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  • J_Player
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    Originally posted by Rudy
    Is the Utah District Attorney so busy prosecuting other matters that he has no time to put these bums out of business?
    Hi Rudy,
    After watching the events involving previous magic wand detectors being sold as military bomb detectors, I have concluded there is no time shortage problem for the Utah judicial department to prosecute K3Tec. It appears to me the Utah Justice Department has decided not to prosecute H3Tec for political reasons that are driven by money.

    Some government departments like scams
    If we look at what happened with the ADE–651, GT-200, Sniffex, and others magic wand bomb detectors, we see they were all sold for a long time before any government action was taken to stop the sellers. Of course, we expect it takes some time for the wheels of justice to come up to speed in these matters. But look at what happened with the ADE-651. The producer of this fake detector was permitted amass a huge fortune before he was finally arrested and the product was partially banned.

    Why did this happen?
    Was it just an unfortunate oversight in the British legal system?
    Why did it take an expose from BBC Newsnight to open the eyes of ordinary people who subsequently demanded something should be done?

    Government helps promote scam bomb detectors
    Further reading shows the British government was actually helping to promote this fake bomb detector before the demands to ban it threatened to expose their participation. See this BBC Newsnight article titled "UK Government promoted useless bomb detectors" : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ht/9377875.stm

    "... the UK government told BBC Newsnight that between 2001 and 2004 a Royal Engineers sales team went around the world demonstrating the GT200, another of the "magic wand" detectors which has been banned for export to Iraq and Afghanistan, at arms fairs around the world even though the British Army did not consider them suitable for its own use.

    The government's Department of Trade and Industry, which has since been superseded by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, helped two of the manufacturers sell their products in Mexico and the Philippines".

    ...And they report fake bomb detectors are still being sold all over the world: "At least four rival manufacturers have sold their own versions of these devices and they are now the subject of a major fraud investigation by the City of London police.

    ... The manufacturer of another of the devices, the Alpha 6, has admitted to Newsnight that they make them for £11 and then they are sold for £15,000 each to the end user".


    Why would the government help sell fake bomb detectors?
    Let's take a step back and look at the money trail...
    Forget about who's wallets are getting greased. At a higher level, a decision was made to get the government involved in selling these devices.
    The idea was to promote business in a difficult economy. This helps the government by improving their tax revenues.
    So what if people die in the process... it wouldn't happen in their country.
    Fortunately, the British people didn't feel that way once they found out what was going on.
    We have people such as the reporters at BBC Newsnight to thank that something was finally done.
    Yet we see there are still similar dowsing rod bomb detectors being demonstrated and sold from the UK.
    What happened?
    Did some government officials discover people stopped watching so closely since the recent arrest and banning of fake detectors?

    But what about H3Tec?
    They don't sell bomb detectors to the military.
    ... or do they?



    Charles Christenson (CEO of H3Tec) is listed in the Cambridge Who's Who, which shows the highlights of his career: "The highlights of his career included being a part of the development team for the PAM II D Apogee Kick Motor, being involved in the deployment of the first H3 element detector in the Middle East to protect the Armed Forces, drilling his first oil well with success, starting a large gold mining prospect based on the H3 subsurface mapping system, and discovering his first Spanish galleon". But people say that is a fake photo and fake propaganda made by H3Tec to fool people into thinking the military uses their fake detectors. The only real evidence I have read shows they are selling their junk to treasure hunters.

    So why doesn't the Utah Attorney General stop H3Tec?
    Is the State of Utah also trying to promote local business?
    Maybe they figure these fake detectors are only being sold to treasure hunters, so nobody will be hurt except some deluded treasure hunters. Maybe they figure the sales of H3Tec "Treasure Tricorders" will help to protect treasures in the state of Utah by frustrating treasure hunters and making them poor, while improving tax revenues.
    Or maybe they figure most of the H3Tec products will be exported to other places and will bring money in from outside the state.

    Maybe H3Tec is not big enough for the Utah Attorney General.
    Maybe the Weber County District Attorney would care. Or maybe the Ogden City Attorney?
    They all have jurisdiction, but the local City and County Attorneys have a bigger stake in local profiteering.
    Is this why nobody in Utah wants to prosecute them?

    If the H3Tec scam is good for business, then the Utah government will help them promote this scam...
    Utah has the same idea as the UK for promoting business.
    Instead of a Department of Business Innovation and Skills, Utah has a Governor’s Office of Economic Development (GOED) which promotes H3Tec.
    Who cares if the company is selling fake detectors...
    they are bringing money into the state.
    Take a look at how the Utah Governor's office describes H3Tec... http://www.utahpulse.com/featured_ar...tlights-h3-tec

    It makes me wonder --- has nobody complained?
    I suppose we made a lot of noise here in Geotech.
    And we can read other complaints here: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...espondent.html
    And here: http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/search?q=h3tec
    And here: http://community.discovery.com/eve/f...?r=64519144001
    And here: http://ade651gt200scamfraud.blogspot...-at-h3tec.html
    And here: http://explosivedetectorfrauds.blogspot.com/
    And here: http://gpex.ca/smf/index.php?topic=2663.10
    And here: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/ar...tectors-11030/
    And here: http://www.defenceiq.com/questions/-0-/
    And here: http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showthread.php?p=52686
    And here: http://www.thunting.com/smf/black_bo...-t21701.0.html
    And here: http://exijamosloimposible.blogspot....para-nada.html
    And here: http://lius4u5.deviantart.com/art/De...-200-163395799
    And a lot more websites...

    What does it take to get the Justice Department involved in Utah?
    The government will not stop the scam until someone points the finger at them as promoters of the scam!
    The most influential persons behind the scenes at this time are Randi, Carl-NC, and diohuni, who have actually taken steps to put a stop to the H3Tec and other fake bomb detectors. Congratulations to Carl, and especially to diohuni who has contacted State Authorities in Utah, FBI, DOD, Utah media, and any related business contacts e.g. awards they claim, sponsors of those awards, associates of H3Tec and the Christensens to try to put a stop to this fake detector fraud.
    And lets not forget to point our fingers at forum members such as hung and Art3811 who promoted this trash while we put out the word that it is a fraud.
    Maybe some media coverage is needed to make H3Tec as famous as the ADE-651 fake detectors.


    Will the State of Utah continue to pretend this is another fine product they are promoting in their state?
    Or will they wait until they are exposed to the world as promoters of fake detectors that don't work?


    Best wishes,
    J_P

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  • Rudy
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    Is the Utah District Attorney so busy prosecuting other matters that he has no time to put these bums out of business?

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  • Carl-NC
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    Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
    So it appears they've recently updated their website to correct the error?
    Yes, except they left the "error" on another web page, below. Also note the fine photo of Chuckie and Kathy holding those artifacts, with no mention that the artifacts were found with an H3. That was not an oversight.
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  • Qiaozhi
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    Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
    You have to pay attention to what they used to say:
    So it appears they've recently updated their website to correct the error?

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  • Carl-NC
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    Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
    In fact, on the H3tec website it does actually state "Stoel Rives/Utah Technology councel Innovation Award finalist" and not "winner".
    You have to pay attention to what they used to say:
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  • Qiaozhi
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    H3tec also claim to have received an IQ award in 2008, but I don't see that here either ->

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  • Qiaozhi
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    ... and I've just noticed that they spelled "council" incorrectly.

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  • Qiaozhi
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    OK - I think I see the problem.

    Have a look here -> http://www.stoel.com/showrelease.aspx?Show=2401
    You will see that H3tec are not listed as winners of the Utah Innovation award, but it appears they may have been in the list of finalists. In fact, on the H3tec website it does actually state "Stoel Rives/Utah Technology councel Innovation Award finalist" and not "winner".
    However, they are promoting it as if they did win, by also stating "Utah Best of State 2007".
    Those damn marketing guys!

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  • Diohuni
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    Faked

    Like the stories of military deployment perhaps!

    Even if any of their awards are legit, none of them prove the damn thing works! Just based on demos I expect. East to fool people with a demo, but not a proper double blind. Funny, they don't have any of those!!

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  • Qiaozhi
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    Originally posted by Diohuni View Post
    Dear Sir,

    I received your email, copied below, about H3Tec’s statements about receipt of a Utah Innovation Award. H3Tec has not been a winner of a Utah Innovation Award. I will contact the company shortly to ask that they correct the references on their website.

    Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

    Best regards,
    Loren

    Loren R. Hulse | Partner
    STOEL RIVES LLP| 201 S. Main St., Suite 1100 | Salt Lake City, UT 84111-4904
    Direct: (801) 578-6978 | Fax: (801) 578-6999
    Very interesting ... but I wonder where this came from then? ->
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  • Diohuni
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    Good news on H3Tec

    Dear Sir,

    I received your email, copied below, about H3Tec’s statements about receipt of a Utah Innovation Award. H3Tec has not been a winner of a Utah Innovation Award. I will contact the company shortly to ask that they correct the references on their website.

    Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

    Best regards,
    Loren

    Loren R. Hulse | Partner
    STOEL RIVES LLP| 201 S. Main St., Suite 1100 | Salt Lake City, UT 84111-4904
    Direct: (801) 578-6978 | Fax: (801) 578-6999

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  • Geo
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    Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
    KT, please drop your accusations against Ivconic... I see no evidence that he has anything but contempt for LRLs. Further accusations will be deleted and you will risk a "cooling off" vacation from Geotech.

    You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

    - Carl

    Thank you Carl that allows for the continuation of this forum

    Regards

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  • Carl-NC
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    KT, please drop your accusations against Ivconic... I see no evidence that he has anything but contempt for LRLs. Further accusations will be deleted and you will risk a "cooling off" vacation from Geotech.

    You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

    - Carl

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  • kt315
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    why you lie Iraqi people? why kill them? that is your business on their blood!

    Iraq police official charged in bomb device scandal
    By Suadad al-Salhy
    BAGHDAD | Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:38pm GMT

    BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi authorities have arrested a high-ranking police official in connection with the purchase of a bomb detector that the British government says does not work, officials said on Thursday.
    Iraq spent about 75 million pounds on the devices, which are widely used by police and soldiers at security checkpoints and were meant to be a key defence against insurgents.
    A series of blasts that killed hundreds in recent years had Iraqis questioning how militants got trucks, buses and cars packed with explosives through Baghdad's numerous checkpoints.
    The government began investigations after reports the ADE651 bomb detection devices purchased from a British-based company were practically useless.
    "Major General Jihad al-Jabiri, the commander of the bomb squad, was arrested five days ago," a senior police official close to the investigation told Reuters. "There are documents and incriminating evidence in the explosives detector case."
    An Iraq Supreme Judicial Council official confirmed Jabiri's arrest on corruption charges but declined to provide details.
    The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills announced in January 2010 it would ban exports to Iraq and Afghanistan of the ADE651 device. It is shaped like a pistol and features a swivelling antenna meant to point at explosives.
    Iraqi lawmakers demanded security forces stop using them and that the government try to get its money back.
    But some Iraqi officials have defended them, saying they have detected many bombs and munitions stockpiles.
    Investigation revealed that Jabiri recommended that Iraq sign five contracts to supply security forces with the detectors for between 23,548.37 pounds and 34,702.86 pounds each even though the real cost of the devices is no more than 61.97 pounds, the senior official said.
    The first contract, valued at about 11 million pounds, was signed in January 2007 and will be the first case taken to court, the official said.
    "This is one of many cases that Jabiri is linked to regarding the same issue," the official said.
    The inspector general of the Interior Ministry, which controls the police, said he investigated the detectors two years ago and found them "inoperative" and costly. He recommended that Iraq should not buy the devices.
    (Writing by Suadad al-Salhy; Editing by Jim Loney/Maria Golovnina)

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  • Diohuni
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    Great News

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