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  • Robert:

    First, all the poison you can vomit, I'm immune to all! Snakes don't scare me!


    Esteban now you are posting nonsences and lies here !!!
    I want you to show me, where exactlly you posted some technical about some LRL here on this forum ever !?


    And you? Or you have posted under other name, no as "Robert"? My real name is Esteban, but yours isn't Robert (you said). About lies...


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    List you listed here are your posts on some toys (YES! TOYS,OBSOLETE,UNUSABLE).

    Post your toys, and maybe I'll play with these. When I post the article in Brazilian magazine regarding "obsolete" (your word) PLL metal detector, also I think in the words of Carl in the "Reference" section of MD about non-English publications.

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    What!? You made some minor suggests on simpliest 2Box project i ever seen so far.

    The modification of this detector wit addition of one more stage and powerfull transmitter I have done. Sure no audio needed, only the microamp. And I was surprised how sensitive can be... with the correct adjust in the coils, no added or quit cap, yes added or quit turns (valid for all types of MD). Do you know this?

    Sometimes, obsolete germanium (as transmitter) transistor is better (in power, no in another aspects) in two boxes designs.

    Do you try to put an empty plug in the earphone connection for to eliminate the audio and only use the uamp in two boxes because the audio (speaker) in some two boxes models produces a type of microphonic or feedback effect?

    I dissambled the 808 (in 1986 or 87 - question: is an obsolete two boxes?) the part of the metal pipe for to repair. Do you have drawing the both values? I have. No in the fact to demonstrate you if you have or not drawing of the both values, yes that I work in it, dedication we said...

    Do you know that the best two boxes I use -and I have the handrawing schematic- is by Electrónica Aplicada of Argentine? Fet transmitter, simple instalation plastic cable coils, all in metal pipe. Receiver: fets, only two 741, separate stages by AM FI transformers? Have 5 k potentiometer correction phase in the coil, so the mechanical adjust is only a few, very few, a delicate touch in the screw?

    Also have handrawing by myself of MDs, with much effort! Maybe obsolete, but yes a work, a effort, no retorics.

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    You also posted a few links to somebody's else sites and somebody's else knowledge - not yours!

    If I sent links, if for to help in some aspects or clariffy. Please, send us your infos or links here. Make a effort. I understand maybe you have limitation or internet is expensive in some locations (Ivconic explain it).

    Send here useful info, links, etc., and I'll say thank you!


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    Where is at least ONE your post about LRL or mineoro-look-like device here or anywhere else!? With schematic,hints,tips,datas.....Ha! Where is it!

    And you? You are in the same place. If I have Mineoro's schematics, is my problem. I'll don't post here only for to demonstrate you G R A T I S!


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    You collected during last years a bunch of kid's project from some kid's newspaper and posted here like "serious" remarks or something....! Ha,ha,ha !!!

    Yes, is true and is good. Why not? Of all types. What kind of schematic do you have? What I have you don't? Do you have a list?

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    I am asking YOU and OTHERS here on this funny thread, to POST HERE AT LEAST ONE..... AND I REPEAT A T L E A S T O N E schematic(i mean serious not scrap toy) on LRL subject or any simillar type of apparatus!Full project, with tech background,opinions, step by step constructing etc.etc.

    What? How many dinars for me from your part, your industry?

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    If you don't know how(which i am sure) than look on other threads to see how other people done here....

    Yes, send us the link of other forum in wich you "conversant" about LRL based in electronics -and his schematics was posted.

    Yes, I know some things, no in the level of your engineering, maybe. And know many types, but not for you! If you have of more high level, let us know. Maybe infrared, RF or ultrasonic are obsoletes!

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    Instead of posting some pictures where man hanging each other,holding some very funny devices in hands and showing some suspectable items, like proving something.What!?

    In the same direction, post here your (of another people) experiences, include the items unearthed. I can't provide another proof. With your same criteria, the photo you was posted is unreal. At this point, I can't see the item you has unearthed. With the same criteria, NASA's photos showing the USA's men on the Moon are falses. No discussion here if who are more feasible, the fact is: are the photos unreals? Shows or not the truth? Translation: If I'm not in the place, is unreal.

    * * * * * * * * *

    And always you use the same matrix:"....my cousin did that, my cousin did this..... my cousin stand with this....blah,blah,blah...."
    I don't give a s.... about your cousin and his life. I am looking for content which suitable to name of this thread. This thread is not named "Esteban's cousin....", this thread is named "MInero" !!!!


    The base of actual Mineoro are the devices has been posted by me, with much effort and money for to collect, first, and scan. If I show the pics in wich appear my cousin, is because He start in it in the trips years before me.

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    It supposed to include technical retorics,projects and schematics of mineoro and mineoro-look-like devices overall....like any other normal thread here!
    Instead of that you and so much like you people are anoying everybody else here by promoting some nonsences backuped with a pile of funny,stupid pictures. What!? You don't like my language!? Of course you don't!? I did'nt like your at your last post. Instead to answer me in proper manner you posted here more anoying.


    Yes, you can start providing us the projects and schematics...

    Every time I clariffy not in defense of Mineoro (understand?), yes in the fact that electronic LRL is reality since many years. Also I explain that two models I try at fully detects well. If you read with attention, also I explain that is some difficult to center (pinpoint) the exact point, and charged clouds produces inestability in these models. As you can see, also the Mineoro's problems was posted by me. Since the launch of these models I told Mr. Damásio that also detects copper and bronze items, not only gold (can detect from the diesel vehicle in movement, no problem). So, the fact that detect copper and bronze items was actualized in the Mineoro's brochure. The truth is the truth. Can't emit opinion about another models. I have the new 2006, but I don't try at full, for the moment is very stable. Forgot: also told Alonso that the first microcontroller version wasn't good. I was the first critic -maybe in private- of Mineoro and the inventors can confirm all it.

    Yes, I like your language, because this strong me. Please, send me more of your instructive poisoned language.

    What I can ask you in proper manner? How to detect gold via infrared rays, for example?

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    Also,just to let you know.I do not need your list of posts. I do keep whole forum with overall content here, on my hard disk, and keep it updated every day! At every moment i am fully awared of anything what's going on here! I do have whole forum here in front of my eyes all the time whether on line or off line.I am fully awared of all posts and schematics here at any moment, so i do know very well about you are talking even before you start it.

    As I see: this forum don't cover your expectations in any aspect!

    Many persons don't understand very well about your attacks here. So, I'm ready for to deffend Dell, Hung, Michael, Detectoman, Carl... and all another persons are "bad" and "liers" for you. With democracy.
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    Dell, thank you very much for reminding me! Only thanks to Carl,one and only, we do have here full overview on most of LRL scrap products,including some of yours too!

    Reminding? Suspect you never open all the pages created by Carl with much effort of his part. Thanks Carl!


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    Esteban again:
    "Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations:..."
    Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! So you invented 555 ic !!!???? Ha,ha,ha !!!!
    Just go on the .net and ask for 555 manufacturer application with much examples of how to use it.......i didn't saw your name on it!?
    Variations of yours, are so simple and funny....what to say!?Is that all you can do!?
    Ha,ha,ha !!!


    Yes Esteban again: I refer about the comparator application, only found a reference in a book about 555 (very complete, in Portuguese version of 1976), no adjustable point. Don't found in datasheet of National, for example. I said variations because any sensor can used, include receiver coil as MD. No more. As you see, I was use the word "maybe"...

    I can do more, but what input I can expect from you? Poison, vomit? Waiting for it!

    * * * * * * * * *

    Enough now. These were my poisoned arrows on you! Sorry! I go to far!I felt a bit pissed from your last post.I am not gonna do it again for sure!Regards to you good Esteban!

    As I said in the starting of this message, don't scare me.
    Regards to you good, Robert!

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    P.S.
    Still i am waiting some schematics here......


    Read the reply in another part of this thread. But if you are a good boy, maybe somebody -can be I, who knows?- post one.

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    • Since the launch of these models I told Mr. Damásio that also detects copper and bronze items, not only gold (can detect from the diesel vehicle in movement, no problem). So, the fact that detect copper and bronze items was actualized in the Mineoro's brochure.
      Esteban, please allow me to just add some details on this. Yes, the PDCs and the later models (don't know about the FG78 yet) do detect silver, bronze and copper alloys. But VERY little. In the order of 5%, meaning that 95% of the time it is gold. This is due to the close ion types of the noble metals. I already talked about this with Damasio. however I'm not allowed to say much more.


      I have the new 2006, but I don't try at full, for the moment is very stable.
      Cool to hear you confirming this. As I said I was in contact with guys who bought it last january and they found items 3 days in a row at the beach. Guess they did not find more because they had a plane to catch. Since you live in a region Torquato told me is desert like climate, with low humidity, you will (as in portuguese term for a big sucess acomplished) 'be giving a big party' soon.

      What version you got? The one with the centralizer knob in the front close to the ionic chamber (first version) or the one with the knob actually set in the row of knobs in the back? (second version)
      "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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      • Hung, no, in more high percentage than 5%, mainly in very dry and salty terrain. No problem it, since a colonel found with it a bronze minibox containing gold and jewels. There are in a room. The bed is over the small treasure and the person sleep all the time over it! If you "abuse" in the sensibility of the controls, hope this percentage is more high than 20%.

        The second version. In other model saw the zero adjustment knob in the front, near the ionic chamber, but I prefer the model with less controls.

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        • Originally posted by Esteban
          The bed is over the small treasure and the person sleep all the time over it!
          He,he,he,he. Typical of latin american military people. I guess there are a lot like him around here too.
          "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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          • HI


            Esteban's story like scraped record....always the same !!!
            Attached Files

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            • Thank you!


              Continue to post pictures here please....
              I am gonna collect a nice collection of dorks!!!

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              • Sure, you can collect these because you can't obtain of any source, only by me!

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                • God bless you; Esteban & Hung!

                  Hi Esteban and hung. Please continue puttting more experiences and recently founds that only you are cognizant of. Sure they will be appreciated.
                  Esteban! I am sure your every honesty & sincere effort is being and will be appreciated by every one is busy or involved in treasure hunting. it's logical you not to put your latest science here and again see ingratitude habits as I were you did so. Continue your way strongly as sovereign.
                  indeed science is son of experience. Science went from experience to universities & colleges. Persons like as you, Damassio & Alonso and etc make sciences.
                  lest you become despondent or unwilling.
                  Hung! nice man! as I believe in you, we are willingly and impatiently waiting for your new reports of FG78. If approve, we will order it.
                  Don't deprive us and this forum from your bliss because here name is"Remote Sensing"
                  It's the time for new generation instrument and getting rid of boring tardy CMDs, GPRs with your help.
                  so many people like as Dell, Esteban, Hung as well I, have experienced remote sensing results and know one thing; It's a true concept and works, now others what desire to tell, write inimical not deserve to be discussed.
                  "You can awake a real asleep, but never can do it for one sham to sleep"

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                  • ....

                    :confused:

                    Well....
                    "..It appears that Robert has proclaimed himself dictator of Geotech forums..."
                    Well,it is very bad, if you are thinking so. To prove you the oposite, i'll do
                    something which you'll never expect from me. I'll stop for a while (my team too) and
                    not to "bash" you for a some time. I'll give this thread a chance to sooner or later
                    became productive. I am gonna update posts from here, every day, and wait someone
                    of you to post something usefull. If Esteban continue with pics, than i can do
                    nothing against it, who's gonna stop him!? Nobody! It will count on his bad credit anyway!
                    To continue with arguing with a few of you, so far did'nt help, neither to me,neither
                    to you,neither to this thread.Everybody here stuck to self belives for good.
                    By not showing any will to post here more practical stuff, you just convinced me more
                    that this subject is false! Esteban do not want to show here any of "real" stuff he
                    has (I don't beleive that he has at least one good schematic on lrl subject), like
                    he said, not for gratis....than what to expect further!? Nobody asking you Esteban to
                    post here schematic of mineoro latest model, or some device which is still very comercial!
                    I wanted you to post some project on some device we can assemble and test, which is not
                    a simple toy but some more complicated then usually posted here....But if you think that
                    it is not good idea, than alright.I can not make you to do that. I do not have neither one
                    schematic or project on that subject(lrl and simillar) to post here.I do have a 450 CD's
                    with various schematics.If you need something from electronics just name it.If file is
                    not to big for uploading I'll send it for you and any other.No big deal for me.My "poison"
                    is send to you to provoke you to start thinking productive.It appeared very wrong so far, so
                    i'll stop for a while.If i think that you are idiot, i would'nt post you even a one word!
                    Of course i do think that you have something to say! But so far you said very few things!
                    I still beleive that previous posts of yours, does'nt contributed much here, on mineoro
                    subject.Only pictures and claims....But it is showing only that you and your friends are not
                    ready to give more....or maybe you don't have more to give..Only you know that.
                    About others here....well,ocassionally people come here and do not contribute at all.Just
                    backuping one or the other side by retorics, nothing else. If you compare this thread with
                    other threads from this forum, you'll find that it is worst of all. Neither one schematic,
                    neither one technical,neither one project, except ivconic ion detector which has moved to
                    another thread....
                    So let's calm down ant think. I do not see a bright future here if continue like this.
                    What do you think?

                    regards

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                    • time to stop acting...

                      "I actually have Damasio's personal email, but it would be a waste of time expecting
                      him to answer because the last time he did answer me it took 4 months! He's a very
                      busy man and noticibly don't use emails regularly."

                      Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! Damasio is absolute illiterate, so what are you talking here man !?
                      Who are you jokin' here!?
                      "...He's a very busy man....", yes, by sitting under the tree !!!
                      "...don't use emails regularly...", he even does not know what it is!?
                      Not only that you( a very few of you ) polluted this fine forum with "minero" thread,
                      but also you want to breed more here. You are opening more threads with no control at all!
                      Promulgate lies and nonsences everywhere! You are acting like all of you never met(esteban,
                      hung,michael, mineorogreece...), but
                      .................................................. ...................
                      the real truth is that you are "well" organized team with
                      only one mission: to advertise nonsence mineoro frauds products as much as possibly
                      with no scrupule at all. By making-up nonsence stories, reporting here FALSE reports,
                      and acting like something is really going on..."
                      .................................................. .....................................
                      It was not hardly at all for me and my team to find and check all about all of you!
                      We do know who are you, where are you,what are you doing and who is paying you!
                      Beware!
                      One day you gonna conform for all your lies and frauds here and on the other places!
                      .................................................. ...................................
                      ALL MINEORO PRODUCTS ARE FRAUDS,NON-WORKING TOYS! DON'T BUY IT!DON'T WASTE MONEY!

                      "regards"
                      RObert
                      S.S.O.

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                      • Zahori's thread

                        As Robert is blind by Mineoro's threads, he don't see another thread! Of course, Mineoro's threads isn't for projects. Maybe no all the complicate expect by he, but is a good starting. I post 2 days ago about the thread Zahori. The thread consist in:

                        1. The three pages of the article (in Spanish) and explanation of some info in old threads and the Russian version (exact copy) as "Biolokator" (???)

                        2. The photo of the kind of device and many modifications for to simplify and make usable.

                        3. The last mod (pin 9 no connection to -).

                        4. A posterior publication of ionic detector for positive and negative ions (look the similarities with Zahori, but by the same magazine).

                        6. Variation of input connection via cap.

                        In the audio output is all the info of the detection... the rest of the job is yours.

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                        • mineoro

                          Originally posted by Carl-NC
                          Sure, no problem...

                          Here's the main PC board:



                          There is a microcontroller, a piezo buzzer, some misc components, a "sensor" (top-center), and a "black box" (top-right). The large trace around the perimeter is a loop antenna, which would not be the least bit necessary if the device works according to Mineoro's claims. The oval trace around the sensor, and some components connected to it, are otherwise isolated from the rest of the circuitry, and do nothing.

                          The sensor is a piece of PVC pipe filled with epoxy:



                          This is the one piece I did not have permission to dissect. But it functions as a proximity detector, as the device beeps when objects are about 1/2 inch away.

                          The black box revealed this nifty little circuit:



                          I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

                          If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

                          - Carl

                          P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.
                          hi carl,

                          may you e-mail me a esquematic diageam of the lrl in order to analize it?

                          thanks,
                          miqui
                          miquijacobo@hotmail.com

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                          • this is an mineoro a simple circuit, i invent one similar in my six months i born
                            these device mineoro is only a fist of electronicas pieces made pile is single

                            ok detectoman

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                            • Ha....

                              "RObert" is not blind at all..... RObert is here all the time, updating whole
                              forum every day. RObert is just sick of your claims and nonsences and further
                              no coments.....
                              I do not want to put Carl in a position to be pushed to act somehow here,
                              therefore i am not that "blue" to continue to argue with you ignorants any more !


                              Mineoro products are scum,trash and rubbish DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON IT !!!

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                              • "Robert" said:

                                Mineoro products are scum,trash and rubbish DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON IT !!!

                                Maybe you're correct, maybe not, but accusations demmand proof from your part. Obviously, you're hide as Robert, so is very easy to launch accusations based in nothing! Be a serious person and show your real name. Also you don't show your private mail, very intelligent, so is very difficult to track you.
                                This is the only truth.

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