H3Tec discussion

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks. I knew I was right.
There is no 'if' regarding the primary isotropic cause of all events. And no, what you infer above is absurd. Equilibrium forces to be kept do not allow antagonist periodic cycles.
If you appear to mix the concept of solar radiation with that of sun light pressure, how can you state the rest is nonsense?
This is very typical in brains who cannot process a particular data and emits an escapist comand verbalized.
No.
One more evidence that by not understanding the point, a refutal cannot be expressed.
Had you spent more time learning from these guys and less time taking pictures of them or talking amenities in fast food locations, you could have had at least an introductory view on vibrational states. Specially with Feynman.
But reading some of your 'beliefs' in a post to Don Jose unfortunately you sure wasted precious time.
Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense.
Exactly.
See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.

And after all this baloney about "vibrational states", "black holes, etc., etc., the bottom line here is that you still believe in dowsing and dowsing-related devices, such as the Ranger Tell Examiner. Unbelievable!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Einstein

[J_Player]

We can only conclude from your posts that you are either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or you use a lot of cutting and pasting ... or a combination of all three. This is clearly evident in your various posts - ranging from sheer rants to almost lucid.

However, your quote above is yet another demonstration that your ideas are nothing more than a confused and disjointed set of concepts, cobbled together from the ramblings of other pseudo-scientists and search engine results.

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe? What this even has to do with the title of this thread (H3Tec discussion) is anybody's guess. Please also define the meaning of "infinite point within the universe". This is just gobbledygook.

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder.

It is not hard to determine where the source of Dr. hung's HungScience comes from.
Originally, it came mostly from the producers of Mineoro LRLs. We can read pages of hung posts dating back several years extolling the virtues of Damasio, producer of the Mineoro DC and FG long range treasure detectors. He was the original source of the gold DNA facts. But when it comes to general physics knowledge, Dr. hung ignored the disciplined explanations that were backed with actual mathematics and actually worked in practice to produce useful results that anyone could test and demonstrate. Instead of learning these principles, he focused on learning the theories which allowed for impossible mechanisms to work, such as free energy machines and LRLs.

Why?
Because he wanted to tell stories of how he invented some secret LRLs which find fabulous treasures. In lieu of showing any real evidence that his LRLs exist or found any treasure, he planned to tell stories of how they theoretically work, to convince people he is telling the truth. He figured his stories would also prove he is telling the truth about his fabulous recoveries and his brilliance for inventing better LRLs than any factory can. With any luck, he could reach the level of popularity and prestige that Esteban attained, who actually built experimental LRLs and showed photos of them, describing the components inside. By searching and finding physics theories that sound logical to a layman, he might be able trick people into thinking he actually invented and built working LRLs and made fantastic recoveries without actually showing any real evidence that he did.

It seemed like a cool plan, but there was one problem. It was easy to discover his sources. I was able to discover he had copied the writing found on Tom Bearden's website. But as it turned out, the writing he pasted actually came from Myron Evans website, an associate of Bearden who also had the same text on his website: http://174.132.129.189/~moreland/forums/showpost.php?p=52000&postcount=13

But where are these sources of pseudoscience?
We find many of Dr. hung's posts contain conglomerates of copy/paste and paraphrased text from a number of websites that are often found linked together on web pages dedicated to free energy, levitation, UFO conspiracies, and other pseudoscience websites. We discovered hung has been learning his physics from a number of quack physics promoters such as Myron Evans, Tom Bearden and others. As an example, Dr. hung once tipped us off to where we could find the sources for his science arguments when he posted here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=32

...WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE TO QUESTION EVANS, HUTCHINSON, CATHIE, FLAMARION, TT BROWN, ETC.???!

So there you have it...
You don't even need to listen to Dr. hung's HungScience teachings to know what his argument is.
You can read it directly from the source by visiting his favorite "science websites":

Myron Evans: http://www.aias.us/
Tom Bearden: http://www.cheniere.org/
John Hutchinson: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/
Bruce Cathie: http://www.whale.to/m/cathie.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2190350/World-GridBruce-Cathie-Chemtrails-UFOs-secret-bases-New-Zealand-

http://books.google.com/books?id=AlwXwiYSEm0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22bruce+cathie%22&source=bl&ots=M3RIV--GT9&sig=1SCwY3FLFmK36Hax1am-ujOZMfs&hl=en&ei=7xMLTd22Co2isAPykNGGCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=yc4LRZgiyZoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22bruce+cathie%22&source=bl&ots=xEiqMMI8ix&sig=9pBPcf_D6aY4HCrq533hLFl7-WE&hl=en&ei=wBYLTc3tF5CosQPfv6S0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

Camille Flammarion: http://www.archive.org/stream/atmosp...miala_djvu.txt
TT Brown: http://qualight.com/


So what's wrong with learning from these sources?
The theories are wrong, and recognizable as wrong by fatal errors in the math that invalidate the theories, and which are proven wrong by the failure to produce any working apparatus to operate using these theories.

Examples?

Myron Evans claims he revealed a unified theory of physics which unifies general relativity, quantum mechanics, and electromagnetism. The theory has been used to justify the motionless electromagnetic generator, a perpetual motion (over unity) machine that produces free power from a vacuum.

The problem:
1. The math Evans used to show how his version of a unified theory is wrong. It has not only math errors, but also logical errors and mis-applied math, with fatal errors that make the theory impossible to support theoretically. See details here: http://opensys.blogsome.com/2005/07/...myron-w-evans/
and here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pd.../0612026v1.pdf
And very fine detail here: http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/GCUFT.html
2. Evans theory is not published in the standard electronic archives, and no reference to ECE theory can be spotted in any of the peer reviewed scientific journals. It exists only on private websites where it is kept away from peer review.
3. There is no experimental data to back up the claims Myron Evans made for his unified theory, and a large mass of data to suggest he is wrong.
4. Since the time Myron Evans announced his unified theory and claimed we can get free energy from a vacuum, there has appeared no practical application of ECE theory which delivers any free energy from a vacuum as Myron Evans stated. The few attempts to build working apparatus resulted in failures which Myron Evans could not solve to provide the free energy he assured us is available. Nor have we seen any other application of anything useful from the flawed theories of Myron Evans.



Tom Bearden claims he did the following:
he unified Physics
revealed an exact scientifically proven method to cure cancer, leukemia and AIDS
revealed the "fundamental" secret of over-unity
revealed the "final secret" of free energy
showed how to deactivate radioactive materials
proved electromagnetism is a longitudinal phenomena like a sound wave
proved all the fundamentals of modern EM theory are wrong
proved that only "corroded" or "contaminated" materials are suitable for over-unity research. The worse the quality of the materials, the better
invented a "MEG" that outputs 7-100 times the amount of input power
deserves "more than a Nobel prize" for his work listed above

The problem:
1. The math Bearden used to calculate his free power machines shows he does not understand basic textbook physics. But worse, he doesn't understand the basic math needed for measuring power, such as P = VI = V²/R = I²R/ and the associated AC sine wave power equations. This is understandable considering he purchsed a fake PHD from Trinity College and University.
2. There is no experimental data to back up any of the above claims, and a large mass of data to suggest he is wrong.
3. In the past 7 years since he revealed all these secrets, invented the MEG over-unity generator, and revealed the final secret of free energy, we haven't seen a single example of any of his secrets working. Where is the free power? where are the new medical tools that cure cancer, leukemia and AIDs? See more of the details here: http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf


Is there any use to continue down the list of sources for HungScience?
His sources are all examples of applying really bad math to an unrelated set of arbitrary information or to flawed logical arguments -- sometimes interlaced with references to the Bible, spiritism, ESP, UFOs and other interesting "physics proofs". Bruce Cathie actually started his research and theories after he had an encounter with a UFO sighting.


Maybe this explains why hung's posts make him appear either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or he uses a lot of cutting and pasting ...
It also explains why he is wrong, and what drove him to learn from these pseudoscientist when he developed what we call HungScience.


When Rudy says "There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics",....
We can now understand why Dr. hung replies: "Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense".
We see how he needs to use "common sense" to "know he is right" instead of using math and the experimental evidence that proves he is wrong.
Hey, this method worked for all those pseudoscientists he learned from... why not for him?

(Hint: the sources hung learned from do not post in the Geotech forum. There is nobody answering their posts to tell them they are wrong. They continue as unchallenged hero's on forums that do not require they should be prepared to get challenged when they make extraordinary claims).


Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317

[pebe]

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317

And only someone as thick as Hung would attempt to provide a counter argument to that!

[hung]

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results.

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

[Fred]

Man, this is getting serious.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Err, ah, hmm, FRED, about the wording "HUNG"??? Is that essential to being a successful gigolo? Or does it have an unwarranted humiliating effect on many sceptics?

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s No, being a gigolo was never included in my worldly experiences, which J_P missed out on by being a model citizen, sigh, sniff.

[Fred]

Err, ah, hmm, FRED, about the wording "HUNG"??? Is that essential to being a successful gigolo? Or does it have an unwarranted humiliating effect on many sceptics?
Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s No, being a gigolo was never included in my worldly experiences, which J_P missed out on by being a model citizen, sigh, sniff.

I don´t know DJ_LM , i am no specialist.But i wonder why, amongs several words, that one attracted your attention.

[J_Player]

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317

And only someone as thick as Hung would attempt to provide a counter argument to that!

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

You were right..!!!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

So, if you dowse long enough in enough locations with an LRL, you are bound to occasionally get lucky.

From these finds, you develop some theory as to why you were successful.

Pretty soon, you start to develop subordinate theories to explain the many occasions that you get skunked and find nothing (e.g. the rain the night before dissipated the ionic field, wind was too strong, ...).

Got it. I now understand.

[J_Player]

So, if you dowse long enough in enough locations with an LRL, you are bound to occasionally get lucky.

From these finds, you develop some theory as to why you were successful.

Pretty soon, you start to develop subordinate theories to explain the many occasions that you get skunked and find nothing (e.g. the rain the night before dissipated the ionic field, wind was too strong, ...).

Got it. I now understand.

Are you sure about this?
Could it be that Dr. hung heard about a report that a friend of a friend saw a youtube movie that showed a motor spinning hooked up to a battery and caused a light to light, and this proves the Bedini motor works, and all Evans/Bearden/Hutchinson theories are really, really true?
(still waiting for some free electricity so I don't need to pay electric bills).

Oops, I forgot... all this HungScience is a secret.
Do you suppose Dr. hung has abundant free electrical power to light up all his stacks of gold bullion and statues so they sparkle late into the night?
Do his servants scrape off the substance that coats the surface of his gold every day and save it in barrels to be sold as anti-corrosion mystery oil?
Does he he pay his electrical bills to conceal the fact that he has implemented the free energy from a vacuum generator hidden behind the trash cans?
Does he still drive an obsolete car to conceal the fact he prefers to travel in his intergalactic space ship?
Does he slave away at his janitor job so people won't suspect he is independently wealthy from all the fabulous treasures he has recovered?
Does he go bowling with the boys from the janitor service on Tuesday nights instead of attending parties with alien dignitaries from distant planets, so people won't suspect he is cooler than the average dude on the block?

Best wishes,
J_P