Simple question

[ivconic]

Just look the smile on his bony face!
Looking so satisfied!
Maybe he was one really rare successful LRL dowser?
Smiling so mysteriously ... just like Mona Lisa!
He must know something that i don't!

[J_Player]

Just look the smile on his bony face!
Looking so satisfied!
Maybe he was one really rare successful LRL dowser?
Smiling so mysteriously ... just like Mona Lisa!
He must know something that i don't!

Sure, he was successful when he was using his variable-impedance bare feet.
But he soon discovered the shocking consequences.
Of course he will never tell what things he kept hidden under the square lid....


Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

Sure, he was successful when he was using his variable-impedance bare feet.
But he soon discovered the shocking consequences.
Of course he will never tell what things he kept hidden behind the square door....


Best wishes,
J_P

Those LRL guys! They all behave so typical and so predictive!

[goldfinder]

IVconic - i did answer your question

Yes - the signal type is a longitudinal wave. You either missed this or ignored this answer to your question for some reason.

Figure out longitudinal wave generation and detection and you will have your perfect detector.

Goldfinder

[kt315]

spectrum

[WM6]

spectrum

Yes, wishful spectrum - one more wishful theory.

They put on other side of Electromagnetic spectrum so called SUPER spectrum.

I know what "electromagnetic" mean, but what mean "SUPER"?

According this theory (look at drawings) this Super-spectrum is related wit Possession and Schizophrenia - this can be taken as possible explanation.

[Mike(Mont)]

This gets it right to the point, doesn't it? Even if your Average Joe LRL user doesn't know the answer to this, an LRL manufacturer should, eh? Can you imagine a metal detector designer who has no idea how a metal detector works?

I've also asked about the nature of signal lines for 13 years and gotten different answers, and no answers. I've also done my own testing and experiments on trying to physically detect the signal and gotten exactly zero results. Now, I agree, and have repeatedly admitted, there is a possibility that the signal line is almost unmeasurable, and that some people might possess a skill that I do not.

That is why I invite experienced "successful" users to show me their results. Most refuse. Many don't even want to talk about it, insisting that any kind of test is faulty. Yet they are more than willing to discuss their techniques and beliefs and the fact that you need to "practice" to get good at it. OK, how do you practice? What do you do?

Mike is a manufacturer, but cannot answer even the most basic question about his device:

Mike, besides being smooth, can you tell me exactly what your Revelation Locator Rod can do? What did you design it to do, and what does it actually do?

If I created a "metal detector" which had a smoother audio sound than any other metal detector, but it didn't actually detect metal, how much would that feature be worth to you? Can your RLR actually do anything useful? Can that usefulness be demonstrated? How would the manufacturer of metal detectors respond? Or cars? Or pianos?

Mike, if you were trying to demonstrate your Revelation Locator Rod to a potential customer, how would you do it? I would assume that you would use a method that demonstrates some reasonable level of success, so can you describe a simple test scenario for your device that you feel you can succeed with, say, 70% of the time?

C'mon Mike, now you're a manufacturer, you no longer have the luxury of dismissing or ignoring these questions! Even if I cannot measure or "feel" these signal lines, can you? Can you show me? No one else can, including a manufacturer, and including the fellow last weekend; all have failed miserably. Not even one single success! Are you so certain of failure that you won't even try?

- Carl

I hardly consider myself an LRL manufacturer and I don't make any profit. I get a small hourly wage for the work I do and I don't expect to ever break even on the development time. I did build about a dozen rods a couple years ago, still have a few. I didn't build anything magical into the rod. It just does not hang up like most rods do. It has what I call a "low start-up torque threshold". I sweep the rod very slowly and that gives more time to catch the signal. So yes, it is very sensitive so much so that most beginners can not hold it still. I don't like to sell them to beginners because I know they will get frustrated. To be honest there are not very many people who have enough rod skills to use one. As I tell buyers, you have to work with it to get the benefits. It takes time to "grow' your right brain and to learn to meditate, to clear the mind.

I never said I am certain of failure. I have no idea what kind of impediments you will throw at me. I've said before I wouldn't blame you if you did. It's your money and why would you want to give it away? I never said you are crazy. Those tests of extreme odds for money are like sucker bait. You get desperate people who will try anything to get the money and they don't have a clue to the amount of difficulty. I'm sure many people on the forums think I have a big ego. That's because they don't have a clue. If you want to dowse or use a locator you have to lose the ego, the veil of awareness. It's a totally different world than what you know when you rely on reason, intellect, the five senses. It's beyond your comprehension.

[J_Player]

.... Those tests of extreme odds for money are like sucker bait. You get desperate people who will try anything to get the money and they don't have a clue to the amount of difficulty.

What?
What are you talking about?

What difficulty?
It is only difficult to find a hidden object from one of ten possible locations if you are trying to guess the location.
You have a ten percent chance of guessing the correct location.

But if dowsing and LRLs work as you say, then there is no problem to locate which of the ten possible locations.
Are you now telling us that dowsing and LRLs are not suitable to determine where the hidden object is located?
Are you now saying the dowsing and LRLs have the same difficulty as guessing to locate a hidden object?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

I hardly consider myself an LRL manufacturer and I don't make any profit. I get a small hourly wage for the work I do and I don't expect to ever break even on the development time. I did build about a dozen rods a couple years ago, still have a few. I didn't build anything magical into the rod. It just does not hang up like most rods do. It has what I call a "low start-up torque threshold". I sweep the rod very slowly and that gives more time to catch the signal. So yes, it is very sensitive so much so that most beginners can not hold it still. I don't like to sell them to beginners because I know they will get frustrated. To be honest there are not very many people who have enough rod skills to use one. As I tell buyers, you have to work with it to get the benefits. It takes time to "grow' your right brain and to learn to meditate, to clear the mind.

I never said I am certain of failure. I have no idea what kind of impediments you will throw at me. I've said before I wouldn't blame you if you did. It's your money and why would you want to give it away? I never said you are crazy. Those tests of extreme odds for money are like sucker bait. You get desperate people who will try anything to get the money and they don't have a clue to the amount of difficulty. I'm sure many people on the forums think I have a big ego. That's because they don't have a clue. If you want to dowse or use a locator you have to lose the ego, the veil of awareness. It's a totally different world than what you know when you rely on reason, intellect, the five senses. It's beyond your comprehension.

Mike, I read and re-read your response, and I can see absolutely no attempt to answer the questions I asked. So I'll try again.

Can you tell me exactly what your Revelation Locator Rod can do? What did you design it to do, and what does it actually do?

Can your RLR actually do anything useful? Can that usefulness be demonstrated? If you were trying to demonstrate your Revelation Locator Rod to a potential customer, how would you do it?

You've stated many times the need to "practice" to get good at it. OK, how do you practice? What do you do?

These are not scandalous questions. I could easily apply all of them to metal detectors, and then answer them in detail.

[ivconic]

Yes - the signal type is a longitudinal wave. You either missed this or ignored this answer to your question for some reason.

Figure out longitudinal wave generation and detection and you will have your perfect detector.

Goldfinder

Are you sure?
Are you really really sure?!
If you are than please reconsider what have you just answered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave

Please read this and reconsider.
Try to understand the definition of longitudinal waves.
In addition see this link:

http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/transverse_longitudinal_waves.htm

[ivconic]

I just wanted to point on this:

http://www.crystalinks.com/grids.html

But than i saw this:
"...Planetary Energetic Grid Theory falls under the heading of pseudoscience..."

Aren't those all?

[Max]

Happened about two months ago.

Sitting by the beach I spotted a dowser at distance. When he suddenly marked a spot I aproached. He tried the regular bishop's method to check the depth and the target apperared relatively shallow.

Some guy with a MD also aproached. I saw 'whites' written. He passed the thing over the spot and nodded his head to the dowser. The dowser insisted that was the spot. The MD guy again recalibrated the device, swept the space around much like a floor polisher and nothing.
Then another detectorist aproached with a minelab. I think an explorer or something like that. He swept the same spot but not getting also a response, he started to move the coil quikly and he got a faint signal, real weak. He started to dig, signal slowly getting stronger. Then a coin popped up.

Humm... Did this prove that the whites MD is a piece of crap? Yes? No? Could it be that the whites operator was not competent enough to succeed? Yes? No?

Interesting... really interesting...

By the way, does somebody know how the minelab lawsuit against whites is going? Updates?

Carl?...

your story prove nothing apart that at the beach things can get covered by sand very easy and so can be found at depth and a conventional MD may miss them... and that some white's models have less sens at the beach than minelab ones... no big news I say

then... put another way: your story doesn't mean that the guy with LRL detected something apart noise or his self-deception, but just that if you go in any visited beaches in the world and start sweeping an MD in some few square meters you'll get some signal , sooner or later, if the MD has enough detection range to detect something buried deep

obviously if both MDs found nothing in that case the LRL guy could always say that the target is 10 meters deep and their MDs sucks...



this last remember me the other story you told of a sunk boat in the sea or something with tons of gold you detected from the beach at several Kms distance...



regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

Mike, I read and re-read your response, and I can see absolutely no attempt to answer the questions I asked. So I'll try again.

Can you tell me exactly what your Revelation Locator Rod can do? What did you design it to do, and what does it actually do?

Can your RLR actually do anything useful? Can that usefulness be demonstrated? If you were trying to demonstrate your Revelation Locator Rod to a potential customer, how would you do it?

You've stated many times the need to "practice" to get good at it. OK, how do you practice? What do you do?

These are not scandalous questions. I could easily apply all of them to metal detectors, and then answer them in detail.

I don't make any claims and I'm not really interested in telling you what I think. Besides, everyone uses it as they see fit. I use it to detect the signal line from an MFD. I don't try to sell them. If you want to do a test it will cost you the $2500 and I will throw in some lessons and a rod. If I win I will wave the fee. I will have a few requirements like you will not be allowed within fifty yards of the test area in case you decide to "throw a wrench into the gears" (sprinkle some powder over the area to contaminate things). Also I will require the gold to be washed so there is no sealant on it. I don't recall reading your conditions, but I assume they are like randi's and you will only pay if you feel like it. As you can see I don't even care if I win.

[Qiaozhi]

What do you mean by this? ->

I don't make any claims and I'm not really interested in telling you what I think.

Previously you said, "It just does not hang up like most rods do." ... that sounds like a claim to me.
And, "It has what I call a "low start-up torque threshold"." ... another claim.
And, "So yes, it is very sensitive so much so that most beginners can not hold it still." ... yet another claim
And the final [big] claim. "But I have never found anything better for the money than a good frequency generator (Ramsey digital w/12v battery) and my Revelation Locator Rod (RLR)."

Personally, I think you're very very interested in telling us what you think. But not so interested in giving a direct answer to Carl's questions. Why is that?

[Carl-NC]

Are you sure?
Are you really really sure?!
If you are than please reconsider what have you just answered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave

One of the problems with asking "What is an LRL signal?" is that the answer can be (and usually is) based entirely within pseudoscience. There is literally no limit to the amount of junk science LRL proponents can toss into the discussions. And how can you possibly discuss the issue when they're so far out of touch with reality?

That's why I prefer a simple "Show Me." That gets 'em every time. All those theories are worth exactly squat when they fail to make the durn thing work, every single time.