Simple but brilliant LRL

[aft_72005]

Hi
The picture at post number11, below elector article was made by Michael.
He had more experience with his handmade . I didn't decide
Write my dissection with Michael about it ., better say directly by him .
Where are you Michael??? Please say about ………

[Geo]

Yes - now I look back at the Zahori files I can see it is the same. For some reason I seemed to remember that the Zahori had a parabolic antenna.
In the Elektor article it explains that Zahori means "dowser".

Do you have the article in English version???

[J_Player]

Here is the article in English version (Text only)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Thank you J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Here is the article in English version (Text only)

Best wishes,
J_P

I see you beat me to it.
This is the translation that I did from the original Elektor article.
You can also have it in Russian, but I don't know who translated this one.

[Funfinder]

first field test

@ Morgan

Here you have similar LRL,more complex...

Yes thanx , those schematics are all about amplification of the electrostatic field - some with alot overflues or even important missing electronical parts and with not really best gain in sensitivity because they overprotect or "shortcut" the FET on partial a huge degree.


@ WM6

One really "Simple but brillant LRL"

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/scienc...lec_p050.shtml

http://amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html

etc etc ....

Stop that stupid nonsens, WM6 , those circuits are "pure completly simple" only and if you would read my posts with a little bit more attention instead of just making insulting ridicule out of everything you would have seen that I concerned already those circuits just 2 days ago! Look here: http://www.eskimo.com/%7Ebillb/emotor/chargdet.html You're defeat again!


@ all
First field test yesterday:
My ultra sensitive circuit starts to show the electrostatic field already when I lifted the box up 5cm from the ground - I even could hear the grass whisper - no joke!!!

A nearby railroad-overhead-line was detected from 40m distance with a loud "R R R R R... sound" - see here:

http://www.multiupload.com/I3HKG4QGHB

I used a wooden fruit-box, the top-cover of an ex-sat-receiver as directional plate antenna and instead of the speaker a little active box (those one you can get for mp3 players etc. - works great).

The volume raises by lifting the box more above the ground - there is a remarkable difference even within 20cm of height.

This test showed me that the next important thing to do is attaching a switch that is connected to a variable condenser (10-100 pF) to the FETs gate for reducing the sens - but only if this is wanted or needed and not all the time!

Also a voltmeter could be used to show more differentiated how strong the static energy is, 'cause the LED most of the time just is on or off and the speaker only signalizes "modulated" or pulsed static fields.

Anyone can tell me if the "long buried treasure" sends out such pulsed signals too or just creates a slightly or stronger raise of the electrostatic field?

[WM6]

Hi Funfinder,

you successfuly rediscover hot water. Please keep it hot!

[Funfinder]

@ WM6

Don't we all just cook with water...?

At least i'm doing something useful and constructiive instead of flaming threads with stupid comments like you do.

Did you read Goethe's Faust and now you're thinking that you're the evil ghost that has to negates everything !?!?!

[Theseus]

@ WM6

Don't we all just cook with water...?

At least i'm doing something useful and constructiive instead of flaming threads with stupid comments like you do.

Did you read Goethe's Faust and now you're thinking that you're the evil ghost that has to negates everything !?!?!

I hope you didn't go to all the trouble of building that Fruit Box Hum Detector just so you could listen to the spurious AC emissions from those overhead power lines.

[Funfinder]

@ Theseus
The trouble is it worth to find out what capabilities the staticfieldeffect has or not has.


But perhaps we really have to switch to a much more effective "scientific basis" or better said: "much more efficient detection method".

I checked out the OKM site which is in my native german language and the OKM Bionic Alpha really looks promising - here for you in english:

http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/longrange/bionicA.php?lang=en

It also uses an ionic chamber and is the same expensive as the Mineoro LRLs:

http://metaldetector.com.mk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=39&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=92&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26&vmcchk=1&Itemid=26

The Alpha uses 3 different detection methods and finds also new metal located in air or ground!
And I don't care if it doesn't reaches the same distance as the Bionic 01 as long as it detects the metal reliable.


In the next future we'll have to find out alot if we wanna be really successful...

btw. I could buy such OKM Bionic Alpha... - but better reading first all the user reviews I can get! Does this forum contains already some? And I also could visit the manufacturing persons and test this device there...

Here is some thread but I haven't read it yet:

http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15680

edit: read it; 4 pages and almost nothing has directly to do with the subject: "Bionic Alpha ?????"
And why is this so? Perhaps just because of too much flaming LRL nonbelievers who wanna disturb a serios investigation???
Please don't call such a discussion culture: "creative chaos"... - but perhaps it is for the right kind of person....

[Morgan]

BIONIC

@ Theseus
The trouble is it worth to find out what capabilities the staticfieldeffect has or not has.


But perhaps we really have to switch to a much more effective "scientific basis" or better said: "much more efficient detection method".

I checked out the OKM site which is in my native german language and the OKM Bionic Alpha really looks promising - here for you in english:

http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/longrange/bionicA.php?lang=en

It also uses an ionic chamber and is the same expensive as the Mineoro LRLs:

http://metaldetector.com.mk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=39&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=92&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26&vmcchk=1&Itemid=26

The Alpha uses 3 different detection methods and finds also new metal located in air or ground!
And I don't care if it doesn't reaches the same distance as the Bionic 01 as long as it detects the metal reliable.


In the next future we'll have to find out alot if we wanna be really successful...

btw. I could buy such OKM Bionic Alpha... - but better reading first all the user reviews I can get! Does this forum contains already some? And I also could visit the manufacturing persons and test this device there...

Here is some thread but I haven't read it yet:

http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15680

edit: read it; 4 pages and almost nothing has directly to do with the subject: "Bionic Alpha ?????"
And why is this so? Perhaps just because of too much flaming LRL nonbelievers who wanna disturb a serios investigation???
Please don't call such a discussion culture: "creative chaos"... - but perhaps it is for the right kind of person....

Hello

Not spend 10.000 E in useless BIONIC.
If you are from Germany,i have friends there,they test BIONIC and not satisfied,i can give phone nr to you t contact them.
About Zahori is diferent,becouse Esteban say it works as LRL,just need some alterations,possible in the antenna,lets see what we can do...

[Alexismex]

Hello Funfinder and others LRL guys ,
It is better for your cerebellum to begin with " more serious" work on ion chambers , electrostatic ....etc...AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND what you did not discover the world of electricity!!!!! see link for beginning academic work:

http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html

see all this site full off true electronic INFO .....not mineoro o okm style infos !!!!
HAVE FUN
Alexis.

[Alexismex]

This is "true science working" not loco loco device

[Morgan]

To Alex

Hello Funfinder and others LRL guys ,
It is better for your cerebellum to begin with " more serious" work on ion chambers , electrostatic ....etc...AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND what you did not discover the world of electricity!!!!! see link for beginning academic work:

http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html

see all this site full off true electronic INFO .....not mineoro o okm style infos !!!!
HAVE FUN
Alexis.

Hello Alex

We are rediscovering what others(Alonso&Damasio) have discover many years ago.
About MINEORO,i not say more than what i have found already, a few objects with model DC 2008,but i hope to find a treasure,and i will say that this devices realy work,but for now í stay quiet...
Thanks for your work opening one MINEORO,the ionic chamber is very interesting...

Regards

[J_Player]

This design above is used to detect ions in the chamber. The FET measures very small currents due to the discharge of ions inside the can. These ions can enter the can from outside if it is open to the air, or they can come from the inside if there is an ionizing radiation that causes the gasses to ionize inside.

The Mineoro Ion chamber is said to be different in that it is claimed to "classify the ions" so they can be determined to be ions from gold. According to the scientific theories of the inventors, their ionic chambers are designed to detect just gold, and nothing else. They also manufacture other ionic chambers to detect other materials. The inventors of the Mineoro ion chamber once explained how it works to identify the presence of gold:

When the negative "ion" finds its twin of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensively, that when they get together they provoke a short-circuit autodestroying themselves.

As in the Romeo and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of poison near them: in the same way, our "passionate ions" also leave a proof of their death in "emiting a crash", which generates an electrical signal so fast as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds, detectable in sensitive electronic circuits and projected for this aim.

The classifier just filters the negative "ions", twin pairs of positivie "ions" produced by the classifier.

We can see this is advanced science, beyond simply putting a charge on an electrode inside tin can to sense ions discharging. In fact, the Mineoro gold classifier required a 25ct gold foil terminal and gold shielding to be used in order to measure the crashing "Romeo and Juliet" effect. And who knows what electronics are processing these femto and atto second "crashes" to determine they were induced by the presence of "passionate ions" from distant buried gold?

Of course, at this stage I see people simply trying to measure ions with sensitive FET amplifiers. And I wonder how a treasure hunter with these FET ion sensors will know the difference between ions in the air near a copper coin, a tin can, or a gold ingot. How will they know the ions they are sensing are not caused by gamma radiation from a nearby source, or by a tree that has a static charge? Or maybe a damp spot on the ground has reduced the static charge in the air at a certain location?

Wouldn't all the tiny pulses of current through the FET look the same to the amplifier? Wouldn't they all look like the same collections of tiny pulses of current that come each time an air molecule discharges against the electrode, regardless of what caused the discharges?

Best wishes,
J_P