MFD Frequencies?

[J_Player]

“But since we are only talking about NMR frequencies in this thread, I will save my discussions of whether MFD and rods work or not for other threads.”
Hi J_player
I remember saw cure about NMR in book. Resonance region is sharp. If assume LRODS
Base on NMR . then we need very precision and high stable oscillator for example 4.9876445…khz
Also we must be measure exactly magnetic vector amplitude at place of under search
Area. But all of oscillators use with LRODS is simply oscillator without high stability design .
Best regards.

Hi Aft,
If we were using MRI methods to determine if a particular substance is present, then the substance is placed in a very high strength uniform magnetic field which will produce a sharp center frequency where a pure substance will resonate. In this condition, it makes sense to adjust your oscillator to a fairly precise frequency. But when the same substance is placed in the earth magnetic field near the ground or under the ground, the field is 350 times weaker and not very uniform. In this condition, the center frequency for resonating is not a sharp narrow band. The center resonant frequency quickly becomes a wider band as we reduce the magnetic field and allow the non-uniform variations in field that we find near the ground. By the time we reach the earth field strength, the resonant frequency is lost in the noise. In the uneven earth field, the sample substance is resonating at many frequencies depending on the various magnetic field strengths that pass through the sample from anomalies in the earth field. You no longer have any use for a precision oscillator because there is no longer a precise single resonant frequency for the buried sample. Use any frequency you like, and you will get the same signal of nothing coming back from the sample. The wide frequency band and the weak response is so bad that we can only see noise, not even a hint of a resonant frequency.

Take a look a the video which shows what happens to a sample when you are looking for the NMR frequency and you remove the sample from the high strength magnetic field: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPXbD..._order&list=UL

You can see the difference... it no longer matters what you set the oscillator frequency for in the earth field because the resonant response has disappeared. The sample is no longer close enough to respond to the resonator. And if it was, you would find a very wide band shifted frequency which overlaps the noise. The high strength and uniform magnetic field was needed to make the resonant response visible above the background noise.

See measured NMR response below...
Does this give you some idea of why your trick of the mind theory seems to be a more likely explanation for why MFD users report success?

[Mike(Mont)]

Correction: Here is the correct way

1. Start by finding the strength for your area. My area today was 55374

2. Convert this number to Tesla. Easiest way is just add four decimal places in front. So 55374 becomes .000055374

3. Divide 2.35/.000055374 = 43645 (remember you have to find the strength for your area).

4. Divide 1,754,000/43645 = 41.3 Hz

[Mike(Mont)]

j_p remember the human nervous system and a good quality consciousness and good L-rod skill can filter the background noise out. Believe it or not.

[Qiaozhi]

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[J_Player]

j_p remember the human nervous system and a good quality consciousness and good L-rod skill can filter the background noise out. Believe it or not.

Hi Mike(Mont),
I bet you are right.
I bet you can use your consciousness and your custom designed L-rods to filter out all awareness of tricks of the mind you may be experiencing.

Best wishes,
J_P

[aft_72005]

Hi Aft,
If we were using MRI methods to determine if a particular substance is present, then the substance is placed in a very high strength uniform magnetic field which will produce a sharp center frequency where a pure substance will resonate. In this condition, it makes sense to adjust your oscillator to a fairly precise frequency. But when the same substance is placed in the earth magnetic field near the ground or under the ground, the field is 350 times weaker and not very uniform. In this condition, the center frequency for resonating is not a sharp narrow band. The center resonant frequency quickly becomes a wider band as we reduce the magnetic field and allow the non-uniform variations in field that we find near the ground. By the time we reach the earth field strength, the resonant frequency is lost in the noise. In the uneven earth field, the sample substance is resonating at many frequencies depending on the various magnetic field strengths that pass through the sample from anomalies in the earth field. You no longer have any use for a precision oscillator because there is no longer a precise single resonant frequency for the buried sample. Use any frequency you like, and you will get the same signal of nothing coming back from the sample. The wide frequency band and the weak response is so bad that we can only see noise, not even a hint of a resonant frequency.

Take a look a the video which shows what happens to a sample when you are looking for the NMR frequency and you remove the sample from the high strength magnetic field: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPXbD..._order&list=UL

You can see the difference... it no longer matters what you set the oscillator frequency for in the earth field because the resonant response has disappeared. The sample is no longer close enough to respond to the resonator. And if it was, you would find a very wide band shifted frequency which overlaps the noise. The high strength and uniform magnetic field was needed to make the resonant response visible above the background noise.

See measured NMR response below...
Does this give you some idea of why your trick of the mind theory seems to be a more likely explanation for why MFD users report success?

Hi J_Player
You said exactly very well . yes , for some reason we cannot, find target by LRODS base
On NMR .
But I pointed to the subject here , the company in my country produced LRODS with
Oscillator at far past , unfortunately I couldn’t work rally with it . I saw and study only user manual .
Oscillator out put voltage was very high and apply to ground , from 12 volt / hi amperage battery . the variable electronic oscillator box with battery weight was 7 KG.
2 LROD connect to small box as named in manual “ receiver” . There are some switchs
On receiver box to select metal type . if person when with LRODS while walk , if rods contact with together , produced big electrical shock for user !!!!!!!!!.
Many users of this system said found items with successfully . for a longer time didn’t produced this system . this is interesting for me “ is high voltage oscillation is affected really visible long buried metals underground??”
Please “ what is your opinion?”
Best regards.

[J_Player]

Hi J_Player
You said exactly very well . yes , for some reason we cannot, find target by LRODS base
On NMR .
But I pointed to the subject here , the company in my country produced LRODS with
Oscillator at far past , unfortunately I couldn’t work rally with it . I saw and study only user manual .
Oscillator out put voltage was very high and apply to ground , from 12 volt / hi amperage battery . the variable electronic oscillator box with battery weight was 7 KG.
2 LROD connect to small box as named in manual “ receiver” . There are some switchs
On receiver box to select metal type . if person when with LRODS while walk , if rods contact with together , produced big electrical shock for user !!!!!!!!!.
Many users of this system said found items with successfully . for a longer time didn’t produced this system . this is interesting for me “ is high voltage oscillation is affected really visible long buried metals underground??”
Please “ what is your opinion?”
Best regards.

Hi Aft,
I will believe this works only if I can watch it work with my own eyes to pass a double blind test 7 times or more in 10 trials.

Best wishes,
J_P

[aft_72005]

Hi Aft,
I will believe this works only if I can watch it work with my own eyes to pass a double blind test 7 times or more in 10 trials.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes, I agree with you, I didn’t see real working with my eyes. only heard!!!!!
But I want your opinions or other people opinions at this thread about applying
High voltage variable frequency oscillator to ground?????
Best regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, I agree with you, I didn’t see real working with my eyes. only heard!!!!!
But I want your opinions or other people opinions at this thread about applying
High voltage variable frequency oscillator to ground?????
Best regards.

If LRODS are involved, then it's still dowsing; even if you apply a million volts to the ground.

[Geo]

If LRODS are involved, then it's still dowsing; even if you apply a million volts to the ground.

What interests us is the right result and not the name of the method.
If it works I do not care if you named dowsing, pulse induction, vlf or anything else. But you probably have a problem with some words ....

[Mike(Mont)]

On another thread Tim said NMR frequencies have nothing to do with MFD. I just thought I would mention this here as a sort of disclaimer.

I also want to reinterate MFD is not exactly like a radio transmitter and receiver as many of the skeptics seem to imagine. However the signal line works, it somehow acts as an antenna. Why does it take time to build up? If it was just a radio signal reflection it would take no time. From what I know about resonance, it does not have to be exact--maybe this is why it takes some time to build.

[Mike(Mont)]

I've done work with an electronic receiver and another coil I built. The signal line (or whatever you want to call it) is there. I have not been able to pick it up with the typical low power MFD. That's L-rod territory. I was able to boost the output and pick up a weaker signal. So I would say it's a power issue. Most MFD's run on very low power and there is a reason for this.

[Qiaozhi]

What interests us is the right result and not the name of the method.

I agree, but ...

If it works I do not care if you named dowsing, pulse induction, vlf or anything else. But you probably have a problem with some words ....

... since dowsing has been proven to produce results no better than guessing, and the use of an MFD involves dowsing rods, then [by implication] it doesn't matter how much voltage you connect to the ground, the result will still be the same. That is, no better than guessing.

[aft_72005]

I've done work with an electronic receiver and another coil I built. The signal line (or whatever you want to call it) is there. I have not been able to pick it up with the typical low power MFD. That's L-rod territory. I was able to boost the output and pick up a weaker signal. So I would say it's a power issue. Most MFD's run on very low power and there is a reason for this.

Hi Mike
What is signal line? What is inside of receiver circuit ? is it tuned receiver on main transmitter frequency ?
Best regards.

[Mike(Mont)]

I don't have an exact definition of what a signal line is, but it must be some kind of concentration of lines of force that develop between an MFD transmitter and the target. My understanding is it is magnetic. That's what is detected when a person with L-rods walks around the transmitter. I do not know what is inside an electronic receiver.