ionic metal detector

[Francisco Xavier]

A simple experimence (more simple than I expected)
I am not a electronic engeneer, but
Pardon Qiaozhi, the efect you refer about glowing incrase when you increase the antena lenght is induced by antena capacitance, once you feed the leds with ac current.
Once the antena capacitance increase, the antena will be more tunned and irradiate (dissipate) more common radio electromagnetic energy! until you reach some multiple of wave lenght. (if you decrease the ac frequence you will see less glowing on the led - higher the frequency higher capacitance you need to stay the antena tunned -> more lenght of wiring you need!) It is basic.
If you feed the led with DC or very low frequency you would not glow the led.

Greetings and wish success to you

Francisco Xavier

[Francisco Xavier]

Excuse me, at my post bellow:
higher the frequency higher capacitance you need to stay the antena tunned
must read:
lower the frequency higher capacitance you need to stay the antena tunned

Thank you,

Francisco Xavier

[Esteban]

Qiaozhi, is based on this Avramenko's implementation?

[Qiaozhi]

Avramenko's Fork

Hi Estaban,

I am aware of J.L. Naudin's work. This is a similar experiment, but uses a very high voltage to transmit power along a single wire. Obviously it is more complicated to construct. You will note that it also requires an antenna, supposedly to collect free electrons from space, otherwise the xenon tube does not light. Sound familiar?

As I asked in the PDF document, does this have something to do with ionic detection - you decide...

Naudin states the device must be battery driven and not grounded. For the simple experiment I have described, this is not true. I used a bench power supply and that was connected to earth, and running at 5V (not 30KV). Good detective work though.

I really must insist that you construct this simple experiment. To Francisco Xavier (what a excellent name :-) - please to not dismiss this with the theory that it is the tuning which is affected. My guess is that you have not constructed or tested this experiment. Sorry - but basic tuning is not the correct answer.

As soon as someone builds this and confirms the results, I will post the detailed LRL instructions.

To Strujas:
"With time and patience the mulberry leaf becomes a silk robe."
So be patient my friend.

[okantex]

Hi Qiaozhi
did you find anything with your instrument
does it detect all metals or selects some

[Qiaozhi]

Awaiting results from simple experiment

As soon as someone builds the circuit for this simple experiment and confirms the results, I will post the detailed LRL instructions.

And yes - the design I intend to post does have a means of target discrimination.

But - I will away on business for 2 weeks from this coming Saturday, so you must be patient. Also, I will need some time to make a decent job of the instructions, otherwise there will no doubt be a ton of problems.

Qiaozhi

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[mosha]

Hi Qiaozhi

where can I get information about "continually replenished alternating potential", or C.R.A.P.?

[shila]

after allllllllll...

After so many discussions about ionic metal detection, began by a simple question,now I say:this toy is only
a "lier detector" that exactly targets to Mr. mineoro and
some other stupids that forgotten honesty!
For your information ,there is some E_mail adds in mineoro website as a treasure hunters using these
silly tools! ALL E_MAIL ADDS ARE INVALID!!!
What u think?!
Special thanks for all open_mind people writing here.
I mean CARL......

Yours. Shila

[Qiaozhi]

Don't get upset - it was all a hoax

OK - I give up!

My apologies to anyone who believed the total drivel that I have posted over the last couple of weeks.

Let's get one thing straight - LRLs do not work, have never worked, and never will work in a month of Sundays. They are based on a set of completely ridiculous ideas involving either dowsing or some pseudoscience about ions and electrostatic electricity. There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that buried objects emit ions that can be detected hundreds of metres away. This is complete bollocks. Neither do they emit "continually replenished alternating potential" (or C.R.A.P. for short). The work "crap" has a number of meanings, but in this instance it means "bull****". In other words, nothing but a load of manufactured nonsense.

I'm actually quite dismayed it has taken so long for someone (thanks Shila) to come forward and call a halt to this thread. Not that I haven't made it blatantly obvious from the very start that this was a hoax. The whole idea of LRLs is too ridiculous for words.

I am aware that several contributors to this forum do not have English as their first language, and therefore certain subtle references may not have been obvious. (Actually they were more akin to a large brick.)

Carl (of course) spotted the hoax very early in the proceedings, when I wrote "The IEP Biotronic System (codenamed Garreutto) consists of the following building blocks: Target Height Identification System, Identification Stabilizer, Amplifier, and Sample Chamber Amplifier Module."

The highlighted letters spell out "THIS IS A SCAM".

I'm sure Carl was not the only eagle-eyed reader to spot that one.

Other clues were:

"Ionic-Electrostatic B.S.", where B.S. obviously refers to "bull****".

"Garreutto" - a reference to Garrett, since Mineoro (Minelabs) and Tesouros (Tesoro) had already been used.

LRLs are not for everyone, but they work best for people who fit this quote:
"Gaining an Understanding of Longrange Locator Instruments Breeds a Lifetime of Experience".

Come on guys...... this spells out "gullible" - meaning "naive and easily deceived or tricked".

I did guess that some of you were playing along with the hoax, but others..... well I'm not so sure.

Anyway, I had some fun concocting this ridiculous fantasy, and particularly enjoyed writing the description of the Ranger-Tell Examiner with its ability to couple the human operator to the Earth's Schumann resonances by using longitudinal coupling.

To be perfectly honest I had not expected to push this crazy charade as far as this, and the detailed step-by-step instructions do not exist. Although I do have an outline in my mind for a fairly convincing design, complete with SCAM chamber. However, I don't think it is really fair for any of you to waste money on something that has not the slightest chance of detecting anything useful. In other words, it would definitely have been crap.

The only truthful part of this fairy story is the Avramenko's Fork circuit. Trust me - it does work... and I really would like someone else to build it. Also, see if you can figure out how it actually works. It's a little strange when you see the LED illuminate with a single wire feeding the diodes. There is no return path, so why is it alight? It has nothing to do with tuning. Anyway, I'll leave you with that little puzzle, as I will be away for 2 weeks.

To end on a serious note - please, please, please do not spend your hard earned money on an LRL. Carl only purchases them in order to disassemble and expose these items as the worthless pieces of junk that they are. Please listen to him - he knows what he's talking about.

Lastly - I promise from now on to be a good citizen and only post good stuff.

Qiaozhi

[Largesarge]

Nicely done my friend, I was waiting to see how far this would go before someone finally caught on.


Take care and have a safe trip.

[LRL USER]

New Telepatic LRL detector .

This design is tested!
For better performance, all diode may be generally deleted.
But, supply must be increased from 5V over 220 V/ac, or dc line, as minimum.

[Qiaozhi]

Re: New Telepathetic LRL detector

Oh dear - I expect I'll be telepathic by the time this thread is finished.

Dear LRL User,

Firstly - thanks for building and testing the Avramenko's Fork circuit. Unfortunately I don't think you've quite grasped the point of this experiment. :confused: The diodes are a necessary part of the design and cannot be removed. I'm not sure what you mean to achieve by removing these components, or by increasing the voltage to 220V.

The whole idea behind this circuit is to demonstrate something that (on the face of it) should not work. How can the LED possibly be illuminated when there is no return path for the current? There is a single wire leaving the output of the oscillator, and the end of the wire is just hanging in free space with 2 diodes connected back-to-back across an LED load. The antenna also adds another element of mystery.

This really has nothing directly to do with LRL detectors, but I worked the idea into my B.S. description of these machines, if "machine" is the correct word to use. I can think of other less polite terms.

Can you confirm for everyone else's benefit that the LED was alight when connected in the configuration shown? There is no point removing the diodes and connecting the other terminal of the LED to ground. It is obvious that this will work as it simply follows Kirchoff's voltage (KVL) and current (KCL) laws.

You can also try running a SPICE simulation if you like, and (with the circuit exactly as shown in the diagram) you will discover that there is insufficient current flowing in the LED for it to illuminate. This is the mystery.

One last point - what is the significance of the strangely shaped brown object called RLOAD. Although I know what it looks like! Perhaps you're just playing along with the game.

Qiaozhi
"The more a man learns, the more he sees his ignorance"

[Qiaozhi]

SPICE Netlist

Here's the SPICE netlist:

Avramenko's Fork
D1 VIN A 1N914
D2 B VIN 1N914
* LED
D3 A 2 1N914
D4 2 3 1N914
D5 3 B 1N914
.MODEL 1N914 D RS=0.806986 EG=1.11 XTI=3 VJ=0.509542 M=0.0139603
+ FC=0.99 BV=100 CJO=8.43931E-013 IS=7.86336E-009 N=2 TT=2.594864E-008
VIN VIN 0 SIN ( 0 2.5 8E+006 0 0 )
R1 VIN 0 1E+012
.TRAN 1E-005 0.01 0 1E-008
.END

The LED has been simply modelled as three diodes in series. This is sufficient for the purposes of this exercise.
R1 is a 1 tera ohm resistor to satisfy the requirements of the simulator. i.e. that it needs 2 connections per node. In practice it's an open-circuit, but for the simulator it provides a DC path to ground as well.
Measure the voltage between nodes A and B. You will find that it's zero.
So - when you actually build the circuit, why the does the LED illuminate?
That's the riddle...

[hung]

Good Job PDC

Sorry if I hurt some feelings, but after all the non sense post here regarding the supposed non existence of ionic fields, I have some good news to the ones who have detectors based on this.

A friend of mine, serious treasure hunter in Brazil, with record of several valuable finds, while searching for a certain target on beach, detected a 7 gram gold ring with a PDC 210 (same model as I have) from 230 feet away which was 12 inches deep.
Of course this was not the target he was after. But this is important news since this is an impressive mark for the PDC. This mark is usually up to the new GDMs and GDPs.
The ionic fields right now in Brazil are excellent.
Regards to all.

[Qiaozhi]

Valuable Find

Sorry if I hurt some feelings, but after all the non sense post here regarding the supposed non existence of ionic fields, I have some good news to the ones who have detectors based on this.

A friend of mine, serious treasure hunter in Brazil, with record of several valuable finds, while searching for a certain target on beach, detected a 7 gram gold ring with a PDC 210 (same model as I have) from 230 feet away which was 12 inches deep.
Of course this was not the target he was after. But this is important news since this is an impressive mark for the PDC. This mark is usually up to the new GDMs and GDPs.
The ionic fields right now in Brazil are excellent.
Regards to all.

The problem with this anecdote is that it is subjective rather than objective.
It is impossible to ascertain whether the target (a gold ring in this case) was actually detected using the PDC 210, or was the result of a lucky find. Perhaps the "serious treasure hunter" in this quote should step forward and take Carl's LRL challenge. There's a guaranteed $25,000 reward for a successful result.

Zhu ni hao yunqi!