MINERO

[Dell Winders]

Estaban, the person on the left in your 1981 Texas photo is Vic Scevers, another Treasaure hunter friend. I had the opportunity to use the Radio Frequency LRL in the field. When a radio station began broadcasting through the speaker I quickly realized the method that was being employed. Your RF application is still occasionally workable during optimum conditions. Dell

[Esteban]

Dell, thanks very much. In this photo, Williams and Miguel, my cousin. And the two persons with beard, who are?

[Dell Winders]

No, I was referring to the other photo taken behind the automobile. Dell

[robert]

Again pics!???


"yes I need learn more because, as you said, I watch in the mirror and only see a donkey!"
It was just retorics. I do not consider anybody here as a donkey, esspecially not you Esteban!
And i don't want to wake up one morning and see a donkey in a mirror.That was on my mind.

"As I see, there are persons that "Robert" who know all of alls. He don't need infos, nothing.
He automatically dissapoint and ready!"
I would be very happy if do know "all of alls", like you claimed, but, of course there is no
such man yet,on this world. I do need infos, but much infos here are very obsolete and exceeded.
Some of present infos are barefaced lies, made by very ignorant persons, in manner to fulfill
some sick interest, nothing else.That kind of infos i do not need.
I never saw any schematic with tecnical notes here,that's bugs me most.If you look other forums
you'll see a much schematics with very competent notes,hints and tips from very conversant
people.I always check those in my lab, and it is very easy to establish some attitude on
that project and person who posted it.Here i see only "mega" claims and a lot of retorics.
If you are so sure in LRL stuff, why don't any of you post here any project, for others to
try,check and see? For example, Lostfox posted electronic dowsing rod project, with 567 i.c.
so everybody could make it and simply test it. Of course, later turns to be a nonsence toy, but
still Lostfox is worth of my respect, he made some effort, he didn't post stupid claims and
empty retorics. Can't you see Esteban, what is my point? All of you people here are just
talking,talking,claiming....How can anybody check all those? One more thing...You posted here
some link on modification on Kamil Craus project with 565 ic.I made that toy 10 years ago. It is
a sort of BFO.Totally unusable.You don't expect me to consider you as a serious man with posts
like this!? If you are still dealing with toys than what to say more!?
Hung almost compare it...:
"I really doubt this goes deeper than my Minelab Excalibur....."
Ha,ha,ha !!! Hung,man,are you a jokin!? Your Minelab Excalibur is a hell of a detector.Do not
compare it with toys please! I do consider MInelab detectors the very best of! The state of art
in detectors world! My best experiences are with Minelab detectors.
So,Esteban,Hung...man...reading some posts here, sometimes i am very confused about how to
evaluate your knowledge and how serioslly to judge your posts and you as a persons?

"Robert: wich is your experiences in long distance detectors? You, as engineer in
telecommunications, had builded a device based on radio? If not, what you are waiting? Do you
know that radio is good for to find good conductive metals? Maybe not, because in the university
don't teach you and others about how to find treasure with radio. And why the professors
don't teach about it? Simple: they don't experiment in this way! Better: don't know!"
Very rich, trust me. That's why i made such claims. Over the 15 years i do build a various
devices based on radio. I work as a professional for over 15 years. I made up to 300 radio
tx's, trancievers, handy's, amp's etc.etc. I am also radio amateur.Work on 80m,11m,2m,70cm...
I do have full lab with devices.What to say? Radio is NOT GOOD for finding any metals!
Radio frequencies from 150 kHz up to 2GHz(i been worked with) are NOT PENETRATING IN any
type of ground or through! Nobody here can convince me in a such stupid nonsence ever!
You are confusing so much terms and principles here.It is very hard for me to talk with you
cose you don't know what are you talking about!I do mean this from the deep of my heart I do
not want to insult you at all.This is not my intention at all.Not to undervalue you or your
intelect too.Just to tell you that you are confusing everything.Schools and university's are not
just for fun. You have to learn many more things to became conversant to talk about some things.
You are undervalued all that by your last calim.Try to post some like this to some science forum
or to some university, MIT for example.You'll get no answer or a big laugh from them.
"I, via my ignorance -but experimenting- achieve more than others"
O.K. i am ready to accept this if you post here some tech, not just retorics.Show here your
experiments, your projects, schematics, datas and i test it and later post you my oppinion.
Even i am ready to help you to solve some problems or to improve your work.Just look some
other thread here...

"The persistence in some ideas and work in it, this is the unique way of the knowledge!"
If do without elementar knowledge almost always ends with head trough wall!
"As maybe I don't know much about your profession -and as I don't know much, only a few-
I don't attack you in your work"
Thank you very much for that.It would lead us to nowhere too. I do not attack your work too.
I attack just empty claims without any tech background.

"Please, don't attack us (Detectoman, Dell, Hung, Michael, I and others)shooting in any
direction, but with poor results in your objective."

I started attacking mineoro not you people! But some of you became strong mineoro defenders
that's why faced with me and me with you. You found yourself "called" with no reason at all.
Later it turned into dirty argue and "war". I didn't want that at the begining.
To go with this further does not make any sence to me.But if you apply here some schematics
and projects on LRL than we can talk some constructive talk more.
You are claiming something about radio and RF. For a start come and post some about it.
Or shut up forever.
P.S.
another look on device which cost several hundreds of $ !!!
Come again and claim some claims here! This device worth nothing and do nothing.So how can
i respect any more of claims here? WHo i am dealing with here!?

P.S. II

AGAIN !???
agin anoying nonsence pictures that shows nothing!?
Is that all you can post here!?

[ivconic]

Stop anoying please !

There been so much efforts so far to establish right principle and method to prospect
some results with frequencies bellow 150 kHz. With more or less success some features
showed up so far.But still is to early to establish some rules.But it is quite wrong
to consider radio ways as "pentrating subject" in that matter. 50Hz soil noise with all
harmonics with, falses received results in huge percentage. Some "popular" devices showed
on market almost to fast, while suffering from mentioned phenomena to much. EMFAD UG12 is
my "beloved" example for that.Me and RObert were experimenting on that field for over the
10 years. Some results were gained but not enough to come out on "day light" with.It is not
serious at all to aproach on that matter like some people here done it.I abandoned this
kind of threads and retorics long time ago.But this time i just want to back up major
RObert claims about radio ways.It is absolute nonsence what some people claimed here!
Just to help you more, try to find some more informations on .net by ULF,VLF terms.Read very
carefully all,try to undestand some.Than come back again here and chat about it.

"Although in internet many materials can be found about earth dipoles used as antennas,
to understand how they works can be very complicated. With what principle does it work?
What is the frequency range where it can be used with good profit? What about reception
diagram? What's the signal component received with an earth dipole: electric field or magnetic
filed? With what polarization?
And still: why some signals present on air (as Schumann resonaces) can't be received with
earth probes? And why some signals received with earth dipole are not receivable on air? "
Renato Romero

Just an example.Many more included on the .net....
But beleiving in a conventional method of tx-ing some signal in the ground and a minute later
to receive "echoed" fragments of signal back is just very naive.No such thing!
Also no such power on TX. Present devices based on "semi LRL" with f.generator included as a
TX are more than unusable. The signal generated from some oscill. or f.generator is weak,no
matter how strong NF amp. you may use.It does not penetrate into ground at all.It can make some
"vibes" around with enormous power consumption and sort of a field if dealing with AC.Otherwise
if dealing with DC you'll go nowhere. It is guise to mistaken and confusing EMF with RF also
unattended,lack of elementar knowledge of composition of a signal as it could be generated with
various types of generators.Here people deal with terms and pieces of knowledge they just
by ocassion collect somewhere, so "easy" like it is a game.By acting like this no results
will occure, "fog walking" is all to gain.
I would not interfear in this discussion but something must say.
All "results" mentioned above dedicated to sources we can not check and prove any more.
.................................................. ....................................
"We got acquaint with a man could find only gold with his homemade MFD and 2 L rods.
He was incredibly able to find gold in double blind testes everywhere in every condition
in every test condition .What a pity soon missed him in a driving accident."
.................................................. .....................................
"I'm not the constructor. The person who built it MAYBE design one for my personal use.
He dissambled all the models to prevent copy. But during the "Gold Age" (for us) we found
many items. I assure you: we collect items like rice! Only precious things and coins."
.................................................. .....................................

So pay attention on those:
"...soon missed him in a driving accident..."
"...He dissambled all the models to prevent copy..."

I am to lazy to search threads for more like those two statements, but i remembered many
simillar "proofs" here and on some LRL forums too!
If you,people are establishing all your claims on that kind of a "proofs" than you are not
serious at all!Besides those "proofs" we have some more: we have Mineoro which is not
working at all,we have "omnitron" (several types) which are not working at all, we have
various types of rods, which are not working at all.....at the end we do not have any
proof at all!!!
So at the end what are we talking here about!? We all do share good wishes and dreams
about such apparatus with which we can find item on long distance and at great depth...
I can absolutelly agree with you on that! I do have same dreams like you! But rude
reallity gives me no such device so far!
Suspecting in Robert's and mine claims here will give you no satisfaction at all.Arguing
and spitting with Robert too. Posting pictures of some people,hanging each other,or pictures
of some items will prove nothing too!
Just a remark: no use from those pictures at all, just a harm! Opening these pages sometimes
become anoying and very timing, esspecially when internet connections are poor, like here at
my place. At least posting some usable .jpg with tech contents will compensate spended time
and money here.

Forum administrator should take care of this problem in further.This forum is very public,
for all of us to share.By anoying with unusable contents which spread all over the whole
page we all gain nothing here!
I guess Carl is administrator here. So Carl,please give here extra instructions about
further posts, if you please.You should limit some post here, unless they do not comprehend
schematics and tech.
Thank you very much in advance!

[Esteban]

I never saw any schematic with tecnical notes here,that's bugs me most.If you look other forums you'll see a much schematics with very competent notes,hints and tips from very conversant


Do you check the Geotech Front Page? There are many schematics with very competent notes. So, only I can think that the effort of Carl Moreland was zero. Of course, you can't find here schematic of Minelab, for example. If you have this kind of modern schematic that you pretend, do you can post me in private? Also I will say you thanks! if you send me "obsolete" schematics, because there are many things that the persons forgot and re-invent time to time! You can't measure the quantities of "obsolete" info I post here, include a incorrect copy of the PI Barracude, redrawing by Chris.

If you don't know, this is the second epoch of the forum, this re-start in first months of 2005, but If I remember well, the first start in 1998 or 1999, don't remember, but sure I participate since 2000.

Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0891#post40891

More obsolete:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0113#post40113

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9888#post39888

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11197

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11129

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9407#post39407

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9403#post39403

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11022

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...8440#post38440

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...8373#post38373

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10751

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10747

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10673

How Tesla Serbian inventor help to find gold:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10570


Also investigate starting of MD. This can found at 25 m and is obsolete:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11096


Also post non-obsolete stuffs:

http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/Apr02/NPO20684.html

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0789#post40789

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6914552.html

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9076#post39076


More:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0605#post40605

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0241#post40241


Tiopepe and Victor send me part by part and later I resized and compilated later and posted in mytemdir.com:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11247


Large Sarge thank me (also, thank you, Large Sarge):


Way to go Esteban, You da man!
__________________
Dennis
USAF Ret.
"A liberal is man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel."
-- Robert Frost



More:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9987#post39987

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11112

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...2996#post42996

Also have posted many but many sites regarding MD in Russian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, English and another language I don't understand and very more "stupid" stuffs.

Of course, your shield is: "This is obsolete", "Also this other", "This is stupid". Obsolote or no obsolete... the question is to post any stupid or not and obsolete or not device.

Your friend Ivconic post an interesting schematic (is his effort, thanks).


* * * * * * * * *

For example, Lostfox posted electronic dowsing rod project, with 567 i.c.
so everybody could make it and simply test it. Of course, later turns to be a nonsence toy, but still Lostfox is worth of my respect, he made some effort, he didn't post stupid claims and empty retorics. Can't you see Esteban, what is my point? All of you people here are just talking,talking,claiming....How can anybody check all those? One more thing...You posted here some link on modification on Kamil Craus project with 565 ic.I made that toy 10 years ago. It is a sort of BFO.Totally unusable.You don't expect me to consider you as a serious man with posts like this!? If you are still dealing with toys than what to say more!?

Don't understand!!!: First, you applaud the "non sense toy" posted, with "some effort", by Lostfox. Later the modification of Kamil Krauss, "obsolete", OK, any effort mean for you.

Maybe 650 khz we used can't penetrates the ground, but the phenomenom associated with long time buried metals is present on the surface. Justly I need 200 to 500 kHz for to sense variation of few hertz in the sender coil, OK?

agin anoying nonsence pictures that shows nothing!?
Is that all you can post here!?

Yes, I post the device with the items "in loco" or "in vivo". Also I post all the links showed in this reply.

[Dell Winders]

AGAIN !???
agin anoying nonsence pictures that shows nothing!?
Is that all you can post here!?

Robert, here is a compilation of similar pictures displaying the interiors of LRL's to keep you annoyed. Happy annoyance! Dell

http://www.thunting.com/cgi-bin/geot...le=reports.dat

[Carl-NC]

I guess Carl is administrator here. So Carl,please give here extra instructions about further posts, if you please.You should limit some post here, unless they do not comprehend schematics and tech.

Obviously, I would like the discussions to remain rooted in technical issues. But LRLs in general are controversial, and there are strong opinions on both sides of the fence. So, I try to maintain an open forum that offers proponents and skeptics a place to discuss both technical and philosophical issues, without the censorship that has occurred on other sites. My only demand is that everyone remain civil.

So far, I applaud the overall conduct of this forum. There have been occasional posts that have skirted the boundaries of ettiquette, but so far nothing that has provoked me to intervene.

It is my opinion that LRLs based on dowsing rods are nothing but exercises in self-deception. They simply do not work. When these types of LRLs are submitted to randomized blind tests, they perform no better than guessing, even in the hands of "experienced" users. Every time.

Some of the Mineoro locators, and other similar devices that have begun popping up, do not use dowsing in any way. The operational claims of these devices are not in line with known physics in several ways. I have asked repeatedly for experimental procedures that will validate the claims of these devices, but so far this has not happened.

I have personally tested and dissected a PDC205... it did not work, and based on what I found inside the device, it could not possibly work according to the operational claims. I have sent several emails to Mineoro in an effort to discuss my $25,000 challenge, but they will not reply.

It appears that the technical discussion has run its course. Without experiments that could demonstrate the claims of Mineoro, and without scientific tests that show the devices work, there is little else to do but argue the philosophical side. In my opinion, that is a waste of time.

Hung has mentioned that Damasio will visit the US for a demonstration of the FG78. I would like very much to be at that demonstration, and I will definitely offer my $25,000 to Damasio for a randomized blind test. Then we will see for certain whether it works.

- Carl

[robert]

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.......



Esteban now you are posting nonsences and lies here !!!
I want you to show me, where exactlly you posted some technical about some LRL here
on this forum ever !?
List you listed here are your posts on some toys (YES! TOYS,OBSOLETE,UNUSABLE).
What!? You made some minor suggests on simpliest 2Box project i ever seen so far.
Absolute toy! Why don't you post some improvements on TM808!? Ha!
Do you need me here to name to you all your unusable posts here, item by item on
your list!? Nothing! Severeal post,posted just to fullfil your apetite to be known
and to be present, nothing else! You also posted a few links to somebody's else
sites and somebody's else knowledge - not yours!
Where is at least ONE your post about LRL or mineoro-look-like device here or anywhere
else!? With schematic,hints,tips,datas.....Ha! Where is it!
You collected during last years a bunch of kid's project from some kid's newspaper and
posted here like "serious" remarks or something....! Ha,ha,ha !!!
I am asking YOU and OTHERS here on this funny thread, to POST HERE AT LEAST ONE.....
AND I REPEAT A T L E A S T O N E schematic(i mean serious not scrap toy) on LRL
subject or any simillar type of apparatus!Full project, with tech background,opinions,
step by step constructing etc.etc.
If you don't know how(which i am sure) than look on other threads to see how other people
done here....
Instead of posting some pictures where man hanging each other,holding some very funny
devices in hands and showing some suspectable items, like proving something.What!?
And always you use the same matrix:"....my cousin did that, my cousin did this.....
my cousin stand with this....blah,blah,blah...."
I don't give a s.... about your cousin and his life. I am looking for content which
suitable to name of this thread. This thread is not named "Esteban's cousin....", this
thread is named "MInero" !!!!
It supposed to include technical retorics,projects and schematics of mineoro and
mineoro-look-like devices overall....like any other normal thread here!
Instead of that you and so much like you people are anoying everybody else here by
promoting some nonsences backuped with a pile of funny,stupid pictures.
What!? You don't like my language!? Of course you don't!? I did'nt like your at your
last post. Instead to answer me in proper manner you posted here more anoying.
Also,just to let you know.I do not need your list of posts. I do keep whole forum with
overall content here, on my hard disk, and keep it updated every day! At every moment
i am fully awared of anything what's going on here! I do have whole forum here in front
of my eyes all the time whether on line or off line.I am fully awared of all posts and
schematics here at any moment, so i do know very well about you are talking even before
you start it.
Dell, thank you very much for reminding me! Only thanks to Carl,one and only, we do have
here full overview on most of LRL scrap products,including some of yours too!

Esteban again:
"Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I
have 10 or more variations:..."
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! So you invented 555 ic !!!???? Ha,ha,ha !!!!
Just go on the .net and ask for 555 manufacturer application with much examples of how to
use it.......i didn't saw your name on it!?
Variations of yours, are so simple and funny....what to say!?Is that all you can do!?
Ha,ha,ha !!!

Enough now. These were my poisoned arrows on you! Sorry! I go to far!I felt a bit pissed
from your last post.I am not gonna do it again for sure!Regards to you good Esteban!
P.S.
Still i am waiting some schematics here......

[hung]

I just got home from the weekend, turn computer on, go to the forum and I see this 'battle' happening one more time... I really expected we all to help each other. I am sure a lot of people here discuss politely, but why there are some people who insist in bashing each other's beliefs? LRLs...
There are some who not satisified in dasagreeing about it regarding as reliable, bash who believe!
We are not here for this. As Esteban said, we are here excahnge ideas and concepts with each other...

The operational claims of these devices are not in line with known physics in several ways. I have asked repeatedly for experimental procedures that will validate the claims of these devices, but so far this has not happened.

Ok.. here I go again... i'm not defending Mineoro. I am defending the right I have to believe in somethin I know of. Everybody has the right to believe in what they want.
Carl it's not because you don't know the concept behind it, you might say it's not in line with knwon physics. Think... if the inventor reveals the concept, then everybody would clone one. Your satisfatory explanation may never come...

It appears that the technical discussion has run its course. Without experiments that could demonstrate the claims of Mineoro, and without scientific tests that show the devices work, there is little else to do but argue the philosophical side. In my opinion, that is a waste of time.

Exactly. Do you think it's important to me arguing about those things? No!!
The PDC 210 was used to find a jesuit site. My partner in my team who had one long before me has found innumerous items. Do you think I will lose my time worried about scientific tests to prove wheter it works or not?
OK. I am not hung.. How can I prove I'm hung?

Hung has mentioned that Damasio will visit the US for a demonstration of the FG78. I would like very much to be at that demonstration, and I will definitely offer my $25,000 to Damasio for a randomized blind test. Then we will see for certain whether it works.

I do wish Damasio can make it. He's about 70 and suffers from diabethes. He told me in the pas he was willing to do it. I really hope he's up to this as he know the importance of the US in this field.

[hunterq3]

Yes ! scientific tests show anything to the devices(FG78 etc) .We wait Damasio visiting the US for a demonstration of the FG78,Then we will see for certain whether it works.
and where carl 's $25,000 to go?
we waiting

[robert]

I am here, don't worry!


Hung, first a big HI to you! (i hope this polite enough)
"...and I see this 'battle' happening one more time... "
What's wrong with the 'battle' ? Nothing.Pure democracy.
"why there are some people who insist in bashing each other's beliefs?"
No,not beliefs at all! Just presented claims only! I am not that free to bash
your beliefs at all. I just can not stand claims here.
"There are some who not satisified in dasagreeing about it regarding as reliable,
bash who believe!"
Well, if we agree on everything than must be something wrong with us! Why "foruming"?
You are free to beleive what ever you want.Nobody could stop you that.But beware of
claiming some of your beleives here.
"As Esteban said, we are here excahnge ideas and concepts with each other..."
Empty retorics on LRL and mineoro principles does'nt help here at all! Exchanging
non-interesting pictures here too! By the way where are your ideas and concepts
here!? Did i missed something!?
"Think... if the inventor reveals the concept, then everybody would clone one. Your
satisfatory explanation may never come..."
I don't think so! Why then everybody can not clone devices like G-858, or Garrett
GTI 2500 or Pulsestar II or simillar devices!? Is that hard for mineoro manufacturers
to go to U S P T O and protect their patents from cloning!? Even if cloned, original alwasys
stays ORIGINAL! If it is working good and true than i'll always choose original instead
of clone.
"..Exactly. Do you think it's important to me arguing about those things? No!!"
Than what is purpose of you being here!? What are you doing here!? Who's pushing you
to come here!? Just to put some nonsence claim here and go
without further explanations!? Who gave you right on that!?
Is'nt that real bashing!?
Is'nt that a real anoyance!?
"..My partner in my team who had one long before me has found innumerous items..."
AGAIN!? "..my friend..", "..my cousin..", " ..my partner..","...man who died..." etc.etc.
Real nice proofs! Come again with something like:"..my dead grandma..."
"..OK. I am not hung.. How can I prove I'm hung?.."
Who's pushing you to prove yor name!? It has nothing to do with this thread. Besides
"HUNG" is just fine, like "Esteban","Robert" or something else....Ideas are important
not names!

"...I do wish Damasio can make it. He's about 70 and suffers from diabethes. He told me
in the pas he was willing to do it. I really hope he's up to this as he know the importance
of the US in this field."
I wish to him a good health and more years.No body normal attack that here.Besides as i heared
"Aloya Vera Gel" is very good,terapeutic for diabethes."Aloya" manufacturers and their plants
are spread all over North and also South America. Easy to provide there.
Nobody wants from him to risk his health and come on "heavy" trip to prove anything!
But everybody wants proofs backuped with science here on this pages!

"....and where carl 's $25,000 to go?..."
It is not a question about only $25,000 ! It is a question about some millions here!
If concept is right and backuped than no worrys.If not than millions could be stealed
from naives worldvide!
Hung and others, if you do not put any "material" proofs here, backuped with reallity
than simply do not show here and for real "bash", with nonsences, others!
Your beleifs are not in question here. Keep it for yourself, for good. Claims are in
question here. Either explain and backup, or either stop anoying!
This type of posts will continue so far as nonsences continue.It is quite time to stop
spreading false stuff here! Me and my accessarys will be here around the clock and on every
nonsence claim here we gonna answer in a proper manner.Until you beleivers change your
"style" here or disapear from this pages.It is final!
And if administrator decide to excomunicate name "RObert",(which is his full right),
from here, than some other name will show here and continue further!
It is time to clean this excell forum(best so far)from trash,rubbish and scrap for GOOD!

Besides this is not an LRL forum at all!You have a bunch of LRL forums on the .net, go there!
Come here only with serious and true story! THIS IS TECH FORUM! Not "mumbble-jumbble" forum.
Only in the name of democracy this forum consist some LRL pages,threads....But those
pages supposed to show real situation on that field.Not to advertise that kind of
products also not to spread lies about it.Not to collect customers for that kind of
products either.
regards

[Esteban]

The only "technical input" you have posting is your photo with Strujas and Ivconic. "Tender taken care the baby in the hammock". Pure democracy! Wait from your part obsolete info, for me is OK, but as I see you want to obtain infos for nothing. This I think: In the future you'll use this site for to evacuate your poisons! This is the proof you only want the info also you can't post:
P.S.
Still i am waiting some schematics here......

[Esteban]

Pics

To Ivconic and Robert. If you don't want to see the photos, don't open the thread. Only if Carl want, I'll stop it.

If you don't read with attention:

Carl wrote:

BTW, I like the pics you've posted. Interesting.

- Carl


http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...6&page=9&pp=25

[Dell Winders]

It appears that Robert has proclaimed himself dictator of Geotech forums. Hypocricisy is worn like a badge of honor among the Skeptic Cult.

I have no problem with the way Carl, wishes to run his forums or who he wishes to have participate. It's none of my business. I wish good fortune to all. Dell