MINERO

[robert]

Smart....

I am not one man band.....Esteban you are now smart! Congratulations!
Under RObert nick there are team of people, all experts in electronics,physics
et.etc. There are plenty of names,mails etc...etc..
Regards Esteban, you showed here that you are very smart...

[Esteban]

I'm curious what can do your team for to solve your problem...

There are not in books, there are in large experimenting in outdoor fields, no indoor...

[robert]

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Joke again.......good esteban....

[mineorogreece]

Question from mineorogreece

Hello members of this forum
I just wanted to ask your opinion regarding the mineoro.Recently I discovered this.
I calibrated the pdc210fg and then set it on the ground.Then I got a 1.5v battery and started to shortcircuit it.The pdc beeped everytime I shortcircuited it quickly, even from 3 meters away.This means that it truly detects the shortcircuit of the positive and negative ions in it's chamber?
Waiting for your comments.
Jim

[J_Player]

If the pdc beeped everytime you shortcircuited a battery quickly, this means the pdc beeped every time you shorted the battery. It does not mean anything about ions.

The existence of measurable ions inside the chamber being sensed has never been proven by anyone. The fact that the machine beeped is proof only that it beeped when you short-circuited a battery nearby.

I cannot tell you the reason why it beeped unless I am able to test the machine with instruments that can accurately observe the circuiry working, and measure what caused it to beep when you shorted the battery. Others in this forum have much better instruments than I do. If you were to allow someone such as Carl repeat your test with his instruments, he could probably tell you exactly why it beeped.

I highly doubt the reason is because of ions inside the chamber. I would suspect electromagnetic noise or radio noise caused by minute arcing when the spark occurs due to shorting a battery. This kind of interference causes many instruments to pick up the noise. But then this explanation is only speculation.

[mineorogreece]

mineorogreece

So what you are actually saying is that it can pick up the minute arcing of the positive and negative shortcircuit of the ions in the battery from long distance.So why cant it be picking up the minute arcing when the negative gold ions are shortcircuiting with the positive gold ions in it's chamber?
Just thinking
Jim

[J_Player]

...Quote by mineorogreece:
So what you are actually saying is that it can pick up the minute arcing of the positive and negative shortcircuit of the ions in the battery from long distance.So why cant it be picking up the minute arcing when the negative gold ions are shortcircuiting with the positive gold ions in it's chamber?
Just thinking
Jim

I am not saying that at all. If you read my answer, I said "It does not mean anything about ions".

I never said that it has anything to do with ions in the chamber. If you read my statements about ions you will see these words: "The existence of measurable ions inside the chamber being sensed has never been proven by anyone. The fact that the machine beeped is proof only that it beeped when you short-circuited a battery nearby". "I highly doubt the reason is because of ions inside the chamber".

I cannot understand how you came to conlcude I am saying there is some working mechanism of ions in the chamber. And also how you determined that i am saying the pdc can detect ions in the battery from a long distance. It is ludicrous for you to try to claim these are my statements. I am not so stupid as to say anything as un-believable as that.

If it helps you to understand what I actually said, you can read the words in my previous post, rather than the new words you tried to re-write for me.


Here is a simpler-to-read outline of what I think about your report of beeping on the pdc:

1. If your report is accurate, then it proves that the pdc beeped when you short circuited the battery. It does not prove anything about ions or long distances more than the distances you observed.

2. The minute arcing that I referred to happens whenever a battery with a charge is short circuited in air. I made mo commentary to suggest that the pdc is sensing ions from this arc. In fact my speculation is that there are electromagnetic waves which are commonly thought of as "noise" being radiated into the air as a result of a rapid increase in current flow through the conductor which is shorting the battery. This radiated wave could be coupling with some of the circuitry within the pdc. I have noticed this phenomenon cause measurable signals in a number of electronic instruments.

3. As I stated, It is only my speculation that this is the source of the beeping in your pdc. When I say it is speculation, this means it is NOT a fact, but only my theory based on the limited information you provided. I cannot determine the actual cause of the beeps in your pdc without conducting tests on the machine.

The final part of your post is where you ask: "So why cant it be picking up the minute arcing when the negative gold ions are shortcircuiting with the positive gold ions in it's chamber?"

Nobody knows why it can't do that. Perhaps the reason is because it has no mechanism which allows it to do that. Perhaps there are no gold ions short circuiting in the chamber. If you want to know for sure, I would suggest you send the machine to a testing lab to find out if there are really any measurable ions of any kind in that chamber. If the lab tells you yes, then have them test the flow of ions and current in the sensor to see if it changes when in the proximity of distant buried treasures.

So far, nobody I ever heard of has been able to find any measureable ions inside a mineoro chamber, and nobody on earth is willing to conduct a live demonstration of a mineoro detector finding treasure. Maybe that will help shed some light on the answer to your question of why a pdc can't pick up the "minute arcing".

[strujas]

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Does anybody know how much cost mineoro pdc 210 and mineoro fg79?

[hung]

Does anybody know how much cost mineoro pdc 210 and mineoro fg79?

The PDC 210 is discontinued, however you may contact Mineoro to check if they still have any in stock and see the price that you can get.

The FG 79 is not out yet and I think is little less than $8,000. But I can be wrong.

[strujas]

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Thanx

[Dell Winders]

The owner of the unit I field tested wishes to sell his Mineoro. At the moment he is in the hospital with quadruple by-pass surgery. When he returns home I will find out the asking price, along with pertinent information and post it. Dell

[hung]

The owner of the unit I field tested wishes to sell his Mineoro. At the moment he is in the hospital with quadruple by-pass surgery. When he returns home I will find out the asking price, along with pertinent information and post it. Dell

Sorry to hear about his health Dell. Hope he recovers fast.

[Qiaozhi]

Hello members of this forum
I just wanted to ask your opinion regarding the mineoro.Recently I discovered this.
I calibrated the pdc210fg and then set it on the ground.Then I got a 1.5v battery and started to shortcircuit it.The pdc beeped everytime I shortcircuited it quickly, even from 3 meters away.This means that it truly detects the shortcircuit of the positive and negative ions in it's chamber?
Waiting for your comments.
Jim

Shorting the terminals of a battery will produce some broadband electromagnetic interference. As shown by Carl in an earlier post, there is a small radio receiver built into the Mineoro. See image below:

I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

- Carl

P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.

[michael]

confirmatory test

what happens in a shortcircuit is diferent of radio waves. as you mentioned is an electromagnetic interference, but not necessarily radio waves. If it's so, then for assurance can make a confirmatory test;
turn on a radio transmitter near mineoro then change any option; frequency and output voltage(sensitivity).frequently turn it on/off. Let us know the results. If I had a mineoro, definitely would do it.

[Qiaozhi]

what happens in a shortcircuit is diferent of radio waves. as you mentioned is an electromagnetic interference, but not necessarily radio waves. If it's so, then for assurance can make a confirmatory test;
turn on a radio transmitter near mineoro then change any option; frequency and output voltage(sensitivity).frequently turn it on/off. Let us know the results. If I had a mineoro, definitely would do it.

I disagree. Radio waves and electromagnetic waves are the same thing. Unless (of course) your definition of radio waves means that they are modulated in some way. I do not know what type of "radio" receiver is contained in the Mineoro, but it doesn't look too complicated, and may be just an RF amplifier. In which case it would easily pick up the interference from a nearby spark transmitter.