MINERO

[robert]

Back to reallity...


O.K. Sony...we'll deal with those out of this forum...

Now...
This will be serious post without any of "words" from my
very rich dictionary!
I am writing this for occasional visitors (very rare) here, NOT
for "natives" here, cose i do not want to argue any more on this
very nonsence subject....
BUT AS LONG AS THIS NONSENCE LAST...THAT LONG I'LL CONTRIBUTE HERE
WITH MY MODEST OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES....JUST TO HELP TO
NEWBIES AND VERY RARE VISITORS HERE!!! IT IS MY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT!
AINT NO CARL, CAN DELETE THIS!!!
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"This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector.
This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold
although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present..."
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Gold (Au) does not produce ions...this is fact!!!
Even proximity or electrostatic field detector can NOT (impossible)
DETECT ANY KIND OF GOLD.......this is fact !!!
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"...Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.."
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Conclusions made after weeks of experimenting with a few mineoro
top models are not QUICK !!!
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"...low humidity real environment condition, which is needed for
the FG 80 to detect 'fresh' gold...."
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Real environment conditions are NOT LOW HUMIDITY !!! AND :
the FG 80 CAN NOT detect 'fresh' gold or any kind of gold...FACT !!!
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"This is a must for any researcher who decides to get this detector,
as humidity conditions can change dramatically in the field and the
researcher will promptly be aware of the detecting conditions. The
best is the digital model. Don't get the mechanical one which is prone
to misgaugings and several inconsistencies due to light transport bumps."
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I am very lured to use some of "words" on this...but i will not!
So many craps in a few sentences !!!?????
Somebody once said that mineoro acts like "Tribal Quack" !!!
How true it is! You have to fulfill so many conditions to make it "work"...
ts,ts,ts,ts....even if fulfill all of those it still NOT WORKING, it
still RANDOM BEEPS ! This is fact!!!
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"...Mineoro's claim about the humidity factor..."
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Mineoro have million claims about infinite number of factors so they can
always have good reason why their machine NOT WORKING AT ALL !!!!
This open so many excuses against customer apeals later !!!
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"...My gold ring was picked up from about 5 foot easily and consistently..."
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And my gold ring (11g..999) was picked up from 8 foot easily and consistently
with FG78....Later i repeated with cola can, some iron, glass of water,soldering
iron( off and on)....and empty hand too. When no object or hands at all...again
random BEEPs from time to time !!!! No rule! I found out that FG78 picked up all
present FM radio signals.....When went deep in mountains where supposed to be
a lack of any hum and industrial signals, it BEEPS rarely in any direction....
again no rule....random!!! Also picked up strong FM radio again....
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"...AND IT GOT PICKED BY THE INFRARED IN THE IONIC CHAMBER..."
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WHATTTTT !!!??? HA,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!!! Again ionic chamber but now it is
with some INFRARED !!!????? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha..!!!!!!!!!
Ionic chamber OYE ! Ionic chamber all the time, oye,oye !!!
Muchos ionicos chamberos segnor...oye,oye!!!
THERE IS NOT ANY IONIC CHAMBER IN IT !!!! Either missinformation either wrong
understanding of terms and English language !?
Infrared !????? What is infrared in or about it???
I disected few models so far....nothing ionic and nothing infrared in it !!!!!
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Epilogue
According to my modest(i am not honest here) knowledge i can presume what are
mineoro FG78 and FG80 and simillars....
Those machines are nothing more than mystified Zahori-look-like devices...
First Ivconic made Zahori, than i made it...than both of us took FG78 again
to test and disect it(first time we done that in february as i remember)...
Comparing FG78 with Zahori behavior, we dug conclusion that those are the very
same machines, only made different way!!!! I can even add that Zahori showed
much better and much reliable performances than FG78...
There are not random beeps at Zahori.It beeps only when AC e field is nearby.
Depending of power and radius of that field the distance is longer or shorter..
But FG78 showed much more instabillity and noticeable shorter range of detection!
Ivconic later added much better audio on Zahori, than performances became much
better...
I DO RECOMMEND EVERYBODY INTERESTED TO BUILD ZAHORI AND LATER TO EXPERIMENT WITH IT.
Trust me: What you gain with Zahori would be much better than what you suppose to
gain with any of mineoro model ever!!!
One more thing: Zahori will cost you aprox. $10 to $15 to build, but to buy
any mineoro......hell money!

Many Thanks to Esteban who persisted on Zahori subject such long time and to Ivconic
who added such rich and nice audio on it!!!
BE SMART! BE SCEPTIC! BE CLEVER! DO NOT BELEIVE IN EVERY"SWEET" CLAIM HERE!
DO NOT LET YOUR SWEET DREAMS LEAD YOU TO BUST!
Best regards!

[ikarus.nu]

If only a ball pen creates more than 50v! of electric field,

the mineoro is a really crap.

Electrons are everywhere, even ir you clothes. And to detect alpha radiation (protons) u will need a mica tube with a geiger counter. And a proton does not travel more than 5 meters (if you are out of a lept), radiactive stuff like pechblenda (uranite) shoots alpha radiation (and betta and gamma), but don't try to discover if the mineoro works like a geiger counter or you'll die by Cancer.

Even if you want to receive rf induced signals, there are trillions only of harmonics in the nature.

Last thing... If you want to do a very accurate ion catcher, get an OPA128 and do a profesional electrometer, u'll can read electrostatic voltages from charges of 40 femto amperes.

See you

[robert]

Good point!!!


Ikarus.nu...you are so RIGHT !!!
But some people here know that better, only they have to do what
are they payed for!
If this wasnt case, than i am 100% sure they be absolute ignorants!
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OPA128 is interesting hint! I've been using TLC272,CA3130/3140 and
in some cases NE5532/5534...
Now,I'll try OPA128 for sure!
What's story about OP37 ?
But no matter those experiments of mine....I am absolutelly sure
there is no way TO DETECT ITEMS THEY CLAIMING TO BE WITH THEIR
MINEOROS !!! NO SUCH THING!!
Fairy tales!
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You mentioned some devices.....see picture...
I've been experimenting on that "field" for some years...
regards

[robert]

ts...ts...ts

devices...

[goldfinder]

To Robert

Military equipment and looks modified. I did a check and found no reference to M118. So would you tell us what the equipment is. I too have been working on "detecting the field". I figured you must know something as your info re ion and electrostatic field detection is pretty much right on.

Otherwise send email to goldfinder@excite.com if you want to trade stories and info.

Best Regards,
Goldfinder

[robert]

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Yes Goldfinger...it is military geiger counter.
But label is DR-M11B.
Serbian army used it long time ago.
Is it Serbian product or not, i am not sure at all.
From my earlier experiences i already know that many devices
Serbian army used (former Yugoslavian army) are mostly USA products,
like many models of radios from RCA and Motorola etc..etc..
I still have in my showroom famous ANGRC-9 (GRC-9) SW radio
USA product....it was used in Vietnam,Cambodia...Korea
The very same radio Yugoslavian manufacturers reproduced for
army needs in period 195x-196x (i am not sure), by some
military contract between USA and Yugoslavia, at the time.
SO i presume a lot of other devices comes here the simillar
way. Many of devices are whole Serbian products(EI Nis), but many
of those are not, but licenced, mostly from USA.
I bought this counter on second hand market. It is quite
accurate. Works very fine. I was experimenting with it like
with many more devices i have, just to establish some sort
of cognitions....
The smaller device is digital gas detector, some French
product (i presume since had label on French)....
But i was modding it many times, as you can see some wires
out of small hole....I used MAX232 (Carl's section..)
to convert some signals from it and later analyze with
some pc software....Various experiments so far...
It will need much more space to explain those..but i guess
no need for that. This suppose not to be place to bug other
people with my wierd ideas for now..
My main interest are metal detectors, since i am not expert
for those(i do consider myself a sort of expert for radio only)
i collected so many various detectors(proximity,gas,ef,infra...
ultra..., radio..., blah,blah..etc) so i can experiment,mod,
crack,compare.....etc.
All of that due to learn more,understand
more,gain more....
I am in ages(40) which are hard to start all over
again...so i am trying somehow to eke all those about m.detectors
i have been missing so far...A lot of has been done so far!(over
15 years)
That's why,i am so "brave" to come here and claim some claims!
I do not have any paper or data more on this counter...
If you have or manage to find something more about it, please come here
again and post it. I would like to experiment more with it.
I would try to trace schematic of it and later to post on this forum
if somebody interested, although it's not a big deal. A lot of newer
and easier geiger counter projects you may find already on the .net
....
regards

[ikarus.nu]

get this geiger plans:

http://www.cientificosaficionados.co...er/geiger3.htm

it's in spanish so if you don't understand anything, ask me.

[ikarus.nu]

and a neutron counter:

http://www.cientificosaficionados.co.../neutrones.htm

greetings

[Gilmar]

LRL -DCH-85 pistola

Hi, I am an analyst for Systems, I have no connection with Mineoro, I do not sell Mineoro, most have a detector DCH-85 pistol bought in 1994, when the occasion was in manufacturing, I made several test in Campo during this time and found that this model pistol DCH-85 is not ideal sensitivity to detect gold, and that in a way not in searches in the security field. If possible I would like information on this model FG-80, because I have doubts about the workings of this new model.

Detectors that has:

DCH-85 pistol - I have not had any success.

08 MI-Two boxes Very Good - has been found several pieces of silver and 01 gold.

Bandido II - Very Good-finding 03 Currencies Silver date 1889 Empire Brazil

I would like to see in a field test this new model of Mineoro LRL detectors.



Thank you.

[hung]

Hi, I am an analyst for Systems, I have no connection with Mineoro, I do not sell Mineoro, most have a detector DCH-85 pistol bought in 1994, when the occasion was in manufacturing, I made several test in Campo during this time and found that this model pistol DCH-85 is not ideal sensitivity to detect gold, and that in a way not in searches in the security field. If possible I would like information on this model FG-80, because I have doubts about the workings of this new model.

Detectors that has:

DCH-85 pistol - I have not had any success.

08 MI-Two boxes Very Good - has been found several pieces of silver and 01 gold.

Bandido II - Very Good-finding 03 Currencies Silver date 1889 Empire Brazil

I would like to see in a field test this new model of Mineoro LRL detectors.



Thank you.

Gilmar, me mande uma mensagem em privado através desse forum. Lá escreva seu email. Vamos conversar. Tenho muitas informações para voce.

Abraços.

[Fred]

The spider has found a prey.
Or not?

[Gilmar]

LRLs

Hello, Thank you for your attention, more if we can exchange E-mail in the forum so that all the knowledge is passed to members of the list.

More leave my E-mail gilmarsilveirasc@yahoo.com

My thanks.

[Gilmar]

DC2008

Hi I would like to know if there any plans on making a device such as the DC2008, if someone could post a file on them.
Thank you

[Max]

Hi I would like to know if there any plans on making a device such as the DC2008, if someone could post a file on them.
Thank you

Hi,
why are you interested in it ? Seems doesn't work for real... apart... ehm... the w-mining issue!

Seems that about w-mining it's cool... instead!

Kind regards,
Max

[mosha]

DC2008

Hi I would like to know if there any plans on making a device such as the DC2008, if someone could post a file on them.
Thank you

Hi,

I own DC2008, it appear not working, after turn it on few minutes it lost calibration and start give random beeps in every direction. According to some EE the device has to be tuned to specific FR and broadcast only in brazil (I am not strong confident of that anyway).

I think some fellows in this forum (esteban, andreas and Nihil Roma Maius) have some good ideas of workable LRL principals, ask them if you want to build LRL, may be they can help you .

regards,
Mosha