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[J_Player]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

This seems an interesting idea.
You can record all the treasure frequencies as mp3 songs.
Then name each song to the name of the treasure, like Gold.mp3, Silver.mp3, Platinum.mp3, etc.
Then you will never need to worry about the frequency drift because it is digital encoded and cannot change frequency.
But best thing is your secret frequency is safe, because most people will not know you hid it on an mp3.
If people hear your mp3 songs they will think it they are very boring songs, and they will not try to steal them.
The treasure hunter can also take the 12 v audio signal and put it to headphones to help with the treasure hunting while the high voltage is in the ground.

I wonder if 1000 volt signal is better for getting longer range detection?
Maybe we must study the earth impedance at different frequencies for good impedance matching of the 1000v signal.


Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

I will try to place mp3s on ebay. What a grate idea, no need to go to post office to make delivery.
Regards,

[Geo]

Excellent!
This solves the problem of putting a frequency through a transformer... it will come out as sine to make a perfect waveform.
But when we have over 70 volts and many milliamps, we are using some power.
And we also lose about 20% power through the transformer.
So maybe better to use a bigger battery than a single 9V.
Maybe better to use a 12 or 18 volt Lithium ion battery with 2 amp-hr capacity taken from a portable drill so battery will not run dry too soon.

Also, what should we do with the small plastic box that has 555 oscillator connected to the dowsing rod handles?

Best wishes,
J_P

I use the 14.4V lithium battery from TDI.
(Thanks to Carl)
2Ah or biger is OK.
I don't use the small box that connected to Lrods....

But what happening with you????
The time to California is about 04:00 and you don't sleep. I saw this many times with you

Regards

[Geo]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

MP3 player has not power so it is better to make something from the beggining

Regards

[J_Player]

I use the 14.4V lithium battery from TDI.
(Thanks to Carl)
2Ah or biger is OK.
I don't use the small box that connected to Lrods....

But what happening with you????
The time to California is about 04:00 and you don't sleep. I saw this many times with you


......MP3 player has not power so it is better to make something from the beggining

Regards

Time is not 4:00, but is very late.
The reason is because much of my work is on the computer that must be completed on a schedule.
I like to work late hours because this is the time when there is there is no interruptions to stop me like I find during business hours and early evening hours.
I can do 3-4 hours and finish my scheduled work, then in the day I can work slow and stop for a break when I want without hurting the schedule.

But this does not explain how the VR-800 finds treasure.
mp3 player is only the signal... the power comes from 12v car battery and transformer...
You can add extra transistor stages to send large current to transformer.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell

Regards

[J_Player]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell

Regards

Dell?

He said operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for his use in 1988.
He did not use it, he only sold it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

No big difference. Very simple with air emition only (with a 555) the detected field is small.
Sorry but i don't understand what you mean "natural earth gradient "

Regards

Well, 9v "whatever signal" in the air between two rods is not going to do anything, you know that Geo.
About natural earth gradient: above the surface of the earth there is a voltage that develop, i you could measure it you would see many hundreds of volts between you feets and your head (when you stand up ) This is what makes thunderstorms under special conditions, judging by the size of the "spark" you can imagine how high is the voltage.
I suppose this voltage gradient could influence a lot the effects you are talking about, if you compare it to a 9v battery...

[Fred]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell

Regards

Very well for him i am sure. A 555 and e few VR´s, not even a real pcb and a screw to hold it properlyfor... $ 1995 + the "plug-ins", i am sure it works pretty well for him indeed.

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi dear friends...

did you think if we produce a sine signal with special frequency [for example 5khz for gold]
and with a signal generator or a sound player and amplify it by one audio amplifier and send this signal to Lrod's handle, this is work for finding gold ?

[J_Player]

Hi dear friends...

did you think if we produce a sine signal with special frequency [for example 5khz for gold]
and with a signal generator or a sound player and amplify it by one audio amplifier and send this signal to Lrod's handle, this is work for finding gold ?

I think no.
Some people think yes.


Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Well, 9v "whatever signal" in the air between two rods is not going to do anything, you know that Geo.
About natural earth gradient: above the surface of the earth there is a voltage that develop, i you could measure it you would see many hundreds of volts between you feets and your head (when you stand up ) This is what makes thunderstorms under special conditions, judging by the size of the "spark" you can imagine how high is the voltage.
I suppose this voltage gradient could influence a lot the effects you are talking about, if you compare it to a 9v battery...

Hi Fred,
This atmospheric voltage can be very useful when trying to locate some anomaly in the ground that is hard to find by measuring it directly.

People who work with high voltage know it is hard to take measurements of current flow by sampling in the air for electric currents that can leak through the air between high voltage conductors. But it is much easier to use an instrument that will probe for anomalies in the voltage gradient between these conductors. We see that it is easier to map the voltage anomalies, but nearly impossible to map the current flow anomalies. I know this because I worked with high voltage conductors for a number of years.

There is one problem about the dowser feeling the atmospheric voltage, or using simple meters to measure this voltage for the purpose of surveying for where the anomalies are to be found in the voltage gradient. He will distort the atmospheric voltage by standing on the ground. A treasure hunter will have 0 volts at his head, not 200 volts, because he pushes the ground potential up to the location where his body and dowsing rod are located. See here: http://student.fizika.org/~jsisko/Knjige/Opca%20Fizika/Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics/Vol%202%20Ch%2009%20-%20Electricity%20in%20the%20Atmosphere.pdf

Also see diagram below.
The treasure hunter is very lucky that physics says he will push the ground potential up to the surface of his body.
If this was not true, then he could feel some voltage from the air the same as when he puts his finger in the light socket.

So we know that he and his dowsing rod are not detecting the atmospheric voltage.
If they detect anything at all, it is not atmospheric voltage.
Maybe something different which is influenced by anomalies in the atmospheric voltage.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi Fred,
This atmospheric voltage can be very useful when trying to locate some anomaly in the ground that is hard to find by measuring it directly.

People who work with high voltage know it is hard to take measurements of current flow by sampling in the air for electric currents that can leak through the air between high voltage conductors. But it is much easier to use an instrument that will probe for anomalies in the voltage gradient between these conductors. We see that it is easier to map the voltage anomalies, but nearly impossible to map the current flow anomalies. I know this because I worked with high voltage conductors for a number of years.

There is one problem about the dowser feeling the atmospheric voltage, or using simple meters to measure this voltage for the purpose of surveying for where the anomalies are to be found in the voltage gradient. He will distort the atmospheric voltage by standing on the ground. A treasure hunter will have 0 volts at his head, not 200 volts, because he pushes the ground potential up to the location where his body and dowsing rod are located. See here: http://student.fizika.org/~jsisko/Knjige/Opca%20Fizika/Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics/Vol%202%20Ch%2009%20-%20Electricity%20in%20the%20Atmosphere.pdf

Also see diagram below.
The treasure hunter is very lucky that physics says he will push the ground potential up to the surface of his body.
If this was not true, then he could feel some voltage from the air the same as when he puts his finger in the light socket.

So we know that he and his dowsing rod are not detecting the atmospheric voltage.
If they detect anything at all, it is not atmospheric voltage.
Maybe something different which is influenced by anomalies in the atmospheric voltage.


Best wishes,
J_P

By COMPASS ???

[Morgan]

By COMPASS ???

[ATTACH]17501[/ATTACH]

I tougth COMPASS was the brand for metal detectors not dowsing rods...

[wam]

It is all OK, go for extremes, if you hold rods in hands and the voltage between feet will increase then it can be seen that rods will start moving. When the voltage decrease the movement will be smaller. It works every time with every person (voltages may vary for each person) but it works even if the person is dead for short time. It works for animals too. Some animals are more sensitive to current than humans. May be we should focus on some bionic detector with small animal in the cage to point the direction of electrical anomalies. Let take a mouse and electrocute it frequently so it will run from direction of higher potentials etc.