Carl's phony LRL report

[Fred]

Yes, until you see a real dowsing man. Then you will come with Us......

Regards

I don´t think so Geo: what i would like to see is a real proof, not a real dowsing man.

[Qiaozhi]

When I entered my parody picture after his own, I was censored and it was deleted but his posted picture remained.

I posted the picture to demonstrate one possible explanation for what we were seeing in the video. After that you posted some personal insults due to your inability to carry on an intelligent and non-abusive conversation. Your recent and past behaviour is not open for debate. Please stick with technical discussions and keep your personal abusive comments to yourself. You are heading in the right direction to join Ernie in the great unknown outside of Geotech.

[hung]

You confirm you got offended and took it personal as I had already stated. You shouldn't have done that. You started the idiot joke not me. I just followed your act representing the kind of mentality you display when it comes to dowsing related subjects and when you try to impose your mistaken comprehension on the subject over other members' views.
Since you are the one entitled 'administrator' here, you have the password to delete posts at will and according some rule to fit the occasion. I do not. So do as you please. I couldn't care less about you.

But I do care about justice and democratic expression. If you or anybody here care to review your past posts, it's pretty clear how you mix your role as administrator and moderator with that of a simple posting member.
I invite you to check the LRL forum in TNET on how an administrator/moderator should behave.
But don't worry. You will soon gain your 5 minute fame over there when I discuss the role of administrators in LRL forums.



Cheers.

[Qiaozhi]

I couldn't care less about you.

Hung - this is my last word on the subject. Forget about your disapproval and move on. You know the rules, so make sure you follow them. If you contribute to this forum in a constructive manner, your continued presence here will be assured. If not, you will be forced to take a sabbatical.

The subject of this thread is "Carl's phony LRL report", not "Hung's personal vendetta".

Please stick to it.

[Geo]

I don´t think so Geo: what i would like to see is a real proof, not a real dowsing man.

The real dowsing man can show you the real proof, but my friend we are so far and i can't give you any proof.

Regards

[Mike(Mont)]

To be fair to Vernell Electronics, I do not think that unit Carl reported on was built by them. That one says V.R.800 and Vernell's units say VR(tm)800.

[homefire]

Ge, I wonder if TM means Trade Mark?

[J_Player]

To be fair to Vernell Electronics, I do not think that unit Carl reported on was built by them. That one says V.R.800 and Vernell's units say VR(tm)800.

Mike(Mont) you are a liar!
You have been busted!

You know very well the Dell Systems LRL Carl-NC tested was built by Vernell and sold by Dell Winders with the Omnitron label on it.

Carl-NC described the equipment he tested here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=56940

"...The shipping box said it came from Dell Systems. The manual said Dell Systems. The front of the unit said Dell Systems. The rear label said Dell Systems. Based on all that, I assumed the device came from Dell Systems. It makes no difference to me what individual actually designed the circuit, operated the soldering iron, or the hot glue gun".

Dell Winders states he used and sold Vernell products here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=56818

"...The world knows, and Carl knows that at one time I used, & sold Vernell products. It's no secret. Dell"

Dell Winders tells how he came to sell LRLs made by VR Electronics here:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13301#post56337
"...Vernon Rose, (Vernell) did not start manufacturing FD's until 18 months later, which I also introduced to the market at competetive pricing to stop a profiteering monopoly that was taking place".
"...I added the name "Dell Systems" to "Omnitron" to make the distinction between other manufacturers "Omnitron" and my own".
"...I do not legally own the copyright patent for the name "Omnitron" or "Dell Systems" but I did obtain verbal permission to use the latter, not that it means anything".

But wait....
Mike(Mont) was posting in this same thread where Dell explained the details.
Read the link to see what dell posted -- then scroll down. Who else is making posts here? Not Mike(Mont)...!!? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13301#post56337
You will see Mike(Mont) made 18 posts in that thread where Dell explained he was selling Vernell LRLs that with his label on them.

Mike(Mont) knew the truth all along..!!
And now he comes and spreads lies which he knows to be wrong information in the forum. Why?
To make false accusations against Carl-NC again ?
"...I do not think that unit Carl reported on was built by them".

It won't work, Mike(Mont)..!!
You can't fool us when we can read the truth.
You cannot delete your posts here like you do on other forums.


Best wishes,
J_P

p.s. V.R. is for Vernon Rose, founder of Vernell Electronics, and tm does indeed stand for trademark, which Dell says he had verbal permission to use.

[J_Player]

The real facts about the machine Carl-NC tested are in this thread where Dell and Mike(Mont) both posted: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13301

In post 49, Dell finally tells the facts about how Vernon Rose had the labels made with the "Omnitron", and "Dell" name on them, and how he subsequently sold these LRLs that Vernon Rose manufactured. It would be stupid to try to convince anyone this is not true after you make your own forum posts in the same thread where Dell explained the facts.

But we see Mike(Mont) is posting false information in the Geotech forums a second time with the intent to make another false accusation against Carl-NC.
Does anyone really believe that somebody different than Vernell Rose manufactured Dell's Omnitron V.R. 800, when Dell tells us he did?





If you really wanted to get even with Carl-NC, then why not show he is a stupid skeptic by proving he is wrong about how well your LRL works and take away his $25,000?
What happened?
You can't do that?
So the best you can do is make up a pack of lies to make false accusations instead?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

I said "I think", and unless that means something other than I can't say for sure, how can that be a lie? Unless of course you are insinuating that I intentionally meant to deceive, in which case your mind reading is not accurate, either. I was actually trying to be honest and let someone off the hook on this one since if it wasn't built by Vernell there is a remote possibility that whoever built it did use different frequencies. However, one frequency does match the Vernell Six, so go figure. I might have read that Dell was licensed to build them but I don't recall. So I'm not convinced. Clearly they do not have the same model name.

[J_Player]

I said "I think", and unless that means something other than I can't say for sure, how can that be a lie? Unless of course you are insinuating that I intentionally meant to deceive, in which case your mind reading is not accurate, either. I was actually trying to be honest and let someone off the hook on this one since if it wasn't built by Vernell there is a remote possibility that whoever built it did use different frequencies. However, one frequency does match the Vernell Six, so go figure. I might have read that Dell was licensed to build them but I don't recall. So I'm not convinced.

You started this thread with these opening words: "...I feel it is my civic duty to report that the VR-800 report is way off".
And now you try to pass off "I think" as your sorry excuse to say it is ok to make false accusations?

Read your words:
"To be fair to Vernell Electronics, I do not think that unit Carl reported on was built by them. That one says V.R.800 and Vernell's units say VR(tm)800".

Yes... That is a LIE..!!!

You know very well it was built by Vernell because Dell said it was.
Dell explained all about the nameplates and trademark.
You read the same forum posts we did.
You don't have to recall, because I posted the link where you can read Dell's words and your own words in the same thread!
You cannot think it was built by someone else unless you have serious brain dysfunctions.
Have you ever considered it is your civic duty to apologize when you are aware that you made false accusations?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

I was actually trying to be honest and let someone off the hook on this one...

I'm shocked you didn't pick up on this one. Your meds or whatever you are on seem to have dulled your brain to a dumbed-down state (see, I didn't use the word "stupid").
Whoa, you are going to have a bad hangover.

[homefire]

You all are Because he is just going to go round and round and round.


LOL

[J_Player]

You all are Because he is just going to go round and round and round.


LOL

Well... Yah,
He starts out the thread to talk about Carl's phony LRL report.
Then, when he can't answer Carl to tell what is deceptive in his report, he tries to use fake information to say Vernell did not build this machine.
Then he gets busted and pretends he was "trying to be honest, to let some one off the hook", while not stopping to think that you can't be honest when you are spreading information you know is false.

It seems pretty clear the only time he was telling the truth was when he said he does not read 95% of what is in this forum.
No need to show Mike(Mont) the facts that cannot be erased.
When he can't cope with facts, he will just make derogatory insults which I suppose makes him feel better.


Best wishes,
J_P

[homefire]

You know whats going on, Everone else knows whats going on. I know whats going on.

The sad part is I'm not so sure Mike knows what going on. LOL

I wonder if Mike was the one that Poked me in the eye?

How I learned to mind my own business....

I was walking past the mental hospital the other day,
And all the patients were shouting, '13....13.....13.'

The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a
Little gap in the planks, so when I looked through to see
What was going on .....Some idiot poked me in the eye with a stick!

Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...