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  • #91
    Originally posted by hung View Post
    Actually there are 5 available videos to watch so far.

    But I may agree with you on the anomalies...
    Since you are in this subject, what about the anomalies found in the man on the moon videos in '69? Very suspicious eh? Those shades... I think it was a bad trick of the light... A hoax. What about you?


    That was good!

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    • #92
      Originally posted by putrechigi View Post
      Manolo, even if you and Marco do detect gold with the device and video tape it, people here will not believe you and will use some of their favorite quotes above.




      i think before saying if it works or not must attend in person and in real-world research, many people start with a negative thought I can respect but not share, from mature person I am, without starting with jokes and mocking forum
      best reguardsI
      Isn't Mark the OKM dealer in Italy? I think the US rep said he was...and this is the third time I've asked this question

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      • #93
        how works

        Hi to All , how work this Bionic and Please open inside box or pipe for showing.

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        • #94
          hi humhum ..I think that this device light gun

          look at the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_gun


          (pek inandırıcı gelmedi bana selamlar E.A )

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          • #95
            OKM's Response

            OKM has sent me a reply and confirmed what I had observed since the very first video.
            Just like the Mineoros use the IR Led for pinpointing the new Bionic uses the laser beam for this.
            So as I had previously claimed here, there's no such thing as a 'laser detector' as some here erroneously suggested.

            Also OKM confirms that it can be swept in both axis (horizontal and vertical) because if not, it would never make sense and sure it would be more than a limitation to it.
            The north-south aproach is mentioned as it's known as the best orientation for max ionic broadcast and discovered a long time ago by Damasio-Alonso.

            It's clear that OKM evolved the inner ionic circuit/ionic mode aproach to be able to detect also fresh items from a distance as the Tyon for instance already does.

            Let's wait for Manolo in his field test with Marco to confirm OKM's inputs.
            Here's OKM's reply at my inquiry:


            Hello,

            with the Bionic 01 you can do vertical and horizontal movements. Important in the ionic mode is that you try to scan from north to south direction.

            The test inside a house is very limited because there is a lot of metal around, which can influence the measurement.

            The laser pointer on the device is used for orientation in the field. So you can better locate the spot when scanning outside in long distances.

            Best Regards
            Julia Bessel
            --
            OKM Ortungstechnik GmbH
            Am Fünfminutenweg 6
            04603 Windischleuba / Germany

            PS. Bolds mine.
            "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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            • #96
              Originally posted by hung View Post

              So as I had previously claimed here, there's no such thing as a 'laser detector' as some here erroneously suggested.

              .
              Hi Hung

              Incorporated Laser detector is not suggestion, this is fact.

              You do not need to ask Julia, which answer what they have to answer, you need only to take some look inside box and all is clear.
              Global capital is ruining your life?
              You have right to self-defence!

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              • #97
                Originally posted by hung View Post
                It's clear that OKM evolved the inner ionic circuit/ionic mode aproach to be able to detect also fresh items from a distance as the Tyon for instance already does.
                So long for the long-time burried metals theory.No more gold ions floating around ?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Fred View Post
                  So long for the long-time burried metals theory.No more gold ions floating around ?
                  Sorry. I used the term 'at a distance' in a wrong way refering to the laser and IR led detection.
                  The term should actually be at a 'short' distance, since in the case of Mineoro and possibly the Bionic 01, they are pinpointers modulated at the receiver's probe frequencies.

                  The ionic emissions behave exactly like before and 'captured' by ionic chamber in Mineoro and apparently also by an ionic chamber type sensor in the BIonic 01 since this is what they claim in the manual.
                  "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by hung
                    Sorry. I used the term 'at a distance' in a wrong way refering to the laser and IR led detection.
                    The term should actually be at a 'short' distance, since in the case of Mineoro and possibly the Bionic 01, they are pinpointers modulated at the receiver's probe frequencies.

                    The ionic emissions behave exactly like before and 'captured' by ionic chamber in Mineoro and apparently also by an ionic chamber type sensor in the BIonic 01 since this is what they claim in the manual.
                    Well, that explains it all!

                    Now that we know for a fact the Bionic 01 is detecting gold ions, it will no longer be necessary to place a shovel or anything else at the spot where the laser is pointing. The Bionic 01 will respond perfectly to the air above the ground where gold is buried, without a shovel or anything else to pinpoint before digging the gold below it. This will prove it detected gold ions floating in the air, not the shovel or anything else placed conveniently where the laser is pin-pointing.

                    Best wishes,
                    J_P
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                    • Originally posted by hung View Post
                      The ionic emissions behave exactly like before and 'captured' by ionic chamber in Mineoro and apparently also by an ionic chamber type sensor in the BIonic 01 since this is what they claim in the manual.
                      This is disturbing.
                      Untill now i was understanding that gold was releasing ions slowly after being burried 10 or more years.
                      Now you tell me that every piece of fresh gold laying around is evaporating and releasing an heavy fux of ions.- and the bionic01 and mineoros rely on this principle to detect it...

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                      • Originally posted by Fred
                        This is disturbing.
                        Untill now i was understanding that gold was releasing ions slowly after being burried 10 or more years.
                        Now you tell me that every piece of fresh gold laying around is evaporating and releasing an heavy fux of ions.- and the bionic01 and mineoros rely on this principle to detect it...
                        Of course they can.

                        "Fresh gold" is what the FG means on the FG79 and FG80 Mineoros.
                        The fact that minute traces of gold ions are released only after many years was proved by scientists using conventional chemical titration tests of the soil. These scientists are not to be trusted. The concept of floating gold ions comes directly from the people who manufacture LRLs that detect these ions. Who would know better? Some scientists with thier field tests of the soil and air, or manufacturers of LRLs?

                        You saw the videos showing the Bionic 01 beeping at gold rings and a shovel handle, didn't you?
                        Doesn't that prove it located gold ions floating in the air?

                        Best wishes,
                        J_P

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                        • Originally posted by Fred View Post
                          This is disturbing.
                          Untill now i was understanding that gold was releasing ions slowly after being burried 10 or more years.
                          Now you tell me that every piece of fresh gold laying around is evaporating and releasing an heavy fux of ions.- and the bionic01 and mineoros rely on this principle to detect it...
                          Don't be disturbed, Fred. Do not trouble yourself with false understanding.

                          There are no more ions being released (into the air) by fresh gold lying around than there are by buried gold. The idea of a flux of ions (from gold) hovering several feet above the ground is pure pseudo-science concocted to help sell scam LRL contraptions.

                          (Note: the above comment is presented as a non-condescending entry)

                          The Wallet-Miner's Creed
                          Why bother with the truth, when it doesn't suit the argument?

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                          • Originally posted by Theseus View Post
                            Don't be disturbed, Fred. Do not trouble yourself with false understanding.
                            Thanks Thesus,
                            I am felling better already.But you should understand when i am being ironic by now. After all we share this place from long enough.

                            I hope Dr Hung will explain why we were looking so hard for the long-time buried gold effects and suddenly it is no more necessary.
                            Maybe it can be explained by the advances of technology - but then arise the question : what is being detected ? (Hung??)

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                            • Originally posted by Fred View Post
                              This is disturbing.
                              Untill now i was understanding that gold was releasing ions slowly after being burried 10 or more years.
                              That's correct. The longer the time and the deeper the gold is, the stronger the field.

                              Now you tell me that every piece of fresh gold laying around is evaporating and releasing an heavy fux of ions.- and the bionic01 and mineoros rely on this principle to detect it...
                              I did not say that.

                              I said that the IR in the new Mineoros is used for pinpointing purposes at a relatively close distance because it's modulated at the receiver's frequency. In the Tyon's case the receiver is much more sensitive and along with the IR Leds circuitry (Tyon has two-TX and RX), it has the ability to detect fresh gold items, again in a moderate distance through reflex and modulation.
                              In some other thread I already mentioned that I did a test and it was able to detect a fresh gold ring indoors at 3-4 meters and an aluminum can at only 20 cm. A real improvement in the filtering stage and this is what I mentioned at the time.

                              In the Bionic 01's case, I can only imagine the laser is doing the same thing as I am not familiar with the device. But I am familiar with the aproach.
                              "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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                              • Originally posted by hung View Post
                                I did not say that.
                                Ok, those devices don“t rely on ion emanations to detect gold. I understand.

                                Originally posted by hung View Post
                                ...through reflex and modulation
                                My conclusion is that they only detect non-buried gold.

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