess where the hidden object is would work.


Maybe the most propagandically significant thing I learned when reading this paper was the meaning of the word "debunker".
I see this word used in the second page of the report where Hanson writes:

"Debunkers claim that dowsers are little more than practical geologists".

So skeptics were wrong all along about "Debunker" not being a word. It is a noun used to describe a person who debunks.
I suppose anyone who uses this word as a verb just doesn't have a very clear understanding of English grammar.

But then, when I use words like "propagandically", I suppose I don't know English grammar so well either.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

But then, when I use words like "propagandically", I suppose I don't know English grammar so well either.

Best wishes,
J_P

You need to learn to write proper ... like what I do.

[J_Player]

You need to learn to write proper ... like what I do.

...I thought they learned me pretty good at the schools what I went to.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Seden]

Christopher Hills Supersensonics

Mike,

I've had Tromps and Christopher Hills books and Hill mixes B.S. religion into the text. I tried really hard to ignore the Eastern Religion junk but after much frustration tossed it into the trash along with Tromps book which as you point out is way too in depth analysis on the subject. Now I've read good things about Christopher Birds book on dowsing-no New Age nonsense at all.

And so it goes.

Randy

[Theseus]

Mike,

I've had Tromps and Christopher Hills books and Hill mixes B.S. religion into the text. I tried really hard to ignore the Eastern Religion junk but after much frustration tossed it into the trash along with Tromps book which as you point out is way too in depth analysis on the subject. Now I've read good things about Christopher Birds book on dowsing-no New Age nonsense at all.

And so it goes.

Randy

Christopher Hills is a self-proclaimed wise and wonderful wizard. From his website he writes of himself... " that his life was a marvelous weave of science and biology, consciousness and commerce, ancient knowledge and new discovery. His path of dedication to God led him at last to the Goddess. He built a Sanctuary in her honor at the Garden of Forgiveness and rejoiced daily in her etheric frequencies"

You were correct in tossing his literature into the trash. It is not only worthless, but totally baseless. Hills found a niche industry that appealed to those trying to satisfy their interest in the occult with a twist of Eastern Religion. Hills was incredibly prolific in generating these works and even though he has passed on; the stuff is still available on the Shelf entitled Weird, Esoteric and Completely Out in Left Field.

Only a tiny select group of people find his crap interesting, probably because he mixes his Eastern Religion with words like waves, radiation, frequency and other terms he lifted from conventional science.

Like the average LRL scam artist; I guess they figure if they mix in a few terms from real science, that somehow it lends credibility to their pseudo-science. They are wrong.

Checkout this little item: http://www.quantumbalancing.com/pi-ray.htm

Need I say more......

[Seden]

Good Lord Theseus!

You should of warned me to how deep the B.S. was on the linked site so I could of at least put on my Rubber Boots! I HATE that stuff.

Yep you nailed it re: Dr. Hills and his sicko widow and her perverted video.
I was raised Christian Science so I've had just enough mind science crap.

Randy