MINERO

[Lost in NC]

Lost in NC

I can only support you to continue with that magnificent project! If mineoro can do
simillar....than we can do better! One hint: that shovel should be automatic! It can
save you from hard labour - digging...It should dig alone without human effort!On the
holder you can include gprs unit too...So if you asleep while waiting shovel to finish,
later you can trace it by that unit!

thanks for the encouragement! maybe i will get around to buildign on eof these in my spare time for kicks and grins. i think the automatic shovel idea is suberb. we can offer this as the "manuel" option. an upgrade that will only set you back an extra 999.95!

[Esteban]

In italic letters, Robert wrote:

Do not waste your time and energy on names, Esteban....try to focus on ideas, if you want to learn something here...

Yes, I want to learn here. Also I'm waiting for ideas from your part. All of us ignores the major part of all the things.

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Besides i have been already accused here that i am Robert,Sony,Leto,Strujas ......and now i can be ivconic too....i do not mind at all..

Yes, I agree, think this is not the case. Is some difficult fight against multipersonality...

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How did you knew that !!?? Ha,ha,ha...

Suspicions...

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I have to kill you now! All of you!



Do you have a good plan?

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... you may consider yourself as a very lucky man having chance to experiment with their pcbs...!

Yes, this is true. And I said thanks all the persons provide me.

Also have schematics of Mineoro (number 493 of my list):

493. Various Mineoro schematics, two boxes, etc.:
- 08 MI - Two boxes
- 89 MC - Two boxes
- BL 692 - Two boxes
- 8 VLl - MD
- 8 VLU - MD
- Modifications in Mineoro’s 8VLU
- CM 80
- D1 and D2 - BFO
- MP 10 - Two boxes
- DC 2006 - Pistol long range
- Pointronic 98 - Pistol long range
- DCH 85 - Pistol long range

And other pistol for to added in my list (don't remember the model).


And mine ideas and schematics, sensors, etc.

Clariffy: I don't work in Mineoro. I don't work for Mineoro.

No pedantry. I wish to demonstrate you and all I'm not a lier.

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But OF COURSE !!! I never doubted that! If you do that, you can lose all that glory which expects you in future! Same as mineoro! Same as your cousin.....

Wich glory? The glory for me and the money for others?

And as I'm not doctor in Physics or similar, no credit for nobody. True.


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Believe me Robert: you not need much for to build long range MD, my uglies PCBs over Mineoro's main PCB is enough... and some kind of homemade sensor in antenna.

I know various kinds of LR detection:

- radio - antenna
- infrared - light (this is a good hot antenna!)
- electromagnetic - coil - square and round antennas
- microvoltmeter - antenna
- high voltage
- variations of these
- the better and more new (my discovery in sensor?): detection of molecular vibration of metal (frequency, low signal) - appears selective

If the field for experimentation is very large, why the manufacturers are closely only in coil types? They only added screen and some tones for targets, but the depth of the detection is the same or similar than 20 years ago with all the reduction of noise in ICs. Maybe the problem is the regulation in power transmitter or what?

[robert]

O.K.


"...Yes, I want to learn here. Also I'm waiting for ideas from your part. All of us ignores
the major part of all the things...."

I guess now is the time to clear up some things. You already used bunch of my ideas so many
times! You are just not awared yet! Robert is just my alter ego here. I wanted to split on
two quite different subjects. EE who is posting some technicals and RObert who
is bully, acting rude from time to time,provoking other nice people here (of course You too)
to START USING MIGHTY BRAINS they have! Sometimes there are much of argue....even war.But
it showed some results so far. I do not want to mix my professional attitude with my very
own,personal opinion.That was the only reason.
Do not try to guess second nickname here, you'll never guess it! Michael tried and tried
but without any success....sorry Michael! So i do not "ignore the major part of all things"
here, trust me!
"...Do you have a good plan?..."

Yes! Perfect plan! To let you to continue with your beliefs on LRL subject, of course this
include all mineoro doubts so far....
This would be enough to kill you for sure! At least financially!!!

"No pedantry. I wish to demonstrate you and all I'm not a lier..."
I never said that! I do not think that at all! I do beleive that you are just too naive!
But it will come to you sooner or later anyway...
"Wich glory? The glory for me and the money for others?"
Right! Good thinking! Think for a moment on money, mineoro can take, cose people like you
promoting their products here and on the other places!
Last you can do to compenstate is to post here every of their projects,schematics etc. to
help others to see,check and decide about it....When i saw White's schematic for the first
time and checked it, i didn't decide to build it...of course not, but i dug that it is
very good machine so i decided to buy it...at the time...And of course i bought it, and now
i am happy owner! Since i am ee, i always wanted first to see all the aspects of some
apparatus, than to decide to have it or not....I do not beleive in plain advetisments at all
even if they came from very serious manufacturer like White's, in this case.

Of course there is another side of the story, There is a kind of people who have grabbed
somehow some projects and schematics from others and later decide to earn some money on it,
buy trying to sell those, using free forums for example.First by posting some non-interesting
or semi-interesting stuff here(which nobody asked for), than very shifty advertise what
they want to sell by posting some interesting appreciations,hints,remarks,particles etc...
It is very easy to gush them! Just list the forum and read some posts twice...Ha,ha,ha!!!

"Believe me Robert: you not need much for to build long range MD, my uglies PCBs over
Mineoro's main PCB is enough... and some kind of homemade sensor in antenna...."

I do beleive you.But those toys are not working what they supposed to do! Not detecting
any metal anywhere! I made dozen so far, some of them many years ago. I experimented,
tested,checked......Nothing! Those machines do something(very funny) but never what
they claimed to do!
If you ever found anything on the field without conventional md, than it was random find,
lucky guess or your natural "skill" but NEVER YOUR LRL! If you do not beleive me than
it is very easy to check that. Do some double blind tests, first you,than ask some of
your "non-prospector" friends to repeat that...and you'll see!
Read more of this in Challenge, Carl put that much better than me, there...

"If the field for experimentation is very large, why the manufacturers are closely only
in coil types? They only added screen and some tones for targets, but the depth of the
detection is the same or similar than 20 years ago with all the reduction of noise in ICs.
Maybe the problem is the regulation in power transmitter or what?..."

Not true! Huge differences between oldies and new ones! But this technique dated from the
begining of last century. Science developed quite new techniques, much better, powerfull,
much efficieny.....Only those are much more expensive....For example trace some cesium
gradiometer on the .net...
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"- radio - antenna
- infrared - light (this is a good hot antenna!)
- electromagnetic - coil - square and round antennas
- microvoltmeter - antenna
- high voltage "
Almost forgot! This list of yours makes me think that you are much confused about
fundamentals related to radio principles! You just can not confuse behavior of radio
waves in any way with any principle of metal detecting. Radio wave is quite another
thing and nothing related to it can not be applied to metal detector! Trust me! At least
i am very good in radio stuff.Worked as professional so many years and main subject was
radio waves, antenas, repeaters, power tx's etc...!
The same with infrared! Such high freq. can not penetrate anywhere solid!
"Microvoltmeter - antenna" ???????? What? Now you are confused resistivity meter principles
with something!?
"electromagnetic - coil - square and round antennas"....Huhh! Agan huge confusion!
Coil is not antenna! Let me give you funny example! Let's take Classic III coil for
example. Freq.should be from 6.35kHz to 6.55 kHz. So radio wave is aprox. 50km long!!!
Does it means that Classic III can detect item on that distance? Or TX covers such
area!??? Of course not! It has nothing to do with radio wave. It is just resonant freq.
of presented e field, and CLIII coil is NOT ANTENNA !!! Perfect antena should be lambdax1.
But mainly we use lambda/4 in almost all aplications ever! But if you "disect" CLIII tx
coil you'll count only 31 winding!??? Very suitable for some SW freq., which means a few
Mhz's !? So i'll repeat: do not mix radio with md at all!
"- high voltage"....What? Many experiments busted so far on that. Even great Nikola Tesla
stucked on it...."Does not drink any water...." Ha,ha,ha !
Another very funny example is Avramenko's fork....ha,ha,ha,ha....Why led's flashes!???
Ha,ha,ha,ha....Just closer examine the nearest TX shaft of local radio station in your
place. You'll notice red light on the top of that shaft. It flashes by night to prevent
some plane to crush or simillar...i guess!? That red ligh has not any power line at all.
Than how it radiate??? Without any power??? Ask your local radio ee...Ha,ha,ha...
Maybe it is a sort of Avramenko's fork....who knows? Ha,ha,ha......
I am to tired to give you more arguments here....Sorry...it's been a hard day today...
regards

[Esteban]

Robert:

Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts!

Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma!

You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector, but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok?

If you pretend to build according the same principle of classic MD, you're wrong! (But... a good MD you can convert in long range, and comprobe how our senses isn't enough.)

[hung]

Robert:

Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts!

Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma!

You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector, but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok?

If you pretend to build according the same principle of classic MD, you're wrong! (But... a good MD you can convert in long range, and comprobe how our senses isn't enough.)

Esteban, don' let tis guy take your time. Leave him talking alone..

[Carl-NC]

From here on, foul language and name-calling gets deleted... no more warnings... if I have to keep doing this, then the next step is banning...

[michael]

Thank you Carl

Thank you Carl. It's a very good step. I appreciate it though it could have done much earlier. Not bad if check; http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=11899
the member again calls names with derogatory phrase (suck...)
apparently can't do in normal and polite manner and is hard for him tolerate the opponent opinions.
this is far from a forum etiquette. may be our opinions here not be like or even be opposite, but never have right to mock or humiliate each other. every idea or belief is respectable in it's place. Again thank you very much.

[robert]

Onesided!???


CArl do not be onesided!
Cant you see who started first....or he is just your good friend?
Congratulation Carl....
You asking a lot of job un further...

[robert]

First read it...than delete it !!!


SINCE CARL DID NOT READ MY LAST POST - JUST DELETED IT WITHOUT ANY INTEREST FIRST
TO READ IT...I AM REPEATING IT AGAIN:
Just to remind present people here:
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Hung to Esteban : "...Esteban, don' let tis guy take your time. Leave him talking alone.."
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Well,well ...!??? I do not remember, that, me or Esteban mentioned your name or anything
connected to you Hung.....Correct me if i am wrong.
We were discussing some Esteban's claims and i was very ready to calm down my tone and
start a sort of dialogue with him, cose he looks like a man with who man can talk even
if not agree in many points.
Esteban showed some respectfull character here on this forum....
I was ready to discuss more deeper any of aspects of his ideas and claims.
To tell the truth i was(and still i am) very interested about some of Esteban's experiments,
claims and opinions.
I am EE and profesional, i do rank my self very high, i am not false modest, i am not
hypocrite to think about myself high but at the same time present myself very modest here...
Esteban is not EE....so what? I do not mind.... All of his previous posts showed me his
great dedication to this md subject. I was ready to argue with him(polite), exchange some
knowledge etc...
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But all of the sudden you showed, unbidden, unnasked with a brilliant sentence:
"...Leave him talking alone...."
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Bravo Hung! Very easy you trampled over my effort to make at least some comunication
with Esteban...!!!????
That is this Forum for! To comunicate,cooperate....exchange....Even between people with
very oposite opinions and attitudes....
But not for you! For you this forum has only one purpose: to advertise only one product,
to spit on others and from time to time to provoke everybody else who do not agree with
that....
I am sure that you gonna disregard my posts, and i am glad for that.Better to stay that way!
I am writting this for others to explain my behavior, language and attitude...
When you asked for trouble, be sure, you'll get it !!!
I do not feel any remorse. My reaction was very right! I can react even worse, But trust
me, you do not want that!
I deleted here some words .....
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Esteban we may continue or not...As you wish.. I have no hard feelings on you at all.
Your sketchy list of principles is interesting me. I would like you to go detailed and
explain some of your claims and ideas. You do not have to uncover your secrets but
just a bit to explain what you listed above....
I posted my critics on it, as it was - sketchy, in manner to provoke you to explain more.
If you feel angry and do not want to, than O.K. ...
"...Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts!
Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds
of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma!
You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector,
but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok...."
My "inflated texts" are not empty retorics! You may check my claims any time....
Theory.......without theory the rest is "fog" walking or jump from a clif....
".....You fail..."
What makes you think that i failed ??? You do not know yet about my experiments on that
subject...??? Be pationed, talk, give and wait to take....
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The rest of people here can see and check every claims....This is very public, so if you do
not have anything "tactile" to say here.....well??? Disregarding is very weak weapon....
Somebody showed his illiteracy. He also showed will only to advertise and provoke....
Esteban it is your turn now to make difference ...

I DELETED A FEW WORDS FROM THIS POST....O.K. CARL YOU CAN ERASE ALL... BUT FIRST READ AND
TRY TO UNDERSTAND BACKUP OF THAT - THAN ERASE....
OTHERWISE....!!!!????

[robert]

My sad story....


Hi folks! Here is my sad story....No need for words...pictures are enough!

[robert]

True story...

This is my ad and true story....

[robert]

last picture

last picture

[SRL]

true story

this was the true story in backstage:

[robert]

???????????????

:confused: :confused: :confused:
Whats your story SRL man ???
I do have certain "history" here. My war is only mine!
Whats your story????
Your post is gonna provoke them to convince me again! Dirty language....
very dirty!!!
I decided to stop a few days ago!
My next posts would be only pictures without dirty "words"!!!
I "wash my hands" of you!!!!
:mad:

[sony]

You'll die hard !



Huuh!!! Can't you see Robert..??? Can't you recognize him???
Looking more carefully on style and utterance i can swear that
SRL is nobody else but one of those two "sweet LRL boys" you
being arguing with lately!
English language ignorance, spelling(orthography) ignorance too!?
If you look their previous posts, read it carefully, compare style
of "naming" words in sentence....than you'll notice and find out
who is SRL ....Ha,ha,ha....SRL your style is so transparent!
SRL you are trying to imitate "rude and dirty" language of me and
RObert....but weak...very weak man.
You were thinking to "answer" the same way to us...Ha,ha,ha.....

Only one thing you are missing: STYLE...
Brains and style. You just have to know when,where and how to put
words togather.

What you done here is crap! I hope that Carl is gonna delete this

the same way he deleted our stupid posts...
I have only one more thing to say....BUT WITHOUT NAMING ANYBODY HERE!!!

Gays would stay gays !!! Even if changing nicknames and reposting
pictures with changed txts....gays always stay gays !!!
Lack of arguments "push" brainless people to act stupid! Ha!

The WAR continue !!! But next phase is something much different!
Until liers, gays and frauds die !!!


P.S.

By the way... this is not just a presumption. We done our investigation
we traced him, we do have his ip.... WE ARE THE MASTERS OF .NET !!!!
Nobody can hide from us....and nobody can trace us !!!!
Next is "bombing" him to death!!!