MINERO

[hung]

Sorry Dell, I did not mean you were a liar.
On the contrary, you are one of the most respected member here and I admire your open mind a lot. It's due to your open mind you have come that far.

Are you sure the manual says the GDP won't work from 11 to 1 ?
This is strange, because besides the fact that my medalion was detected with my PDC in this time period, If I remember well this time period is just weaker but it does not necessarily means one can not go out and detect.

I can agree with you the detector manual lacks a lot of things. But take this to the huge industrial field. I used to own 2 years ago a Sony DMX mixing board. Superb board, but if you read the manual (japanese to english), you feel like spitting on it. No, absolutely no practical info on how to use it. Mainly descriptive subjects. It took a representative in US to write another manual which included tutorials, how to, explanations, etc.

And there are also the people who don't need to read manuals much. They like to explore 'new frontiers' and discover things by their own. I admit I fall in this category.

Back to Mineoro detectors, you really have to spend time with it as there are tips and things you can do with it which are not in the manual.

Finally, when I said Mineoro are the best detectors in my opinion, maybe is because I know them so well and there's all this controversy regarding others. But in the past I already said I believe there are other LRLs which also can detect gold, but as most of them if not all involves rods, dowsing or something like that which is based on mind, the Mineoros don't give false signals (if well set) and are totally electronic.
I'm not saying dowsing and MFDs do not work. I know they do. What I am saying is that the ionic principle and Mineoro's concept are an overwhelming achievement.
You may even not take my word for it, but you would be amazed at how Alonso and Damasio, these two nice seniors, know about treasure hunter technology and have 50 years of story tellings to share...

Regards.

[Dell Winders]

It's due to your open mind you have come that far.

Are you sure the manual says the GDP won't work from 11 to 1 ?

I'm open minded about the things which I know have already been done. I allow myself to be skeptical of things that don't seem likely within my own realm of understanding.

I called the Mineoro owner, to confirm the hours the specific hours the Mineoro was not supposed to work, but he didn't have access to his operator's manual, but 11 to 1 sounded close.

I checked the Mineoro web site for the on-line instructions and they were no longer there. Sorry, I can't say for sure.

I was reading reading the information about their "Substance Classifier" and was suddenly stunned at the realization the description of reasons and effects were describing in detail the effects of my own product "X-SCAN" which I never considered to be working according to an Ion theory.

Even with many years of using LRL and Frequency Discrimination, I am as amazed and elated with the abilities of the X-SCAN, as the inventors of Mineoro, appear with their New invention. I really don't know how it works, but if as you say, that Mineoro, would sue OKM for infringement, it certainly raises reason for my concern.

If it took Mineoro 50 years to build their New Invention from their theory, and it took me 3 weeks to build my New invention from my own simplistic theory. That means they were there first and mine, is still developing. I haven't taken the time to convert it into a beeper yet.

But, that's what I like about competition. It forces manufacturers to build better products for lower prices, and that benefits consumers.

Iam happy to see Mineoro, is stopping their continous upgrade policy and passing the costs on to the consumer each time. My thanks, for becoming a new example for my Skeptic Cult logo. "WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell

[mineorogreece]

An Idea for Mineoro

Hello Hung and everybody,
I have an idea for Mineoro which can help the rest of us if they go along with it.Since Damasio and Alonso have all this experience ,it would be great if they sat down and wrote a book on detecting with their devices,with many examples and practical experiences.This would be very handy for all people interested but which have doubts.Also since these 2 inventors are getting old,they will be gone in the next 10-15 years but the information and their products will stay for the next generation.It would be greatly appreciated by many people.
Just a few thoughts from me.
Thanks
Jim

[ANDREAS]

DEAR FRIENDS
I WATCH YOUR FORUM ENOUGH TIME, SPECIAL THE SUBJECTS WITH THE MINEORO INFORMATION.I WOULD WANT BECOMES A NEW BEGINNING, BECAUSE I HAVE THE DRAWINGS FOR HIS MANUFACTURE, REGULATIONS EVERYTHING,CALIBRATIONS IN ORDER TO IS MANUFACTURED THE ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS AND WE REALLY SEE IF IT WORKS.ΜΥ NAME IS ANDREAS MY JOB IS IN GREECE AND I AM SPECIALITY IN DRAWINGS of ORIGINAL ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS.MY KNOWLEDGE IN ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS AND THEORY THEY IS MOST EXCELLENT, BUT I BELIEVETHAT EXISTS ALSO KNOWLEDGE UNKNOWN, PERSONALLY INTERESTS ME MORE FROM THE HUNTING OF TREASURES.
HERE, YOU HELP ALL IN ORDER TO WE FIND A SOLUTION AND WE KNOW IF THE MINEORO THEY IS REAL INSTRUMENTS THAT FIND GOLD.I HAVE SENT IN THE CARL SCHEMATIC DIAGRAMS OF RECEIVER AND INDUCTORS FROM FIRST MODELS MINEORO.ALSO THE DRAWING OF ALARM WHEN IT FINDS SOMETHING.I HAVE STILL NOT SENT THE CIRCUIT OF TRANSMITTER, REGULATIONS OF ELECTRIC TENDENCY, AND CO-ORDINATION OF INDUCTORS. I WOULD WANT THEY ARE PUBLISHED IN A NEW UNIT OF FORUM FREELY BY THE FRIEND CARL.WHEN I SEE THE DRAWINGS IN THE FORUM I WILL PUBLISH ALSO THE TRANSMITTER. I BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING WILL BE FOUND IF THEY IS TRUTH OR .....FALSE. IF ALL GO WELL, I CAN SEND the FINAL REGULATIONS IN EACH ONE SEPARATELY WITH e-mail, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT HIM SEE "ALL IN INTERNET". THESE CURRENTLY. DEAR CARL PLEASE PUT THE DROWNING SCHEMATICS FREE IN THE FORUM IN ORDER TO IT BEGINS WORK.
MY ENGLISH IF VERY POOR FORGIVE ME
E-MAIL ANCHRY@IN.GR
BEST REGARDS
ANDREAS

[hung]

Hello Hung and everybody,
I have an idea for Mineoro which can help the rest of us if they go along with it.Since Damasio and Alonso have all this experience ,it would be great if they sat down and wrote a book on detecting with their devices,with many examples and practical experiences.This would be very handy for all people interested but which have doubts.Also since these 2 inventors are getting old,they will be gone in the next 10-15 years but the information and their products will stay for the next generation.It would be greatly appreciated by many people.
Just a few thoughts from me.
Thanks
Jim

Damasio is 70 and Alonso is younger. I believe 63.
Sure they know they won't last forever.
AFAIK Damasio is training his grandson who has a degree in electronics to suceed him.
But we all know they are two different people.
Your idea of a book is interesting. But I don't know if they would place their secrets on it. As I know him, I doub it.
I think their main goal is about to happen. To make the detectors fully automatic so the fine tuning is always at best.
In my opinion they gave a tremendous contribution to treasure detecting. I believe from now on just enhancements in terms of imaging, all weather conditions, etc. will be made.
The main concept has been estabilished.

[hung]

I'm open minded about the things which I know have already been done. I allow myself to be skeptical of things that don't seem likely within my own realm of understanding.

I called the Mineoro owner, to confirm the hours the specific hours the Mineoro was not supposed to work, but he didn't have access to his operator's manual, but 11 to 1 sounded close.

I checked the Mineoro web site for the on-line instructions and they were no longer there. Sorry, I can't say for sure.

I was reading reading the information about their "Substance Classifier" and was suddenly stunned at the realization the description of reasons and effects were describing in detail the effects of my own product "X-SCAN" which I never considered to be working according to an Ion theory.

Even with many years of using LRL and Frequency Discrimination, I am as amazed and elated with the abilities of the X-SCAN, as the inventors of Mineoro, appear with their New invention. I really don't know how it works, but if as you say, that Mineoro, would sue OKM for infringement, it certainly raises reason for my concern.

If it took Mineoro 50 years to build their New Invention from their theory, and it took me 3 weeks to build my New invention from my own simplistic theory. That means they were there first and mine, is still developing. I haven't taken the time to convert it into a beeper yet.

But, that's what I like about competition. It forces manufacturers to build better products for lower prices, and that benefits consumers.

Iam happy to see Mineoro, is stopping their continous upgrade policy and passing the costs on to the consumer each time. My thanks, for becoming a new example for my Skeptic Cult logo. "WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell

Dell,
Understand the Mineoro's method of 'classify' the substances.

http://www.mineoro.com/treasure/diference.htm

[Qiaozhi]

DEAR FRIENDS
I WATCH YOUR FORUM ENOUGH TIME, SPECIAL THE SUBJECTS WITH THE MINEORO INFORMATION.I WOULD WANT BECOMES A NEW BEGINNING, BECAUSE I HAVE THE DRAWINGS FOR HIS MANUFACTURE, REGULATIONS EVERYTHING,CALIBRATIONS IN ORDER TO IS MANUFACTURED THE ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS AND WE REALLY SEE IF IT WORKS.ΜΥ NAME IS ANDREAS MY JOB IS IN GREECE AND I AM SPECIALITY IN DRAWINGS of ORIGINAL ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS.MY KNOWLEDGE IN ELECTRONIC CIRCUITS AND THEORY THEY IS MOST EXCELLENT, BUT I BELIEVETHAT EXISTS ALSO KNOWLEDGE UNKNOWN, PERSONALLY INTERESTS ME MORE FROM THE HUNTING OF TREASURES.
HERE, YOU HELP ALL IN ORDER TO WE FIND A SOLUTION AND WE KNOW IF THE MINEORO THEY IS REAL INSTRUMENTS THAT FIND GOLD.I HAVE SENT IN THE CARL SCHEMATIC DIAGRAMS OF RECEIVER AND INDUCTORS FROM FIRST MODELS MINEORO.ALSO THE DRAWING OF ALARM WHEN IT FINDS SOMETHING.I HAVE STILL NOT SENT THE CIRCUIT OF TRANSMITTER, REGULATIONS OF ELECTRIC TENDENCY, AND CO-ORDINATION OF INDUCTORS. I WOULD WANT THEY ARE PUBLISHED IN A NEW UNIT OF FORUM FREELY BY THE FRIEND CARL.WHEN I SEE THE DRAWINGS IN THE FORUM I WILL PUBLISH ALSO THE TRANSMITTER. I BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING WILL BE FOUND IF THEY IS TRUTH OR .....FALSE. IF ALL GO WELL, I CAN SEND the FINAL REGULATIONS IN EACH ONE SEPARATELY WITH e-mail, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT HIM SEE "ALL IN INTERNET". THESE CURRENTLY. DEAR CARL PLEASE PUT THE DROWNING SCHEMATICS FREE IN THE FORUM IN ORDER TO IT BEGINS WORK.
MY ENGLISH IF VERY POOR FORGIVE ME
E-MAIL ANCHRY@IN.GR
BEST REGARDS
ANDREAS

Hi Andreas,

It would be good to see the schematics of the Mineoro "detectors", but I doubt that Carl will want to publish these commercial schematics openly on this forum.
One small point - you should not post replies using CAPITAL LETTERS as this is considered as "shouting". It is just part of forum etiquette.
Maybe you could upload the schematics to another site. Many people on this forum use http://www.mytempdir.com
Thanks.

[Dell Winders]

To this phenomenom, Alonso (60) and Damásio (70) gave the name of "Substance Classifier" or just "Classifier". This denomination was necessary to differentiate from the expression "discrimination",commonly used in other systems of detection by electromagnetic waves. About the "classifier" it is good to inform that it is possible to manufacture classifiers for other metal and non-metal substances. It is possible to classify blood in its kinds; plants and its kinds; drugs and its kinds, etc. at long distance. That is why we announced in the media that we are talking about " A MODERN INVENTION".

I read the changes in the new models and believe it is for the better. With the LRL's I am familiar with it is well understood that increasing the broadcast strength, increases the range, the ability to detect newly placed surface samples, and overcome some interference. There are some trade offs such as increased sensitivity to detect even micron sized particles when clustered, and too much broadcast strength creates distortion resulting in off target locations.

I am happy to see Mineoro, include an adjustable power output. This can be a helpful feature. I couldn't understand why they had not included this feature in previous models?

QUESTIONS OF INTEREST for MINEORO?
The Mineoro, webpage illustrations show Ions rising vertically straight up from the target to a specific height above the surface of the ground. Is this pattern an established Scientific fact about the physics of Ions, or is it the presumption of the inventors?

Thank you for your kind efforts to have my questions answered. Dell

[hung]

I am happy to see Mineoro, include an adjustable power output. This can be a helpful feature. I couldn't understand why they had not included this feature in previous models?

Maybe because the time is now?

QUESTIONS OF INTEREST for MINEORO?
The Mineoro, webpage illustrations show Ions rising vertically straight up from the target to a specific height above the surface of the ground. Is this pattern an established Scientific fact about the physics of Ions, or is it the presumption of the inventors?

No. The inventors would not make presumptions. They measured this exaustively and found out the above. In fact, I need to ask Damasio about details on this when I see him again. I want to know in particular if this exact height varies with the mass of the buried object, or it's a constant factor caused by the earth electrostatics...
I am almost sure that this could raise controversy in the scientific comunity as with hundreds of other matters, but if they both claim this, they know what they're talking about.
Stand by that if I get to talk to him, I'll post his answer.

[Carl-NC]

It would be good to see the schematics of the Mineoro "detectors", but I doubt that Carl will want to publish these commercial schematics openly on this forum.

No, I'll be glad to post them, with Andreas' permission. I'll have to dig out the emails he sent me, so it may be a day or two...

[Dell Winders]

Thanks! I'm trying to ascertain if we are studying the same energy fields? There appear to be striking similarities with reference to Mineoro's description, but there are wide descrepancies between some parts of our studies and analysis.

The "fields" I am familiar with do not necessarily rise vertical from the target to the surface. In earlier years, they were mostly vertical with an occasional offset of 1-9 degrees to the South. The residual effects of years of a double Solar cycle, the slowing of the earth's spinning core, and the migration of the earths polarity, appear to have changed that. There is no longer any predicability as to whether the target "Field" will be rising vertical, at an angle, or the degree of angle.

I have electronicly metered these "Fields" to an altitude above the ground surface of 2,000 feet from an aircraft with a Frequency Discriminator, located the anomalies on the ground, and ground truthed at least one of the anomalies.

Using another electronic method referred to as a "Gamma Scan" for the lack of a better name, we have conducted Treasure survey's using an aircraft and later ground truthed the locations, that were detected from altitudes up to 6,000 feet, and 150 miles distance. The Denver, Co mint was used as a reference point in learning to calibrate the instrument from the air, at distances up to 350 miles.

There is more, but the interesting thing is, the target signals from these high tech electronic instruments can be metered with simple L-Rod(s). We are easily able to did this with the Mineoro.

It will be interesting for me to learn if the New Mineoro, has the broadcast strength to over come the conditions that hindered our use of the model tested in Central Florida, and appears to me to be a problem in other parts of the USA as well, before I would consider, or reccommend it's purchase at this time.

Knowing what I know about the field use of LRL, I am skeptical of the New Mineoro models ability to perform consistently under our present operating conditions. I hope I can look forward to being proved wrong. Dell

[hung]

Dell, upon the indonesia tsunami period, in which the earth's axis tilted a little bit, Damasio told me that this could have influenced the ionic and electrostatic field propagation in some way.
I don't know exactly what he did but some days later he returned to me saying that nothing had changed.

The height of the field being around 7 feet above the earth's surface refers exclusively to the ionic/electrostatic field. I'm sure there are other fields involved , such as EM spectrums which can be picked up by MFDs. But those are different aproaches.

One thing worth of mentioning. Damasio built and uses an ionic Lrod. He is a master on it. When going to the beach with him at the time I was there, the ionic fields were awfully low. My PDC seemed useless. With his ionic rod, he detected an object kept walking till he was over it and told me. 'Here. try the PDC over here', he said showing me an exact spot. I pointed the PDC over it 4 inches away and it beeped! Making a confirmation.

The procedure is always the same. He only decides to go to the beach when in the factory test field he experiments with his rod and find there's enough ionic field activity worth of going out.
His rod is indeed incredible.
One close affiliate told me that a famous american rod user came to know about his rod and decided to fly to Garopaba to see it. Prior to using Damasio's rod, he was saying how good and unique his own rod was...
To make a long story short, he left his rod there and took the ionic one back home.

[Dell Winders]

The procedure is always the same. He only decides to go to the beach when in the factory test field he experiments with his rod and find there's enough ionic field activity worth of going out.

Hung, I can relate to every thing you say. However, because Damasio, finds it necessary to check his test field to deterimine if the ionic fields are strong enough for the Ionic rod to work, it would appear that he is in doubt himself that the Mineoro, will always work except for the specific 2 hour period in the middle of the day that is implied in the instructions. Is the consumer not being openly informed of all the Mineoro's, limitations?

The height of the field being around 7 feet above the earth's surface refers exclusively to the ionic/electrostatic field. I'm sure there are other fields involved , such as EM spectrums which can be picked up by MFDs. But those are different aproaches.

The simple locator rod I build only detects the target "field" up to 2 feet above the surface which makes it highly directional (pictured with the X-SCAN) We field compared a simple Non-electronic Gold directional rod with the Mineoro, and the locations were the same each time with the use of either. with little difference in the results, or limitations, the visible difference is obvious. Size, weight, appearance and the MIneoro, has an electronic circuit that beeps. Minero, has marketing appeal. Consumers have been oriented to a technological age. Consumers expect this and are willing to pay the price for Beep technology.

His rod is indeed incredible.
One close affiliate told me that a famous american rod user came to know about his rod and decided to fly to Garopaba to see it. Prior to using Damasio's rod, he was saying how good and unique his own rod was...
To make a long story short, he left his rod there and took the ionic one back home.

As a Professional Treasure hunter/salvor, I can relate to that. I've always sought after methods better than I was presently using. That's how I became knoledgeable in the field use of all types of gizmos, gadgets, technologies and detection methods on the market.

If Mineoro, had proven better than what I presently use, I would purchase a Mineoro, but the new unit we tested, did not.

The Mineoro Florida customer is now asking less than $3,000 for his like new Mineoro, with all the accessories including Depth & Center. He thinks it is a fine product, but unfortunately it did not live up to his own unrealistic expectations generated by Mineoro, marketing strategy. A wannabe Treasure hunters weakness is to want the best, even if it's made to sound too good to be true.

Now, less than a year later, Mineoro, is promoting another improved technology for another investment of several thousand dollars. Of course this has greatly dimminished the value of this customer's investment in the Mineoro product, he recently purchased. The irony is that he had to wait several months for delivery of the supposed new factory upgrade to the model he did purchase in order to have the latest and the best, which he apparently does not have. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

No, I'll be glad to post them, with Andreas' permission. I'll have to dig out the emails he sent me, so it may be a day or two...

Thanks Carl. I'm sure we are all eager to see these schematics.

[ANDREAS]

Dear friends. Hello again. Carl does not need he searches for the drawings. I prefer something better. I present my own drawings. The beginning of operation of electronic circuit is supported in the same phenomenon that the MINEORO used for all old her own detectors. All the circuit functions. The regulations will be sent slower personal in whoever it finds the solution. I want through the FOrum is discussed also my joy is to occupy all "what sees".
I would only want to add that personally I do not interest itself for the hunting of treasures, but, interpretation of various unknown phenomena. Consequently the regulations will not be published through the Forum, because, I do not want becomes commercial exploitation.
Because I have a certain problem with the Internet explorer I want a e-mail in order to I send
Drawings in jpeg. I request the drawings to be published immediately in Forum
Friendlily
Andreas e-mail ANCHRY@IN. gr.