Gold Sample

[Qiaozhi]

... But the Vertex made Thomas Alifani a rich man while the PD did not make Alonso rich.

I don't think that is a good way to measure the usefulness of either device. All it proves is that TA is a better salesman.

[J_Player]

Hi
The Vertex is more a dowsing detector while the PD is purely an electronic detector. I think the PD is much better than the Vertex. But the Vertex made Thomas Alifani a rich man while the PD did not make Alonso rich

Regards

Alonso is only inventor... not owner of LRL factory.
Maybe Alonso is not rich, but Damasio was rich....
Many euros from believers in Mineoro...

Many pay money to Mineoro factory after watching detection of plastic markers and magical videos, and reading hung forum stories of finding wonderful treasures with Mineoro...

For Vertex, I take a look under my car and I find a catalytic converter next to the muffler... looks to be the same design as Ver-tex..
After I open this catalytic converter I find materials that contain platinum. Now I am sure the vertex must really work...
It is the exact same design as the catalytic converter under my car...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

VERTEX :

BIG,EXPENSIVE,DIFICULT TO HANDLE,NOT WORK AS LRL FOR PRECIOUS METALS.


PD PISTOLDETEKTOR :

SMALL,VERY LIGTH TO HANDLE,WORK AS LRL FOR TREASURES AND AS MEDIUM RANGE LOCATOR FOR COINS.


The VERTEX design seems to be made by a person who have the head in the moon,same as the H3rod,tipical from star war movie,and useles LRL´s

Hi
The Vertex is more a dowsing detector while the PD is purely an electronic detector. I think the PD is much better than the Vertex. But the Vertex made Thomas Alifani a rich man while the PD did not make Alonso rich

Regards

[Geo]

Ah, yes ... I remember now. There was a thread dedicated to the Vertex LRL here ->
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735

The time goes quickly
It was before 4 years......

[Morgan]

VERTEX

Hi.
Yes it is like bicycle hadlebars, but it is made all from plastic peaces and plastic pipes.

VERTEX :

BIG,EXPENSIVE,DIFICULT TO HANDLE,NOT WORK AS LRL FOR PRECIOUS METALS.


PD PISTOLDETEKTOR :

SMALL,VERY LIGTH TO HANDLE,WORK AS LRL FOR TREASURES AND AS MEDIUM RANGE LOCATOR FOR COINS.


The VERTEX design seems to be made by a person who have the head in the moon,same as the H3rod,tipical from star war movie,and useles LRL´s

[Qiaozhi]

Ah, yes ... I remember now. There was a thread dedicated to the Vertex LRL here ->

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735

[Geo]

I must say that, when I first looked at the photo you posted, I thought it was a set of bicycle handlebars. How is it supposed to be held?

Hi.
Yes it is like bicycle hadlebars, but it is made all from plastic peaces and plastic pipes.

[goldfinder]

Someone do the expt - plez

Hi goldfinder,

In many ways I think you are right. To begin, let's make a distinction between dowsing methods using samples and electronic methods using samples. In the case of dowsing while using a sample, there is no discussion other than the skeptical viewpoint of "trick of mind" and the believer viewpoint of "I saw it work". So this leaves us with a discussion of the electronic metal locators which use a sample placed near the receiver coil.

Your opinion of this kind of locator is:
"...Still it warrants some spectrum anaylzer testing for example set up some kind of receiver between two gold coins, use a sensitive magnetic detection circuit and run the analyzer through it paces. Maybe even stimulate one of the gold coins with a frequency or a lot of frequencies..."

This sounds like an interesting experiment to me. I suspect that if you were to perform this test you would discover there is no frequency which shows any special resonance to any particular metal. But it is still a good experiment to perform in order to confirm that what I suspect is correct or is incorrect. I would think it is a good idea to place a spectrum analyzer in an electrically clean environment and see what kind of frequencies you can find with nothing there. Then introduce a signal generator and see what you detect as the generator is moved from 1 Hz to the MHz range. Then repeat the experiment again when gold coins are placed in the same electrically clean environment. Then we can follow up by placing coins that are made of other metal alloys.

This should give some good information to work with for future reference.

Best wishes,
J_P

JP,
I always like your thorough testing approach. Unfortunately, I don't have an spectrum analyzer. Anyone out there in detector experiment land w/ said SA and a little time on their hands would they run the experiment and tell us the results. If there is a pony in the HS we would all benefit immensely!
Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

Hi.
This muffler is for 2 stroke engines.
Ver_Tex has a 4 stroke engine

Regards

I must say that, when I first looked at the photo you posted, I thought it was a set of bicycle handlebars. How is it supposed to be held?

[Geo]

Very strange LRL. You have big colection of all sort of LRL´s.

Regards

Thank you

[Geo]

Hi.
This muffler is for 2 stroke engines.
Ver_Tex has a 4 stroke engine

Regards

[J_Player]

VerTex....
...inside the ground it had not results.
A lot of work for nothing, yes another fraud.

originally posted by Morgan
Very strange LRL. You have big colection of all sort of LRL´s.

The Ver-Tex can still be used for good performance if you make some easy mods as shown below to work as a muffler for your car or truck.
It should work ok for petrol or diesel if the proper mods are made.

[Morgan]

VER-TEX

Hi Morgan.
Take a photo (bad quality) from the Ver_tex

Regards

Very strange LRL. You have big colection of all sort of LRL´s.

Regards

[J_Player]

JP,
Thank you for correcting me. So There is a gold sample in the receiver circuit and you say it does not work, and it is not dowsing. I have run across this many times with other "exotic" (un-orthodox) circuits that do not work when really tested and there was some kind of hokus-pokus aspect to the device that supposedly makes it work.

Still it warrants some spectrum anaylzer testing for example set up some kind of receiver between two gold coins, use a sensitive magnetic detection circuit and run the analyzer through it paces. Maybe even stimulate one of the gold coins with a frequency or a lot of frequencies. Might be a pony in all the HS.

If it was dowsing then I understand the gold as "witness" idea and have seen dowsers find samples where someone in the group knows there it is. The real goal is to find those hidden zillion we all dream of.
Goldfinder

Hi goldfinder,

In many ways I think you are right. To begin, let's make a distinction between dowsing methods using samples and electronic methods using samples. In the case of dowsing while using a sample, there is no discussion other than the skeptical viewpoint of "trick of mind" and the believer viewpoint of "I saw it work". So this leaves us with a discussion of the electronic metal locators which use a sample placed near the receiver coil.

Your opinion of this kind of locator is:
"...Still it warrants some spectrum anaylzer testing for example set up some kind of receiver between two gold coins, use a sensitive magnetic detection circuit and run the analyzer through it paces. Maybe even stimulate one of the gold coins with a frequency or a lot of frequencies..."

This sounds like an interesting experiment to me. I suspect that if you were to perform this test you would discover there is no frequency which shows any special resonance to any particular metal. But it is still a good experiment to perform in order to confirm that what I suspect is correct or is incorrect. I would think it is a good idea to place a spectrum analyzer in an electrically clean environment and see what kind of frequencies you can find with nothing there. Then introduce a signal generator and see what you detect as the generator is moved from 1 Hz to the MHz range. Then repeat the experiment again when gold coins are placed in the same electrically clean environment. Then we can follow up by placing coins that are made of other metal alloys.

This should give some good information to work with for future reference.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

But i will do again the question...... why this fraud has hidden so good 3 samples??? if someone destroy it, will see it is a fraud, so it can not be fooled by the samples.

It is possible the "designer" believed that the gold samples would actually do something. It's another form of self-delusion.