Constructive structure of controvers topics

[J_Player]

J_Player, I'm shure you are an open-minded and fair-judging person with technical understanding so it's a proof how problematically the whole LRL topic is.

The LRL topic is problematic because there is no proof shown in a way that an average person could determine from their own experience whether an LRL works.
To begin with, we see many expensive LRLs for sale which we are expected to believe will help us to easily find buried treasure without first trying them out before buying them. Then we read reports from people who say they work, even though they have not demonstrated that they have really found any treasure when using the LRL. We only have their report that the LRL works, and some explanation to say it works by using strange principles that do not work for the average person who reads the report. Then we have some people who post diagrams that show how to build a working circuit that they can use to find treasure. But when the average reader builds the circuit, they cannot find treasures with the LRL except by random chance. They wonder why the circuit does not work for them as it was claimed to work by the person who said it will work. The answer comes -- "You did not build it correctly" or "you did not use it properly" or "conditions were not right for detecting treasure".

The result is the same as if it is a fake LRL that does not detect treasure.
Does this mean the detector will work only if it is built in a certain way with secret circuits that are not shown in the forum?
Will the LRL work only for certain gifted people who have special abilities to operate an LRL?
Will the LRL work only at certain times and places where conditions are correct?

Looking at the reasons given why an average reader cannot find reasonable success with any LRL that is bought or built, it seems the legend of the LRL has protected itself from any possible complaint that an average reader can make to say it does not work.

So how can we determine whether they work or not?
This is simple. To make it simpler, let us consider only the LRLs which are claimed to be electronic, and do not require any special dowsing powers or other special talents of the operator. Lets consider only electronic LRLs that are claimed to work for an average person with no experience in using any metal locating equipment.

To begin, what is an LRL supposed to do? It is supposed to locate buried metal from a long distance (longer distance than a conventional metal detector).
How would you check to see if it works?
You give the LRL to an average person and tell him to read the instructions. After he reads the instructions, he uses the LRL in the way the instructions tell him to use it. Then he observes to see if the LRL was able to locate buried treasure.

So how does the average person test the LRL? He hides a peice of jewelry, or diamond, or any other treasure that the LRL is claimed to find. Then he uses the LRL according to the instructions to see if he can find the treasure. Some LRLs are claimed to locate only metal that has been buried a long time. In this case, the average person could go to a location where there is a known metal object that was buried a long time. This could be an underground pipe, wire, tank, or other metal thing he knows was buried a long time.

After following instructions for the LRL, the average person finds he cannnot locate it when using the LRL. So we see the problem with believing an LRL works when an average person gains experience to see it does not work. But still there are some people who say their LRL can find treasure because they "use it with the right method" or "they built it correctly" or "they know the right conditions where it will work".

There is another simple solution to determine whether these people have LRLs that can find treasure.
They can simply give a demonstration in front of the average readers.
The average people who want to determine whether the person who has the claimed working LRL is finding treasure can hide a treasure for the LRL to find. Then the person who has the working LRL can locate the hidden treasure without knowing where it is hidden. If he can repeat this 10 times in a row, maybe he truly does have a working LRL, or some special gift for finding treasure to convince the average observers his LRL is working.

The problem is no person who claims to have a working LRL will make this demonstration for average observers to see and experience so they will know. The one exception I can think of is where Morgan invited all people to come to his demonstration of a working LRL. Of all the billions of people on the earth, only Geo decided to attend at Morgan's demonstration. And Geo became convinced that the LRL Morgan had was working. Besides Morgan's demonstration, the only other LRL demonstrations I have read about showed failed locating attempts and detection abilities that were the same as random guessing.

The problem of showing LRLs working is easy to solve.
We do not need to know the newest circuit details, or learn the special meditation or dowsing methods. Simply let a person who claims to have a working LRL demonstrate it finding buried treasure consistently. I have had an open offer to document any demonstration of this nature that is made in the Los Angeles area for years, yet not a single person will show their LRL finding treasure. This does not give much credibility to LRLs in general. At present, I have a new, unused and unaltered deluxe LRL along with a MFD broadcating probe in my possesion which I have offered to let anyone who wants to test in the field. I made several posts inviting anyone in the Los Angeles area to come and field test it. Nobody is interested in even trying it. There was one Geotech forum member who did try it, and a number of non-treasure hunters who tried it. They all followed the operating instructions and decided it was not finding treasures.

From what I have personally experienced, I can conclude I have never experienced an LRL finding buried treasure better than guessing where the treasure is. I can also conclude from what I have read in the Remote Sensing forum that, with the exception of a few LRL enthusiasts, everyone else is convinced that LRLs do not locate treasures. The most interesting thing about LRLs I have found is the intrigue to study and experiment with the theories of how it could work, and to study the psychology of what would make a person believe that they are working.

Does this give you some idea of the real problematic nature of LRLs, and why there are many people who do not believe there is a working LRL available for purchase or to build?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I will do my best but it could take some time. It would be much easier just throwing all LRL-producers into jail and release them only if they can proof their devices are really that good as they claim.

They could inside for a very long time.

[Funfinder]

Final step: uncovering how it really works

Thank ya 4 d answers.


We're coming now to the final level - explanation and the following proofen ability for rebuilding!


Of course this is most of the time missing with LRLs here...

Rebuilding yes, if some useful schematics are available, but the evidence of real working often is far far away like the gold-treasures....


Perhaps because a schematic alone simply is not enough!

The creators - like I will do in this example - have also to explain what kind of technical principle lies behind - not to confuse with lying!


In our case here the secret key is encoded into the sound-data. The PSX uses 3 different country regions (Europe, America and Japan) so the soundfile has all of them present (see picture). Those are repeated for 30sec so there is plenty of time for bootup.
The goldwave capture shows you below that 1 sequence (for 1 country) incl. pause lasts 250 milli sec.

I did create this soundfile with high amplified 22khz signals and those have the exactly same structure as the digital modchip "on off" pulses!

The sound-file is an uncompressed wav so there is no loss and the final trick is very simple - now listen:

You only have to unscrew the PSXs plastic cover and locate the ribbon-cable of the laser unit. Solder a small wire to PIN 5! where that cable is connected to the mainboard (you can even solder it direct, but ribbon cables are a bit problematic for this). Connect a second wire to PSX ground - you can find this everywhere.

Now solder a small 3.5mm audio jack to those wires, ground to ground and the signal line secured by some 1k resistor, and you're ready to go!

Use some 1m male to male 3,5mm audio-plug cable and start with low volume you just have to play the special audio file and the PSX will boot!

It really is that extremly simple!!!

This is a very nice demonstration how easy you can hack digital devices with analog equipment or data-streams!

I shouldn't have told you here about such possibilities but instead secret services & Co., just I really wanted to prove you that there exists "secret special technical tricks" you don't know anything about and simply cannot or won't believe until you build, test and see that it works! btw. this CD unit Pin 5 picture below is exactly the region I did cut out on the 'Circuit Diagram' above.


Well, now you have all what's needed to proof it on your own!

And the same method we have to use with LRLs until we get such a device successfully to work and understand how it works!

We really shouldn't waste our very precious time of life by LRL half-knowledge, guessing, joking or disputing - this only will destroy our important motivation -, but in constructive investigation, experiments and electronic enineering!

[J_Player]

Now I begin to understand the brilliance of your discoveries.
It is hard for me to believe that hacking your high quality digital sound file into pin 5 of the video game will result in a working LRL.
But I want to maintain an open mind, so I will anxiously wait to see the hacked Sony PSX Play Station finding unknown gold in a treasure hunting field.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

You're a joker - the reason of this whole thread was to show how the intelligence has to work with LRLs, too.

No secrecy, guessing, disputs, half schematics, fifty-fifty info, unproven claims, stupid advertising how good this or that LRL works without any field-tests or proofs etc. etc. etc. And this forum is full of all this bulls**t, while really worthful and usable info is rarely seed!

btw. J_Player:
You'll only find treasures with PSX by inserting the right game CD - perhaps Shrek Treasure Hunt, Tales Of Phantasia or Tomb Raider!

[J_Player]

You're a joker - the reason of this whole thread was to show how the intelligence has to work with LRLs, too.

No secrecy, guessing, disputs, half schematics, fifty-fifty info, unproven claims, stupid advertising how good this or that LRL works without any field-tests or proofs etc. etc. etc. And this forum is full of all this bulls**t, while really worthful and usable info is rarely seed!

btw. J_Player:
You'll only find treasures with PSX by inserting the right game CD - perhaps Shrek Treasure Hunt, Tales Of Phantasia or Tomb Raider!

WHAT!!!
The PSX hacking will not find treasure in a real treasure hunt?

Ok, now I understand. You are only showing your hacking to the PSX to demonstrate how you will document your building of a real working LRL at a later time.
This will be good.
It will be good to see real circuits that anyone can build to work exactly as you show.
If everyone can build and calibrate an LRL circuit to work exactly as you show to locate buried metals, then nobody can argue that it does not work.

You could easily become the king of LRLs.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

And you easily could become the king of untechnical ironical statements like WM6...

[J_Player]

And you easily could become the king of untechnical ironical statements like WM6...

There is no danger for me. I like to have fun sometimes, same as the name you use. But don't worry. I know what you are capable of.
I am watching your other experiments for some progress. When you have them developed to a point where they are close to working for detection of buried metal, you will see more practical information of a technical nature from me.

Best wishes,
J_P