Mineoro FG79-Happy new Year

[WM6]

Hahaha... thanks.
I believe to LRL but not to Karma.
You are the oposite from me

Yes, but Karma can reach you more remotely than LRL. There is no distance limits for Karma. Ask Mr. Hung. He believes in $$-reincarnation out of nothing.

[J_Player]

....no problem if there are errors. As you see the only job of Atmel is to gives a square wave to the "champer" and to drive the buzzer, so with 2 NE555 we don't need the Atmel. But the problem is not the Atmel but the way that Mineoro works. It uses one input for 2 signals, the signal from champer who must be only from gold (the reason of sample) and the signal from Loop. So when it will beep, you don't know if the signal it is from gold, from other metal or from electric lines.......

Hi Geo,
There is more to see in the circuit you posted.
We see two signals feeding to one input at Q1, as you say. Then after these two signals are amplified and filtered, we see they emerge as a single signal at Q3 which is sent to one input of the Atmel processor.
The same signal is also sent through an adjustable resistor divider, then sent to another Atmel input.

So we now see how Mineoro is thinking about circuit design...
Combine two signals into the same input.
Then take the single signal output and split it into two signals to send to a processor.

This may seem a strange circuit approach to sent the same signal to both inputs of a processor with different strengths.
Are you sure the purpose of the processor is to compare these signals?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Astrodetect]

Hi all and Happy New year
As for the Mineoro the atmel is used to generate the square pulses for the ion chamber
but also it uses the on board analog voltage comparator of the chip, and this is the true
classifier. What does it do? The pulses of the ion chanber gold leaf are fed to the voltage comparator and if the mineoro senses gold ions then the amplitude of the sharp pulses rises and the mineoro beeps. This is the supposed clasifier which works with the gold sample.
Regards

[Morgan]

Square pulses

Hi all and Happy New year
As for the Mineoro the atmel is used to generate the square pulses for the ion chamber
but also it uses the on board analog voltage comparator of the chip, and this is the true
classifier. What does it do? The pulses of the ion chanber gold leaf are fed to the voltage comparator and if the mineoro senses gold ions then the amplitude of the sharp pulses rises and the mineoro beeps. This is the supposed clasifier which works with the gold sample.
Regards

That´s the theory,but the experience shows the MINEORO is not so good as GOLD LRL,unfortunatly...

[J_Player]

That´s the theory,but the experience shows the MINEORO is not so good as GOLD LRL,unfortunatly...

Exactly....
The theory does not matter if the product does not work. We see Mineoro has removed their theory of Romeo and Juliet love ions making a crashing to send a signal to Q1. You will no longer find this theory on the Mineoro page:

...This explains the substance classifier. When the negative "ion" finds its twin of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensively, that when they get together they provoke a short-circuit autodestroying themselves. As in the Romeo and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of poison near them; in the same way, our "passionate ions" also leave a proof of their death in "emiting a crash", which generates an electrical signal so fast as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds , detectable in sensitive electronic circuits...

As for the Mineoro the atmel is used to generate the square pulses for the ion chamber
but also it uses the on board analog voltage comparator of the chip, and this is the true
classifier. What does it do? The pulses of the ion chanber gold leaf are fed to the voltage comparator and if the mineoro senses gold ions then the amplitude of the sharp pulses rises and the mineoro beeps. This is the supposed clasifier which works with the gold sample.

Hi Astrodetect,
This is very interesting information. How did you come to know the Atmel is sending the signal to make a comparison using the on-board voltage comparator?
Do you know what they are comparing the signal voltage to? A preset voltage level? Or another signal that is generated inside the processor?
Did you find the code for this processor? Can you share it?

I am still trying to understand why they split the final signal into two different voltages and fed the same signal to two inputs at the Atmel. To me this does not make sense unless they are doing some advanced signal processing beyond simple comparator functions. Do you have knowledge of the processor code to show us what functions are being done with these two input signals inside the AT89C2051?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

...This explains the substance classifier. When the negative "ion" finds its twin of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensively, that when they get together they provoke a short-circuit autodestroying themselves. As in the Romeo and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of poison near them; in the same way, our "passionate ions" also leave a proof of their death in "emiting a crash", which generates an electrical signal so fast as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds , detectable in sensitive electronic circuits...

Whoever wrote the quaint piece above doesn't know the difference between two oppositely charged ions and a particle antiparticle pair.

Also, anything inside an Atmel chip is incapable of detecting a signal of femto or atto seconds duration. Detecting such signals require some pretty esoteric, high performance (ie. expensive) electronics.

[Fred]

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )

The only real electronics in there is the VLF/everything receiver that will pick up some radio signal (depending of your location, time of the day etc), and will look like "signal lines"... If you are really lucky you may even find that metallic objects may have some effect on this radio signals.

But that will never be a RELIABLE method to detect buried metal.
Also, the way the thing is build it will pick up all kinds of noise and will beep randomly, then selective memory and some target (ie P.M.) advertising will do the rest.

At this price it is worth the trouble.

[hung]

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )

The only real electronics in there is the VLF/everything receiver that will pick up some radio signal (depending of your location, time of the day etc), and will look like "signal lines"... If you are really lucky you may even find that metallic objects may have some effect on this radio signals.

But that will never be a RELIABLE method to detect buried metal.
Also, the way the thing is build it will pick up all kinds of noise and will beep randomly, then selective memory and some target (ie P.M.) advertising will do the rest.

At this price it is worth the trouble.

You are dign of pity.
So I will do my first charity of the year, offering you the opportunity of your life.
Here... It's all yours. FOR FREE.

http://www.electronicstheory.com/COURSES/ELECTRONICS/e101-1.htm

You cannot imagine how rewarding it is to help another soul to reach the light.

[J_Player]

You are dign of pity.
So I will do my first charity of the year, offering you the opportunity of your life.
Here... It's all yours. FOR FREE.

http://www.electronicstheory.com/COURSES/ELECTRONICS/e101-1.htm

You cannot imagine how rewarding it is to help another soul to reach the light.

When the world is closing in on you, punt and hope for the best.

What? It didn't work?
Still nobody believes you know what yer talking about?
How sad it is when you got busted for plagiarizing Damasio's scribblings that he removed from his web page when people figured out he was lying....
You still believe gold ions DNA produces a substance that fights against oxidation?
Oh well....

Now back to what we were talking about...

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )

The only real electronics in there is the VLF/everything receiver that will pick up some radio signal (depending of your location, time of the day etc), and will look like "signal lines"... If you are really lucky you may even find that metallic objects may have some effect on this radio signals.

But that will never be a RELIABLE method to detect buried metal.
Also, the way the thing is build it will pick up all kinds of noise and will beep randomly, then selective memory and some target (ie P.M.) advertising will do the rest.

At this price it is worth the trouble.

Ummmmm...
Now wait...
Maybe there is something here...

If the Mineoro owners wanted to make the appearance of high technology, they could have hidden the Atmel processor and added some weird tubes and antennas... (oops, they did)... nevermind...

Well... at least they sent the same signal to the processor twice... with different strengths.... don't that mean something?
I bet Dr. hung could explain it with elementary electronics... couldn't he?

Ok seriously... putting aside HungScience, I have seen a signal processing algorithm that uses the same signal twice at different strengths. And it is a very sophisticated and elegant solution to simplify a lot of analogue electronics. When applied to LRLs, only 2 or 3 people have ever heard of it or tried it. Those who did try the analogue version report that it works. I love to believe them, but I cannot truthfully say I have ever seen it working... only videos.

So where are we now?
Is there a new possibility?
Or is it simply another trick of the mind?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
There is more to see in the circuit you posted.
We see two signals feeding to one input at Q1, as you say. Then after these two signals are amplified and filtered, we see they emerge as a single signal at Q3 which is sent to one input of the Atmel processor.
The same signal is also sent through an adjustable resistor divider, then sent to another Atmel input.

So we now see how Mineoro is thinking about circuit design...
Combine two signals into the same input.
Then take the single signal output and split it into two signals to send to a processor.

This may seem a strange circuit approach to sent the same signal to both inputs of a processor with different strengths.
Are you sure the purpose of the processor is to compare these signals?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

I don't believe that is happening something strange because the same signal is going at two inputs.....
You don't believe that the gold (from the champer) gives a different signal than the signal from the Loop. If we have only one signal then the processor can't do anything more than to compare it.....
I am not good on programing processors so i can't tell more.....

Regards

[Geo]

Hi all and Happy New year
As for the Mineoro the atmel is used to generate the square pulses for the ion chamber
but also it uses the on board analog voltage comparator of the chip, and this is the true
classifier. What does it do? The pulses of the ion chanber gold leaf are fed to the voltage comparator and if the mineoro senses gold ions then the amplitude of the sharp pulses rises and the mineoro beeps. This is the supposed clasifier which works with the gold sample.
Regards

Γεια σου Δημητρη. Καλη Χρονια.

Hi Astrodetect... Happy new year. As i see and you... don't believe to the theory of Mineoro

Regards

[Geo]

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )

The only real electronics in there is the VLF/everything receiver that will pick up some radio signal (depending of your location, time of the day etc), and will look like "signal lines"... If you are really lucky you may even find that metallic objects may have some effect on this radio signals.

But that will never be a RELIABLE method to detect buried metal.
Also, the way the thing is build it will pick up all kinds of noise and will beep randomly, then selective memory and some target (ie P.M.) advertising will do the rest.

At this price it is worth the trouble.

Hi Fred.
I believe exactly the same with you. A simple VLF or LF receiver and nothing more.....
It seems that it is not a reliable method to detect a object from the results... there are a little cases where the owners found buried objects but all the other cases nothing. Also this is the reason who Mineoro speaks about humidity etc.....

Regards

[hung]

After 6 years, I see the true loop is the flow of information here...

[WM6]

After 6 years, I see the true loop is the flow of information here...

You need 6 years to see those signal lines?

[FrancoItaly]

Hi J_Player

I don't know the AT89C2051 , I know very well the PIC 16F... series. Some PICs have 2 comparators and an internal programmable reference voltage, if it's the same for
the AT89C2051 it's possible that the processor controls if the voltage is out of a window voltage. Of course 2 externals comparator do the same job.

Best Regards