H3Tec discussion

[Rudy]

This is correct for nuclear magnetic resonance.

But there are two problems...

1. H3Tec is claiming the silver in Carl's bar does not contain the stable isotope of silver (Ag109) that their machine was set for, so it could not be detected. Is there such a thing as any silver on earth that does not have about half of this isotope, whether in coins, bars, silver plating, or silver compounds?

Well, since the H3Tec folks are truthful and ethical folks, we could only conclude that Carl spent a fortune in centrifuging several metric tons of silver atoms, to accumulate enough of the rare isotope to smelt a silver bar with. How else could the instrument have been fooled?

2. H3Tec is claiming the selected atoms are "excited" within the grid area (up to 10 miles) distant from their machine that is powered by two 9v batteries designed to last for 8 hours while also powering the internal processor and memory. Is this possible for two 9v batteries to broadcast that amount of energy for 8 hours while powering the internal electronics?

Best wishes,
J_P

No, specially when the antenna (aka dowsing rod) is cut the wrong wavelength and pointed in the direction which provides the target the least amount of energy. Also, consider that the reflected signal energy density, small to begin with, is sent out by the target isotropically and the collecting antenna (aka dowsing rod) subtends an infinitesimally small arc of a sphere 10 mile in radius and the least sensitive part of the antenna is pointed in the direction of the signal.

Nope the 9 V batteries won't do it. The machine needs to be powered by a fuel cell fed by high octane organic bovine fertilizer in order to function.

[Qiaozhi]

No. Actually protons do have a better response to longer pulses when they receive weak magnetic field emanations.
Consider the classic NMR aproach done in hospitals where huge magnets are used to a particular purpose. But don't forget that this brute force can well be discarded for the same task employing optical NMR.
Remember, resonance is still resonance under weak or strong magnetic fields.
10,000 times. Not 10 million. Not only they can but also they should, as they are the fastest and practical mean to input those signals as I already posted, based on research done. They can be much more selective to noise in weak fields and currents than ordinary electronic 'parafernalia'.
Again, the rods or needles, etc, are currently the most qualified sensors to deal with those low intensity fields and extreme long wavelenghts. At this very moment, an european apparatus with a giant loop and based on a russian model is employing the NMR principle but using earth's own magnetic fields and applying pulses of different lengths to receive responses from water molecules well bellow the underground.
Only problem is the noise they can still not get rid of as the field response decreases in amplitude when bellow 40 meters. This just does not happen with a 'dowsing rod' for the reasons I explained in my post to Dave. But it's going in the right direction.
The problem in what you post above is the misconcept of an electron as particle. I already talked about this here. By simply implying the photonic concept, we prove the electron is a wave and not a particle. If it was a particle its speed around the nucleous would be around 268 times the speed of light which is impossible. There is no particle and no quantum leap. The electron simply exists in the atom as a standing wave and as a wave it presents variable wavelength. And thus, everything changes and whole interactions of fields are natural.

Sometimes you become almost lucid. It's as if someone else is posting on your behalf.
Either that, or the cut-and-paste method is working well.

[Rudy]

No. Actually protons do have a better response to longer pulses when they receive weak magnetic field emanations.
Consider the classic NMR aproach done in hospitals where huge magnets are used to a particular purpose. But don't forget that this brute force can well be discarded for the same task employing optical NMR.

Your assertion of proton response to pulse width is immaterial. What pulse width? The patent discusses what is known as continuous NMR and not Fourier spectrum or pulsed NMR. Yes, in a pulsed NMR under earth sized magnetic field, the pulse width needs to be wide enough to have a fundamental and or low harmonics in the range of the NMR frequency at the low magnetic field. But the patent discusses continuous NMR, were an RF signal is used, as in a sinusoid, not a pulse. This is further elaborated in the patent where building the circuitry with OP amps and band-pass filters are used in the preferrred embodiment.

Are you saying the dowsing rod is really a fiber optic device?

Remember, resonance is still resonance under weak or strong magnetic fields.

Yes it is. As long as you know about resonance, can you explain what "Q" is in relation to resonance?

10,000 times. Not 10 million. Not only they can but also they should, as they are the fastest and practical mean to input those signals as I already posted, based on research done. They can be much more selective to noise in weak fields and currents than ordinary electronic 'parafernalia'.

The NMR frequency goes from 900,000,000 Hertz at 21 Teslas, to audio range, say 20,000 Hz at earth's field. Since the photon energy is given by its frequency, I'll let you divide the two numbers yourself.

The problem in what you post above is the misconcept of an electron as particle. I already talked about this here. By simply implying the photonic concept, we prove the electron is a wave and not a particle. If it was a particle its speed around the nucleous would be around 268 times the speed of light which is impossible. There is no particle and no quantum leap. The electron simply exists in the atom as a standing wave and as a wave it presents variable wavelength. And thus, everything changes and whole interactions of fields are natural.

I never mentioned electrons. I was discussing Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (Keyword underlined), as in nuclei. Nothing to do with electrons. Just the magnetic dipole of the nucleus of the atoms.

I don't really care (in the context of the H3Tec) how fast electrons move around the nucleus, nor wether you to take into consideration their relativistic mass as they orbit. It has nothing to do with the discussion.

If you want to discuss the particle/wave duality of matter, a subject dear to my heart, maybe you should start a new thread in the appropriate board?

[Rudy]

Although the patent mentions NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) the device is claimed to work by NIR (Nano-Ionic Resonance) whatever that is. Which sounds suspiciously similar to Mineoro's theory of operation. The term "NIR" is also shown as a trademark on their website, which (as far as I can ascertain) has never been registered as a trademark.

Me thinks that since Nuclear Magnetic Resonance was a descriptive phrase already in the public domain, they needed to find an alternative jazzy phrase that they could trademark to create product differentiation in the mind of the gullible. That is, "Why is my expensive dowsing rod different than the other expensive dowsing rods?" Note that saying "My expensive dowsing rod doesn't work any better than the other expensive dowsing rods in the market." Is not conducive to sales.

™ doesn't need to be registered with the patent & trademark office. Only ® has to be registered with them.

[hung]

'Nothing to do with electrons'... Really?? He,he,he,..
Next you will also say the outdated standard model will explain everything without even considering torsion, right?

I quit.
Some of us are like animals that were kept in captivity almost the whole life, and then when the gate is open, they don't know what to do.


PS. Meanwhile over TNET Ike has put Carl's back against the wall with a VERY interesting challenge. Much more than Carl's own BS.
Let's see how it develops.

Bye Geoskepthic.

[Rudy]

'Nothing to do with electrons'... Really?? He,he,he,..
Next you will also say the outdated standard model will explain everything without even considering torsion, right?

I quit.
Some of us are like animals that were kept in captivity almost the whole life, and then when the gate is open, they don't know what to do.


PS. Meanwhile over TNET Ike has put Carl's back against the wall with a VERY interesting challenge. Much more than Carl's own BS.
Let's see how it develops.

Bye Geoskepthic.

You keep throwing mud at the wall, hoping something will stick. Well, it isn't sticking. Maybe it is because of that new neutrino the standard model never predicted?

[Qiaozhi]

PS. Meanwhile over TNET Ike has put Carl's back against the wall with a VERY interesting challenge. Much more than Carl's own BS.
Let's see how it develops.

Bye Geoskepthic.

Well ... I've just been over to TNET to take a look at Carl getting his "back against the wall".
What an absolute zoo it is over there! After about 5 to 10 minutes I couldn't stand it anymore. I've never seem so much BS from so many dowsing and LRL bigots.
Carl posted a list of companies that do not sell LRLs, and it totally confused the resident female (and the funny farm boys). For some reason they decided the list contained all the companies that do sell LRLs. Considering the fact that none of the usual suspects were in the list, including H3Tec (got to include that to stay on topic ) they were all totally bemused and started running around like headless chickens.
In all the BS posts I read there was no evidence that Carl was up against the wall, only an enormous amount of mutual back slapping and psuedo-scientific claptrap.

[Art3811]

A few months ago I bought some orthopedic shoes. I went out to the car in the rain and drove off. The first stop sign my foot slipped on the brake pedal. This happened to me a few times before I reached home. These shoes have a hard plastic area in the arch. So if I wanted to wear these comfortable shoes I would have to change how I braked my car. I found that I would have to move my heel about one inch backward and my whole foot about another 3 inches to the left. I stared to think about it and try to move my foot to the exact spot where I wanted it. I have been practicing this for two months and over time I did not have to think much about doing it.
Today a car slide though a stop sign in the snow and I had to hit the brakes fast..No thinking just a natural reaction. Gentlemen..that action was a “Trained Ideomotor” Response….Art

[Rudy]

Carl posted a list of companies that do not sell LRLs, and it totally confused the resident female (and the funny farm boys).

Great idea Qiaozhi. We need a resident female, specially a pretty one with brains. Even if she works at H3Tec (got to include that to stay on topic ). Someone like ...

[Kevco]

When I see these pseudo-scientific terms to explain dowsing, it seems so much like trying to make up new reasons, to replace the old reasons that got debunked. Electromagnetics (EM), electrons, neutrinos, etc - everything that most dowsers don't understand, but throw those terms around

When I hear about EM as the reason, someone could shield the targets within a mu-metal (magnetic) shield, and an electrostatic field shield, to guarantee it's not EM as the cause. But EM is not the explanation for it.

As I posted elsewhere here, I *did* get into dowsing for a short time. But here's the kicker that caused me to drop the whole thing.... I had heard about map dowsing, which I had done. I also heard about "mentally" dowsing for individual people, using maps. Well I tried it, followed their route across the city (a large metro area), and went downstairs to the door, when I saw they were just two blocks from my house. They drove up in seconds. When he got to the door, I confirmed which of the many possible routes he could have taken, and he took the same route I followed him on the map. Although he could have taken the short route from work, he took a longer route, over different bridges, and through different suburbs. But how can this be based on true laws of physics? NO! Why can I track one person, in a community of 1/2 million people? It's not a physical law causing it.

I had hoped it was some undiscovered physical law, as my major was physics - but finding specific humans fails that test. And for other reasons (more related to "religion"), I dropped it. It seemed very occultic, so I dropped it cold turkey - ~25 years ago. But at this point, I will end this post, so not to drag religion into it.

[Qiaozhi]

When I see these pseudo-scientific terms to explain dowsing, it seems so much like trying to make up new reasons, to replace the old reasons that got debunked. Electromagnetics (EM), electrons, neutrinos, etc - everything that most dowsers don't understand, but throw those terms around

When I hear about EM as the reason, someone could shield the targets within a mu-metal (magnetic) shield, and an electrostatic field shield, to guarantee it's not EM as the cause. But EM is not the explanation for it.

As I posted elsewhere here, I *did* get into dowsing for a short time. But here's the kicker that caused me to drop the whole thing.... I had heard about map dowsing, which I had done. I also heard about "mentally" dowsing for individual people, using maps. Well I tried it, followed their route across the city (a large metro area), and went downstairs to the door, when I saw they were just two blocks from my house. They drove up in seconds. When he got to the door, I confirmed which of the many possible routes he could have taken, and he took the same route I followed him on the map. Although he could have taken the short route from work, he took a longer route, over different bridges, and through different suburbs. But how can this be based on true laws of physics? NO! Why can I track one person, in a community of 1/2 million people? It's not a physical law causing it.

I had hoped it was some undiscovered physical law, as my major was physics - but finding specific humans fails that test. And for other reasons (more related to "religion"), I dropped it. It seemed very occultic, so I dropped it cold turkey - ~25 years ago. But at this point, I will end this post, so not to drag religion into it.

Well, I have to say, you did the right thing.

Although Hung would never believe it [what a skeptic ] all confirmed skeptics have actually tried dowsing for themselves. That is of course how they came to the conclusion that it cannot be used to locate anything except gravity or (in the case of dowsing rod salesmen) the contents of other people's wallets. But it must be emphasized that their use in the latter context does not involve the ideomotor effect. The people who remain beguiled by the ideomotor effect, and who are compelled to promote this medieval practice, lack any real scientific background. Some are self-confessed hillbillys with nothing more than a limited education, whereas others are pseudo-scientists who are impressed by scientific sounding words such as "Aharanov-Bohm magnetic dipole".

The same goes for ouija boards. These are fascinating items, and can scare the hell out of you if you don't understand the ideomotor effect. This (like the popular Victorian parlour trick of table tipping) is a dramatic way to experience this strange phenomenon. But once you've played around with the ouija board for a while it soon becomes clear that questions are only answered correctly if at least one person in the group knows the answer. A good test is to ask a question that only someone outside the group knows. The ouija board will get the answer wrong. Then include this person in the group, and the correct answer is revealed. The ouija board has absolutely nothing to do with contacting the spirit world, but everything to do with the ideomotor effect. It's a really eerie experience, but perfectly explainable by science. If you ask the question, "What are next week's lottery numbers?", then it doesn't matter who is in the group. There is no treasure to be discovered with a ouija board, and the same goes for a dowsing rod (or even the H3Tec device - to stay on topic).

To Hung - don't think that the skeptics have dismissed your nonsense ideas out of hand. They've all been there, seen it, and done it. Then dismissed it as nonsense.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK"

[J_Player]

A few months ago I bought some orthopedic shoes. I went out to the car in the rain and drove off. The first stop sign my foot slipped on the brake pedal. This happened to me a few times before I reached home. These shoes have a hard plastic area in the arch. So if I wanted to wear these comfortable shoes I would have to change how I braked my car. I found that I would have to move my heel about one inch backward and my whole foot about another 3 inches to the left. I stared to think about it and try to move my foot to the exact spot where I wanted it. I have been practicing this for two months and over time I did not have to think much about doing it. [/FONT]
Today a car slide though a stop sign in the snow and I had to hit the brakes fast..No thinking just a natural reaction. Gentlemen..that action was a “Trained Ideomotor” Response….Art

Ummmm....
Got any H3Tec news Art?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Well ... I've just been over to TNET to take a look at Carl getting his "back against the wall".
What an absolute zoo it is over there! After about 5 to 10 minutes I couldn't stand it anymore. I've never seem so much BS from so many dowsing and LRL bigots.
Carl posted a list of companies that do not sell LRLs, and it totally confused the resident female (and the funny farm boys). For some reason they decided the list contained all the companies that do sell LRLs. Considering the fact that none of the usual suspects were in the list, including H3Tec (got to include that to stay on topic ) they were all totally bemused and started running around like headless chickens.
In all the BS posts I read there was no evidence that Carl was up against the wall, only an enormous amount of mutual back slapping and psuedo-scientific claptrap.

Hmmmm... Is Tnet their secret bunker?
If so, it appears they debunkered and came here for awhile.
I guess they are rebunkered back at Tnet again. But a few of them keep leaking out.

Best wishes,
J_P

[dummywhacker]

Well ... I've just been over to TNET to take a look at Carl getting his "back against the wall".
What an absolute zoo it is over there! After about 5 to 10 minutes I couldn't stand it anymore. I've never seem so much BS from so many dowsing and LRL bigots.
Carl posted a list of companies that do not sell LRLs, and it totally confused the resident female (and the funny farm boys). For some reason they decided the list contained all the companies that do sell LRLs. Considering the fact that none of the usual suspects were in the list, including H3Tec (got to include that to stay on topic ) they were all totally bemused and started running around like headless chickens.
In all the BS posts I read there was no evidence that Carl was up against the wall, only an enormous amount of mutual back slapping and psuedo-scientific claptrap.

Maybe you should go back and read it again. The question was asked "Who sells LRL's ?" and Carl replied with a list of all the well known MD manufacturers. If anybody "decided" that the list contained companies that do sell LRL's it was Carl...as he was the one that posted it.

[J_Player]

Hmmmm... Is Tnet their secret bunker?
If so, it appears they debunkered and came here for awhile.
I guess they are rebunkered back at Tnet again. But a few of them keep leaking out.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yup... they're leaking out for sure....

Best wishes,
J_P