H3Tec discussion

[Jim]

No whining at all.
Not only you refused this invitation for a demonstration. You also refused others from LRL users.
I just hope the TNET site gets back soon with all your original posts intact, so people in this forum get to know you better and the way you are treated there by LRL and even non LRL promponents.

So....not only did I refuse a dowsing demonstration from H3...I refused other dowsing demonstrations? Is that what you trying to say? Whew...redundant blathering

In regards to the Voy message board...I pissed off some Filipinos when their Yamash.ita treasure scam was exposed. It happens. Not a problem.

[Art3811]

Like H3Tec, you've refused my offers to put your claims to a proper test. The offer is still open! But I'm guessing you will continue to refuse. Cain't do it. Just like H3Tec.

Re: When Science shouts to the deaf
Reply To This Topic #40 Posted Yesterday at 08:40:40 PM

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Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Yesterday at 09:34:07 AM
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You claim that when you step on a silver coin, your rods will cross every time.
Yes I have said that I can do it every time. So tell the membership why anyone should show you anything.

I don't think you can.

$25,000.

Gee Carl….Many thousands of T-Net members read your challenge to me. I posted the movie of me stepping on a silver dollar and the Dowsing Rods closed every time. I post this because I can. We all know you spent the $25,000 to move. But that does not stop you from conning your followers. There sure are a lot of independent thinkers on this forum. They read your junk and post it on other forums just like it is their own thoughts…Good Job Guys..Art

[Art3811]

If Carl or SWR were really serious about knowing the technology of H3TEC, they would have traveled there and would have personally tested one unit. They were both invited and both declined. This alone shows how serious they are. Actually they have no intention whatsoever to know the truth.
Case closed in this matter for me.

You are correct hung….They do not want to know. For over 12 years now I have heard the same people challenge manufactures’ and owners of Dowsing Rods and LRL’s. No one will except the challenges……The solution is simple. Take Randi’s Million Dollars and Carl’s $25,000 and have a lab do the testing. They will not do that. I wonder why?.,..Art

[J_Player]

As Theseus stated previously in response to Art, and this certainly applies to you:
Probably it would be better if you didn't try to help H3Tec, they have enough problems right now as it is; they don't need you making things even worse.

Hopefully the TreasureNet forums will restored in the near future, and the LRL members of the funny farm can all go back to their usual place of residence.

This is what goes on at TresureNet? Funny Farm sounds like a good description of the Tnet refugees.
Take note Tnet refugees -- There is a rule for this forum you don't have at Tnet: "Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged".

So are any of the Tnet dowsers and users of LRLs willing to demonstrate their ability to find an object that a skeptic hides?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

...everyone knows there are clauses in his 'challenge', that simply can't be met.

Name one.

[Carl-NC]

Gee Carl….Many thousands of T-Net members read your challenge to me. I posted the movie of me stepping on a silver dollar and the Dowsing Rods closed every time.

It wasn't a DB test, and I wasn't there. Here is a summary of the proposed test. You told me in the past it was acceptable:

Take 10 small pieces of plywood, say 4"x4", numbered 1-10. I'll attach a silver dollar under one of them, chosen randomly. You step on each piece of plywood and determine which one has the silver dollar. Repeat several times. I'll pay you $25,000 if you are successful. I expect a complete rejection, along with alibis, because you cain't do it. And I'm sure Hung will say this is an impossible test.

[J_Player]

It wasn't a DB test, and I wasn't there. Here is a summary of the proposed test. You told me in the past it was acceptable:

Take 10 small pieces of plywood, say 4"x4", numbered 1-10. I'll attach a silver dollar under one of them, chosen randomly. You step on each piece of plywood and determine which one has the silver dollar. Repeat several times. I'll pay you $25,000 if you are successful. I expect a complete rejection, along with alibis, because you cain't do it. And I'm sure Hung will say this is an impossible test.

Impossible test?
I can pass that test with my cheapest metal detector easily (my metal detectors cannot identify isotopes, but they can all pass Carl's test).
I can get 10 perfect results out of 10 tries. Are dowsing and LRLs unable to pass the same test?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Art3811]

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Yesterday at 09:34:07 AM
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You claim that when you step on a silver coin, your rods will cross every time.
Yes I have said that I can do it every time. So tell the membership why anyone should show you anything.

I don't think you can.

$25,000.
Simple English Carl...I stepped on a coin and the rods crossed...That is just what you said I counld said would not happen...Art

[Qiaozhi]

Carl can not do an impendent scientific double blind test… He is a bias person.

Assuming that you actually meant to say "independent scientific double-blind test", I have to disagree with you. The whole purpose of a double-blind test is to remove any bias by the testers.
If you did mean to say impendent, then I've no idea what you're talking about.

Let's begin by explaining "double blind":
In a Double Blind experiment neither the individuals nor the researchers know who belongs to the control group(placebo group)and who belongs to the experimental group.
The researchers and the individuals only get to know who is in what group only after ALL the data has been recorded.
This eliminates bias (whether intentional or not) from the researchers and the individuals and it eliminates any "Placebo-effect" bias”

You have described a type of double-blind test, but at least you have grasped the general principle, which is to remove any unconscious or conscious bias by the testers.

Carl is not qualified because of his own Bias….[/color]

Oh dear! ... You do not appear to have understand the DB principles after all. My mistake.

How do you know that this Company has not done a Double Blind Test on their products? I have preformed many double blind studies of my own tools….I am bias and I know that but the tests confirm to me that they do perform. After all…The owner/ user makes the decisions as to how well the tool works…Art

If (as you have stated) you have indeed preformed (sic) double-blind testing on your own products, then you would not be making that statement. Clearly you have either done nothing of the sort, or you have not followed the correct procedures.

I know that for a fact “Jim”. A pocket calculator will find gold at a distance of ¼ mile buried at one foot deep. .Since your the expert on everything…Please tell us if it sounds like a Double Blind Test?

Firstly, it certainly does not qualify as a Double Blind test.
Secondly, you must be severely deluded, if you believe a cheap calculator glued on top of a plastic box stuffed with do-nothing electronics can find gold 1/4 of a mile away. Such an arrangement could not detect gold even if it was touching the antenna.

Double Talk Experts…You people have no answers…No I have never used one of these devices….I do not know how well it works. None of you know how well it works….Yes…I will return to T-Net soon. Tell Carl…I am still waiting on the $25,000 he owes me….Art

You're starting to sound like Dell. "I have never", "I do not know", etc.
As for demanding the $25,000 prize money ... hahahahah! You have more chance of finding gold 1/4 of a mile away with a calculator. Oh sorry, you've already tried that, and it didn't work. You need to go back and study the protocol for a double-blind test, and this time actually read the words and try to understand what they mean. If you still do not understand, then try phoning a friend.

$25,000.
Simple English Carl...I stepped on a coin and the rods crossed...That is just what you said I counld said would not happen...Art

Enough said. Your last post (above) sums it up nicely.

[WM6]

$25,000.
Simple English Carl...I stepped on a coin and the rods crossed...That is just what you said I counld said would not happen...Art

In such way as you done your "scientific test" I even do not need rods to step right on a coin and say "voila!".

In such way I can demonstrate "dowsing truth" everytime, no matter of humidity, ambiental noice, continental or moon position, or whatever others disturbing.

Therefore, Carl's $25,000 belong more to me than to you.

So, stop to beg for money, rather it earns by carrying out the DB test under given proposition.

[hung]

Art,
Remember, there's no DJ, JudyH or Eddie here for a high level discussion.
So don't ever expect anything above average regarding these matters in this forum.
Don't worry. It's only temporary and soon TNET will be back again.

[Jim]

The H3Tec Challenge thread has been seriously hosed.

Sorry Carl

[J_Player]

Assuming that you actually meant to say "independent scientific double-blind test", I have to disagree with you. The whole purpose of a double-blind test is to remove any bias by the testers.
If you did mean to say impendent, then I've no idea what you're talking about.

Is Art one of the tech writers fro H3Tec?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

The H3Tec Challenge thread has been seriously hosed.

Sorry Carl

Yup. some hose-heads from Tnet thought they could try their tricks at Geotech. We hear all manner of whining about pretend scientists, but when comes to facing a simple challenge, they crawl back under their rocks.

If their dowsing rods and LRLs really work, then why can't a single one of them find an object that a skeptic hides? We hear tales of how they find objects they hide or place in plain sight, but they are not willing to even try to find an object that a skeptic hides. Could it be their claims cannot stand up to peer review?

Maybe this is why they live mostly at Tnet... there is no rule to be prepared to get challenged if you make an extraordinary claim at Tnet.
Tnet is a more suitable place to hose down any real verifiable facts without interference from logic, testing or science.
Hopefully the Tnet homeland will be open again soon. Then we won't need to clog up the H3Tec thread with whining from LRL idiots who cannot perform in public.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Don't worry. It's only temporary and soon TNET will be back again.

I'm glad to hear it.

There is a note on TreasureNet regarding the current status of the forums ->

http://www.treasurenet.com/charter/index.php?topic=2.0

The Funny Farm boys can soon go home to roost.