$60,000 Dowsing Rod to Iraq as Explosives Detector

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
You don't like to understand me.
I know about H3Tec.... I meant other things.
Ι stop here this discussion because it sees that i writes others but you answer other things. I also know that it is a technical forum and not a politician. I have no problem if the method H3Tec works or not, but I have problem when kill people from poor functioning thereof, but also I have more trouble when people are killed, not by a malfunction of H3Tec but by the deliberate dropping bombs.

Regards

Hi Geo,

You have missed my answer in two places:

1. You say you have a problem when H3Tec is killing people from the poor functioning to detect bombs.
But you should not have a problem from H3Tec killing people because it is not used to detect bombs.
H3Tec has not been used for bomb detectors where people are killed from its poor functioning. This is a lie that was published on the H3Tec website.
H3Tec is not one of these companies. They only pretend to be used by the military for bomb detection.
The problem with H3Tec is not from it killing people.
The problem with H3Tec is they take people's money without delivering a machine that will find treasure.
The problem is fraud that results in making people poor, not fraud that kills people.
There are other companies who sell fake bomb detectors that cause people to be killed.
But not H3Tec.

2. Most people here also have problems about deliberate dropping of bombs that you are not reading about.
But they do not think they are a hipocrite for discussing fake bomb detectors here, because this is a forum for the technical aspects of the locators where they are expected to be concerned when they see fake detectors.
The people here who are concerned about people being killed from nonfunctioning bomb detectors are taking their actions to stop this condition to places outside this forum where you usually don't read about what they are doing or saying. This does not mean anyone here is a hipocrite. It only means they usually keep their actions to stop deliberate dropping of bombs and to stop sales of fake bomb detectors outside of this forum. You don't really think you are the only person in Geotech who is more concerned about deliberate dropping of bombs than they are concerned about detector circuitry, do you?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
You don't like to understand me.
I know about H3Tec.... I meant other things.
Ι stop here this discussion because it sees that i writes others but you answer other things. I also know that it is a technical forum and not a politician. I have no problem if the method H3Tec works or not, but I have problem when kill people from poor functioning thereof, but also I have more trouble when people are killed, not by a malfunction of H3Tec but by the deliberate dropping bombs.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P
Probably you not understand what I mean.
As the H3 is not established that protects the lives of the bombs, so and the U.S. government does not protect the lives of people of many states, in opposite kill people by throwing bombs. But I see no complaints ......
That is why I talked about hypocrisy

Regards

Hi Geo,
H3Tec is not selling their locators to be used as bomb detectors in the USA, so they are not being used to try to stop people from throwing bombs.
The USA has an organization called Homeland Security which investigates threats of people who might throw bombs, and they use real bomb detectors and real metal detectors that are proven to work.
They do not use H3Tec to find bombs.

From what I have read, H3Tec is not selling their bomb detectors to any other country either.
What I read tells me the propaganda we read to say they are being used in the military are lies.
From what I can see they are only telling false stories to say their locators are being used by military in the USA and other countries.
Maybe they sent some samples of their locators for people to try, but I don't think anyone is using them after they tried them out and saw that they do not work to locate bombs.
I have read no reports of any country using them except for some lies that H3Tec put on their web page.

At this time, the Utah government is allowing H3Tec to defraud people by selling then fake treasure detectors.
They have not yet failed to protect peoples lives from fake H3Tec bomb detectors because H3Tec has never sold any fake bomb detectors yet.
When they begin to sell thier locators for bomb detecting, then the FBI will have a case to pursue because of the sale of fraudulent bomb detectors across state lines.
At the present time, the State of Utah, the District Attorney for Weber County, and the attorney for the City of Ogden are failing to stop them from defrauding treasure hunters.
It seems to me the Utah government is acting the same as the UK government did for the ADE651.
They are helping to sell it.
The only difference is the H3Tec is not being used as a bomb detector.

As experts in electronics and metal detecting, we can make our forum posts to warn people about the fake electronics in the H3Tec.
These warnings help to stop J3Tec from selling their locators by informing people of the facts.
If you search with google for H3Tec fraud, you will find a lot of information from Geotech, Thunting, and Tnet.
Anyone who wants to know the facts from people who understand the electronics will read what Geotech says, because they know there are people with electronic knowledge here.
Even other websites and blogs link thier readers to Geotech to learn the facts about the fake bomb detectors.
Readers are able to come here and read how it is a grounded dowsing rod with no electronic signal attached to energize isotopes for 10 miles.
And they can read how the owner of H3Tec lied about nearly all the claims he made for his locator.

Any involvement with the government agencies is something that concerned forum members do their our own outside the scope of the Geotech forum like Diohuni and Carl do.
The most we will hear about it is their reports and updates in the forums, because this forum is only a technical forum for the equipment, not a political activist forum.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
You are wrong.
There is nothing wrong with the dowsing method as long as you are using it for your own personal use.
But when you force others to make their life depend on someone else's dowsing, then it is absolutely wrong.

Suppose I told you I can dowse because you convinced me I can. Then I told you I dowsed, and I used both an H3Tec and an ADE651 to make sure the mine field has no mines in it.
Would it be ok if you are now forced to plow the minefield and plant vegetables there?
All scientific testing on dowsing shows it cannot be relied on to protect people's lives from bombs.
Electronic bomb detectors are supposed to detect bombs. And these ones do not.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P
Probably you not understand what I mean.
As the H3 is not established that protects the lives of the bombs, so and the U.S. government does not protect the lives of people of many states, in opposite kill people by throwing bombs. But I see no complaints ......
That is why I talked about hypocrisy

Regards

[Rudy]

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

Why are you going around to all the metal detecting forums posting the identical message?
Are you a troll?

[kt315]

last attempt to make it a political forum

trollizm. sounds you are clear un-political troll.

[J_Player]

This is why we continue to be focused on the problems of fake bomb detectors -- not the problems of world politics.

seems a problem of fake bomb detectors is big brother bombs countries not having atomic bombs. then big brother offers them to buy the bomb detectors and gets big money. this $$$ monster deeply needs in blood and money. politics here on every step, my friend. this site is politic. this forum is politic. EVERY forum is politic. so you are not right, misleaded or simply shamed by idiot.

I have only seen two or three people posting in this forum who would like to change it to a forum of world politics. It appears you are one of these people. The majority of people who come to post at geotech are more interested in discussing geotechnical things and do not want to convert this to a forum dedicated to world politics and censorship. You can read here to see what happened to your last attempt to make it a political forum and censor what is permitted in the Geotech forums: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16742

Do you really believe there are more than a two or three people besides you who want to change this forum to ban all discussions of long range locators, and only allow discussions that promote your view of world politics instead?

You could scroll up and read Carl's warning to you:

You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

- Carl

Best wishes,
J_P

[kt315]

This is why we continue to be focused on the problems of fake bomb detectors -- not the problems of world politics.

seems a problem of fake bomb detectors is big brother bombs countries not having atomic bombs. then big brother offers them to buy the bomb detectors and gets big money. this $$$ monster deeply needs in blood and money. politics here on every step, my friend. this site is politic. this forum is politic. EVERY forum is politic. so you are not right, misleaded or simply shamed by idiot.

[J_Player]

I fear that you are a hypocrites.
You have problem with the failure of H3 and completely ignores the bombing of Libya.
Yesterday was Yugoslavia, now Libya, Greece tomorrow, the next day Turkey, etc
And your problem will be always the H3 or the dowsing method!!!!
What to say?????

Hi Geo,
You are wrong.
There is nothing wrong with the dowsing method as long as you are using it for your own personal use.
But when you force others to make their life depend on someone else's dowsing, then it is absolutely wrong.

Suppose I told you I can dowse because you convinced me I can. Then I told you I dowsed, and I used both an H3Tec and an ADE651 to make sure the mine field has no mines in it.
Would it be ok if you are now forced to plow the minefield and plant vegetables there?
All scientific testing on dowsing shows it cannot be relied on to protect people's lives from bombs.
Electronic bomb detectors are supposed to detect bombs. And these ones do not.

The sale of fake electronic bomb detectors has nothing to do with the fact that there are more bombings as time goes on.
We are a metal detecting forum that focuses on locating metals and other substances, not a forum that specializes in political activity to stop bombings.
This is why we continue to be focused on the problems of fake bomb detectors -- not the problems of world politics.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

If you type "ATSC" into the search function on Geotech, you will see that it has been discussed here many times already.

[J_Player]

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

ATSC is the company headed by Jim McCormick who produces the ADE 651 fake bomb detector. This is the same Jim McCormick who was arrested and the ADE 651 was banned from being exported from the UK to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Apparently there is no law which prohibits advertising the ADE651 on a web page, as long as none of them are exported from the UK to Iraq or Afghanistan. If you read the web page link to contact them, you will see they do not say where they are located. I suspect they relocated their business office and shipping department outside the UK. This would keep them free of the prohibition to export these fake bomb detectors from the UK.

There are also several other counties which placed bans on importing the ADE651 to their country after seeing them fail to detect explosives.
But it appears there are not many restrictions which stop this company from producing and selling the ADE651.
The biggest deterrent in their path is the general knowledge people have from watching news coverage which shows that they are fake detectors.

You can look at the wikipedia page to learn the basic facts and events that followed the ATSC company, Jim McCormick and the ADE651 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651
You will read how many explosives and military experts all over the world refused to allow the ADE651 to be used in their country, and how several tests showed explosives could easily get past the guards using the ADE651.
You will also read about the news coverage which helped to spread the word to the general public that these dowsing rods do not work to keep them safe from explosives.

You will see at the bottom of that page, they list several similar devices being marketed in various countries, which include:
HEDD1 (formerly known as Sniffex Plus), marketed by Unival in Germany
Alpha 6, marketed by ComsTrac in the UK
PSD-22
and H3Tec.

What I think about this is the same as what I thought about it when I answered Rudy's post above.
Government justice departments are not very anxious to stop the producers of the ADE651 or other similar products.
Why?
Because the the places where these fake detectors are sold from are seeing profits which improve thier tax revenues.
And officials who buy them for their country receive substantial bribes which improve their personal estate.
You can read in the Wikipedia page how Iraq officials are currently investigating corruption surrounding the sale of ADE651 fake bomb detectors to their military.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

I fear that you are a hypocrites.
You have problem with the failure of H3 and completely ignores the bombing of Libya.
Yesterday was Yugoslavia, now Libya, Greece tomorrow, the next day Turkey, etc
And your problem will be always the H3 or the dowsing method!!!!
What to say?????

[WM6]

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

Buy one and go de-mining with it - You will become rich man (probably without legs but this is not ATSC concern).

[coae]

ATSC LTD

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

[Rudy]

JP, Thanks for your well thought out and beautifully researched answer.

I do hope that Carl et al are able to light a fire under some bureaucrat and get them moving.

On my part, I made inquiries with a friend that retired from the DoD and who was involved in procurements and contracts. So far, he has been unable to find anyone who participated in procuring any H3Tec for the US Army. I believe that story is horse pucky.