Ivconic's Negative Ion Detector circuit

[J_Player]

"As they did find gold as you can see/read, why would they be willing to talk about it in forums?"

Americans talk abouit the gold they find in forums more than any other people in the world. I can show you more than 5 major treasure forums with mostly Americans showing pictures of the gold they find. Here is one: http://www.thetreasuredepot.com/cgi-...nfig.pl?#69619
American is not afraid to show when they find gold. The time when Americans do not post picture of treasure is when they DON'T FIND treasure. This makes me think the Americans who pay money for Mineoro machine never find any treasure. This is the reason why they don't post picture of gold.

You continue to post talk about how good Mineoro can find treasure, but I see no picture of treasure you found reecently with Mineoro machine. You say it takes a person who knows the machine to find the treasure? There are people finding lost jewelry on American beaches worth many thousands of dollars. Some rings with diamonds as well as lost coins. Any weekend you will see many people on the East coast beaches bringing home hundreds of coins and jewelry, but NEVER do we see people with Mineoro machine. If Mineoro detector can find lost gold and silver, then why mobody using Mineoro to get gold and diamonds like other people at the beach? Why is NOBODDY in the entire world willing to show a live demonstration of Mineoro detector working at beach same as all other detectors? Why do we see only other detectors finding coins and jewelry, NEVER Mineoro?

Is it possible that Mineoro is a big hoax and fake machine only good for taking money away from people who buy Mineoro?

[Carl-NC]

When I said detectorists talking about the Mineoro detectors, I meant the ones WHO ARE LISTED IN MINEORO'S SITE WITH THEIR FINDINGS.

A couple of years ago, I tried emailing every person listed on the Mineoro "testimonials" web page, at least those who included an email address. Every single email bounced back because the addresses were dead. Didn't inspire much confidence. Anyone know how to contact Don Dereck or John Drebel?

- Carl

[michael]

Hi everybody and Carl.Those e-mails were valid before.
e.g. I had communication with 2 0f them; one the man claimed finding big golden statue in Israel with "yusif barak" name as I remember answered my
e-mail 3 months later from sent time with bad english penmanship. his answer was nearly this; "excuse me for delayed answer because I am a military officer and most of the times, out of house. Yes, I found the statue with mineoro and am satisfied of it. the mineoro people are nice..." and was afraid of replying other questions so that detecting is illegal there.

the other one was Hank Carey who answered my e-mail after 1 month.
(I have a paper printed of our communication.)
this is his answer;" Its' ok for you to write, but I don't use computer much. my children do. the maximum depth I found a box containing jewelry was at 12 meters deep and I picked it from 30 meters distance."

the other man was Donald Dreck. In a part of his answers;
"I have found some precious objects and plenty of trash and junk irons. it necessarily doesn't detect only gold."

these communications were in 2002.
now their e-mails are invalid like as my e-mail at that time (mic_milit@hotmail.com)
But still they are undersuspicious for me. I have to survey carefully.
I afraid of one thing; maybe mineoro devices really work and we deprive ourselves from it due to a causeless suspec.

[hung]

Hi everybody and Carl.Those e-mails were valid before.
e.g. I had communication with 2 0f them; one the man claimed finding big golden statue in Israel with "yusif barak" name as I remember answered my
e-mail 3 months later from sent time with bad english penmanship. his answer was nearly this; "excuse me for delayed answer because I am a military officer and most of the times, out of house. Yes, I found the statue with mineoro and am satisfied of it. the mineoro people are nice..." and was afraid of replying other questions so that detecting is illegal there.

the other one was Hank Carey who answered my e-mail after 1 month.
(I have a paper printed of our communication.)
this is his answer;" Its' ok for you to write, but I don't use computer much. my children do. the maximum depth I found a box containing jewelry was at 12 meters deep and I picked it from 30 meters distance."

the other man was Donald Dreck. In a part of his answers;
"I have found some precious objects and plenty of trash and junk irons. it necessarily doesn't detect only gold."

these communications were in 2002.
now their e-mails are invalid like as my e-mail at that time (mic_milit@hotmail.com)
But still they are undersuspicious for me. I have to survey carefully.
I afraid of one thing; maybe mineoro devices really work and we deprive ourselves from it due to a causeless suspec.

Alright. Michael answered it for me. He did exactly what I did at the time I was going to buy the PDC 210. Everybody satisfied now?

It's not Mineoro's fault if the detectorists change their emails without notice. In fact there are several of them who don't give permission to public release theirs.

But no drama forum members. You have me to trust upon the impressions of the newcoming FG78. You may turn your enquiries to me as I promise to be around and helpful and also to not change my email without notice...

Just to make it clear. Every Mineoro detector finds gold. The only thing makes the FG different from models prior to 2006 is that not only it will find long time buried gold as the others but its power of detection is more advanced and now it finds fresh gold. eg. the gold ring you are using right now. Provided the weather conditions permit it. The DC2006 is also an excelent machine as I was told. And now both detectors allow night search and reducing huge fields to pinpoint big objects.
Cheers.

[J_Player]

Hi hung,
It is hard for me to believe the old emails from people who do not answer for more than a month, especially when the people long ago are no longer here to ask questions. But it is easy to believe you, because you are here right now. We don't even need your email because you can answer in the forum.

I am anxious to believe that the Mineoro works like you say. Please post some photos of treasure you have found since January 1, 2006 with your PDC 210. I will also wait to see the treasures you find with the FG78. Because the FG78 will find new buried gold, you can use it at the beach like other detectorists who find thousands of dollars worth of lost jewelry. But for now, could you please post some photos of the treasure you found in 2006 with your PDC 210?

Regards

[Esteban]

Hung, Carl, JPlayer and others

I'll talk with Alonso and Damásio for to create a Mineoro forum, a place where the people leave his impressions. Maybe this is the only way for to solve this pile of discussions: create a place of discussions between owners and others.
Hung, also you are in position for to talk about it with Alonso and Damásio.

[Carl-NC]

Just to make it clear. Every Mineoro detector finds gold.

Well, let me go back to a question I had asked previously, but went unanswered.

The PDC205 I had tested would not detect gold. I was told that it was a 1-knob model, and not a 2-knob model. Apparently the 2-knob model would really really detect gold, but the 1-knob model maybe would not. :confused:

I now have an opportunity to buy a PDC210. Are all the PDC210's equally capable, or are there certain versions of the PDC210 I should avoid?

- Carl

[hung]

I think the time has come to start another thread, since this has nothing to do with the original thread. So I decided to post the replies in this new thread. Please check ‘Mineoro Detector Explanations’

[goldfinder]

Recommended Antenna Polarity of ION detector

To Esteban or Hung,
Youall seem to be the experts on this use of the Mineoro and ION detectors in general. Esteban recommended having both plus and minus capability on the ion detector antenna so the operator could switch to one or other. So - I have a question for you.

What is the antenna polarity (i.e. plus Volts or Minus Volts) with respect to the detection circuitry that you recommended for detection of buried gold???

Thanks in advance for a reply,
Goldfinder

[hung]

I can't speak for Esteban's detectors but in the case of Mineoro, the ionic chamber is positive in relation to the incoming negative ions.

[J_Player]

Gold ions have a charge of +1 and +3 in common conditions found at or near the surface of the earth at standard atmospheric conditions. It would seem that gold ions are repelled by a positive ion chamber. In the case of Ivconic's detector, any gold ions would be attracted to the dish and repelled by the antenna. Because gold ions are positive, they would not be detected by a negative ion detector. This is perhaps the reason that some ion detectors have a provisioin to reverse the polarity.

I still do not believe gold ions exist in the air or the soil in any measurable amount where a detector can sense them. Ivconic stated that he found no evidence of any ions of any kind in the air near long-time buried targets. But if we are wrong, then maybe Esteban or hung can show us where to find these ions.

[hung]

Gold ions have a charge of +1 and +3 in common conditions found at or near the surface of the earth at standard atmospheric conditions. It would seem that gold ions are repelled by a positive ion chamber. In the case of Ivconic's detector, any gold ions would be attracted to the dish and repelled by the antenna. Because gold ions are positive, they would not be detected by a negative ion detector. This is perhaps the reason that some ion detectors have a provisioin to reverse the polarity.

I still do not believe gold ions exist in the air or the soil in any measurable amount where a detector can sense them. Ivconic stated that he found no evidence of any ions of any kind in the air near long-time buried targets. But if we are wrong, then maybe Esteban or hung can show us where to find these ions.

The mineoro's ionic chamber do emit positive ions which crash the negative ones dispersed by earth. Remember earth is negative. That's why detection power raises prior to rain as atmosphere is fully positive charged. Also don't foget the electrostatic field plays a role here...

At this point I admit I finally start to understand how the Mineoro detectors work and how they could possibly detect, but I won't coment on that since I respect their discovery.
Regards.

[goldfinder]

ION + and -

Yes, anyone with a little atomic phisics or chemistry knows gold ions are positive, they have lost electrons to make them a postivly charged ion. There are no ions until the atom either gains or loses charge. That is why I made my last post regarding the insistance of Esteban to be able to change the polarity of the antenna.

IF the Minero "ion" chamber is positive as Hung says, then the detector is detecting negative "ions" or electrons emited by the gold. If Hung is right about the detection going up before a thunder and lightening storm then just may be - the Mineoror detector is detecting the "crashes", i.e., the electrons being attracted to the walls of the ion chamber to create a little spark or neutralization of the chamber and the electronics detects the change in the chamber voltage. So these "crashes" that Hung and Esteban have mentioned is the Mineoro electronics amplifying this effect and there is a pulse that goes to the headphones to create the "crash".

So if we follow this reasoning a little further then all we need is an amplifier that detects voltage change on the ion "chamber" or "antenna" that is charged with a well controled voltage level. The center antenna pole is superfluous.

Goldfinder

[J_Player]

Interesting theory, but here are a few questions:

1. Buried gold dies not ionize much compared to other metals alloyed in the gold and other minerals in the ground. For every single gold ion, there are millions of other ions such as copper tin, lead, etc. in the same vicinity. When a buried peice of metallic gold atom loses 1 or 3 electrons to become a gold ion, It will go into solution with the moisture in the ground that it is in contact with. As soon as a copper or other metal ion is in the same vicinity, the gold ion will immediately revert back to matallic gold, re-attaching to the gold metal, or remaining as a metalic gold particle in the ground. The small traces of gold ions are negligible, and cannot be measured, and "crashes" of gold electrons happen within a small fraction of a millimeter to the buried metallic gold object. The question is how can the LRL detector hear the "crashes" from gold ion electrons in the midst of millions more "crashes" from other ions? Wouldn't any disturbance caused by the minute trace of gold ions be damped millions of copper, lead, sodium, tin, and other metal ions?

2. Any common metal target buried in the ground is not likely to send electrons to the surface where they can be collected or detected. The electrons "crash" within a microscopic area around the ion in solution. this microscopic area may be buried several feet under the ground, and has no way to transport these "crashing" electrons to the surface of the ground. Question is how do free electrons that left a gold atom travel through several feet of earth and through the air in all directions, and arrive wherever a LRL user might be holding his detector in some nearby vicinity?

Not to say there can't be any pricniple how a mineoro LRL works, but perhaps the travelling ionic signal theory is a red herring.

[FrancoItaly]

Hi all
Here a good theory on ground battery and ULF:
http://www.spie.org/web/oer/august/a...rthquakes.html