$60,000 Dowsing Rod to Iraq as Explosives Detector

[ivconic]

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[kt315]

thanks for my appraisal to catch your fingers in a door.
you gota be Number #1 LRL scammer in Geotech history, my friend.
the sceptic LRL gold ionic modulation scammer is your name. Qiaozhi noticed right.
glory to people they speedy did find out the truth about you activity. honest folks from USA and the world have to remember who you are.
write me more about how ty dolgo duril chestnym liudiam golovy svoimi beztolkovymi durilkami i elektronnymi pustyshkami. ditia blin maloe... ne naigralsia eschio v etu svoiu huietu?

[Qiaozhi]

you gota be Number #1 LRL scammer in Geotech history, my friend.
the sceptic LRL gold ionic modulation scammer is your name. Qiaozhi noticed right.

Please explain why you think Ivconic is an LRL scammer.
Nobody here seems to agree with you, so you must have a good reason for your conclusions.

[kt315]

Please explain why you think Ivconic is an LRL scammer.
Nobody here seems to agree with you, so you must have a good reason for your conclusions.

then who is the core of attraction of LRL scam?
can you give me a post related LRL at these sites?

http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html

http://thunting.com/smf/modifications_do_it_yourself_repairs-b176.0/

if you see an injuriousness in the world you drop 500 LBS JDAM at their heads. is it nice? nobody here seems to agree with you but you drop the bomb without my conclusions. so what are my conclusions for you?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=28f_1297870022

lol, absolutely awesome!! that's all I can say you, my friend.

[J_Player]

then who is the core of attraction of LRL scam?
can you give me a post related LRL at these sites?

http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html

http://thunting.com/smf/modifications_do_it_yourself_repairs-b176.0/

if you see an injuriousness in the world you drop 500 LBS JDAM at their heads. is it nice? nobody here seems to agree with you but you drop the bomb without my conclusions. so what are my conclusions for you?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=28f_1297870022

lol, absolutely awesome!! that's all I can say you, my friend.

Who is the core of attraction of the LRL forum?
I think it is kt315!
Yes, we need something to laugh at from time to time.
When a person fails to convince others of a doubtful proposition, yet continue on with their poorly though out logic, it can have a funny appearance.
But to be fair, let's give a serious answer to your pointless accusations:

1. ___________
You claim Ivconic is the 4th LRL scammer.
In fact Ivconic has not been posting in this forum for the past year or so. If you look at the number of posts in the remote sensing forum, you will see you made more posts than Ivconic did in the past year. And you will also see the fewer posts that Ivconic made do not promote LRLs. Does this make you the new #4 LRL scammer?
I don't think so. Just like it did not make Ivconic an LRL scammer.

But then let's look at the posts made by Ivconic... most of his posts were not made in the Remote Sensing forum. They were made in the Tech forum or other Geotech forums such as coils and TGS. Only a few of his posts were ever made in the Remote Sensing forum. If we take his 3387 posts and deduct the posts that were made in other Geotech forums, there would not be enough posts remaining to even get him a rating in the Remote Sensing forum. Sure he made a lot of posts when he was building VLF metal detectors, but only an idiot would conclude this proves he is a promoter of LRLs.

2.___________
Speaking of idiot logic..... what about the other members who show a lot of posts... Is Max the #1 LRL scam promoter because he made the most posts?
Or is it possible most of his posts were made in tech forum and metal detecting forums, not the remote sensing forum?

While you think about the answer to that question, why not take a look at the posts Max made in the remote sensing forum.... do you suppose you will find posts where he asks people to buy more LRLS?
Or do you think you will find posts that condemn LRLs as non-working BS circuits? You realize of course, Max has not posted in the Remote sensing forum for several years.

Oops... did I prove your conclusions are wrong?
Ohhh Nooooooo....!


2A.___________
Let's look for another member to accuse of promoting LRLs, and maybe pin the blame on for bombing in distant countries too.... how about Qiaozhi?
Can he be the #2 LRL scam promoter because he made the second most posts?
Well let's take a look at where Qiaozhi posts....
It seems to me he posts all over Geotech... and Remote Sensing is only a small part of where he posts. So what does he post in Remote sensing?
I keep reading how he considers dowsing to be a "trick of the mind" and I read how he calls LRL stories fairy tales....
This sure doesn't sound like an LRL scam promoter to me...
I guess this example also proves your conclusions are wrong.

2B.___________
If we go down the list of members you posted, we will see that the only promoter of LRLs is Esteban, who does not advise people to buy any LRLs. He only talks about experimental circuits he built and things he found with his circuits. But then Esteban has not posted here this year.


2C.___________
While we're on our witch hunt to find someone to accuse of promoting LRLs, we can't help to notice Carl-NC is #8 on the list of most posts. But wait... He is owner of the forum, and the only person who has the power to banish the Remote Sensing forum. Does this prove he is also a promoter of LRL scams?
I wonder if most of his posts are in Remote Sensing, or if they are other places like some of the others I mentioned?
I wonder what he has to say about LRL scams... do you think he promotes them?

Hmmmm.... When you check out the evidence for what they post and where they post, it looks like the evidence does not prove that Ivconic or any of the other top rated posting members is an LRL scam promoter as you claimed.



3.___________
But the main idiotic lapse of logic is to depict people who make a lot of posts in Geotech forums with promoters of LRL scams and as people who cause bombings in distant countries. This is especially true when you make a statement that nobody here seems to agree with Qiaozhi.... "nobody here seems to agree with you but you drop the bomb without my conclusions...."

It seems you already had your chance to prove that metal detectorists and experimenters were responsible for foriegn wars and for promoting LRL scams. And we learned that almost nobody agreed with you in an open vote. We see both LRL enthusiasts and LRL non-believers voted that they want the Remote Sensing forum to continue as it is. The vote was 4 to 1 against making any changes to the remote sensing forum.
It appears that most people agreed with Qiaozhi.
The evidence does not show that nobody agrees with him, as you stated.

So what does it all mean?
You lost at your attempt to banish the Geotech Remote Sensing forum, so you return now and make idiotic accusations against someone who no longer posts here.
Read the response that you received after your first attempt to banish the Remote Sensing forum... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16742
And then you make another idiotic accusation that is obviously wrong against Qiaozhi.
And you want people to believe that an absentee forum member who argues against LRLs is responsible for LRL scams?

I think Ivconic was right... "complete idiot".

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

[Geo]

Although my relationship with Ivconic is not the best, I can assure that he has no connection with the lrl scammers, on the contrary.

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

then who is the core of attraction of LRL scam?
can you give me a post related LRL at these sites?

http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html

http://thunting.com/smf/modification...epairs-b176.0/

Hi KT315,

I do not know why you have a personal vendetta against Ivconic, but nothing in your reply points to him being an LRL scammer.
If we look at the sites you have listed:

http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/

This site is dedicated to discussing metal detectors manufactured by Discovery Electronics Inc. Therefore it is highly unlikely to contain any reference to LRLs. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html

On this site there are discussions about LRLs. See here, for instance -> http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalD...297832681.html

http://thunting.com/smf/modifications_do_it_yourself_repairs-b176.0/

And the same for this site, which has an active forum on LRLs here -> http://www.thunting.com/smf/black_bo...ologies-b21.0/
and another on dowsing here -> http://www.thunting.com/smf/dowsing-b20.0/

Also, none of these site have any link to Ivconic.

Please try to follow Geo's example, and forgive and forget.

[kt315]

OKM -NOKTA are same sh!t detectors. great Qiaozhi.

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html
On this site there are discussions about LRLs. See here, for instance -> http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalD...297832681.html

thanks for your work. by your favour I take these comments from your link.

Bjorn - Not very different from NOKTA. Same sh!t different name. Buy a regular detector instead and avoid the dealers that even have these on their pages too. Only way to fight these manufacturers.

Tom_in_CA, in cool sarcasm manner, - Wow, it says it can tell the different types of metal apart, (gold, silver, etc...). Thus I can effortlessly go to blighted junky urban parks, and pass tabs and foil all day long, and *only* dig the gold rings that all you poor loosers have been passing up all these years. Wow, this is going to be great! I've been waiting for the machine that could finally tell aluminum from gold, and now it's here!

John=Edmonton, in hard sarcasm manner, -They Are The Leaders In The LRL Industry

[Diohuni]

Great News

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/02/17/uk-iraq-britain-explosives-idUKTRE71G3H120110217

[kt315]

why you lie Iraqi people? why kill them? that is your business on their blood!

Iraq police official charged in bomb device scandal
By Suadad al-Salhy
BAGHDAD | Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:38pm GMT

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi authorities have arrested a high-ranking police official in connection with the purchase of a bomb detector that the British government says does not work, officials said on Thursday.
Iraq spent about 75 million pounds on the devices, which are widely used by police and soldiers at security checkpoints and were meant to be a key defence against insurgents.
A series of blasts that killed hundreds in recent years had Iraqis questioning how militants got trucks, buses and cars packed with explosives through Baghdad's numerous checkpoints.
The government began investigations after reports the ADE651 bomb detection devices purchased from a British-based company were practically useless.
"Major General Jihad al-Jabiri, the commander of the bomb squad, was arrested five days ago," a senior police official close to the investigation told Reuters. "There are documents and incriminating evidence in the explosives detector case."
An Iraq Supreme Judicial Council official confirmed Jabiri's arrest on corruption charges but declined to provide details.
The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills announced in January 2010 it would ban exports to Iraq and Afghanistan of the ADE651 device. It is shaped like a pistol and features a swivelling antenna meant to point at explosives.
Iraqi lawmakers demanded security forces stop using them and that the government try to get its money back.
But some Iraqi officials have defended them, saying they have detected many bombs and munitions stockpiles.
Investigation revealed that Jabiri recommended that Iraq sign five contracts to supply security forces with the detectors for between 23,548.37 pounds and 34,702.86 pounds each even though the real cost of the devices is no more than 61.97 pounds, the senior official said.
The first contract, valued at about 11 million pounds, was signed in January 2007 and will be the first case taken to court, the official said.
"This is one of many cases that Jabiri is linked to regarding the same issue," the official said.
The inspector general of the Interior Ministry, which controls the police, said he investigated the detectors two years ago and found them "inoperative" and costly. He recommended that Iraq should not buy the devices.
(Writing by Suadad al-Salhy; Editing by Jim Loney/Maria Golovnina)

[Carl-NC]

KT, please drop your accusations against Ivconic... I see no evidence that he has anything but contempt for LRLs. Further accusations will be deleted and you will risk a "cooling off" vacation from Geotech.

You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

- Carl

[Geo]

KT, please drop your accusations against Ivconic... I see no evidence that he has anything but contempt for LRLs. Further accusations will be deleted and you will risk a "cooling off" vacation from Geotech.

You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

- Carl

Thank you Carl that allows for the continuation of this forum

Regards

[Diohuni]

Good news on H3Tec

Dear Sir,

I received your email, copied below, about H3Tec’s statements about receipt of a Utah Innovation Award. H3Tec has not been a winner of a Utah Innovation Award. I will contact the company shortly to ask that they correct the references on their website.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Best regards,
Loren

Loren R. Hulse | Partner
STOEL RIVES LLP| 201 S. Main St., Suite 1100 | Salt Lake City, UT 84111-4904
Direct: (801) 578-6978 | Fax: (801) 578-6999

[Qiaozhi]

Dear Sir,

I received your email, copied below, about H3Tec’s statements about receipt of a Utah Innovation Award. H3Tec has not been a winner of a Utah Innovation Award. I will contact the company shortly to ask that they correct the references on their website.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Best regards,
Loren

Loren R. Hulse | Partner
STOEL RIVES LLP| 201 S. Main St., Suite 1100 | Salt Lake City, UT 84111-4904
Direct: (801) 578-6978 | Fax: (801) 578-6999

Very interesting ... but I wonder where this came from then? ->
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