Zahori

[Dell Winders]

Ground penetrating Radar can be beneficial in some soil conditions. Whenit is feasible, I use GPR to confirm my MapDowsing & MFD/LRL locations. Dell

[michael]

Yes Dell, that's it and many more than this. the simplest problem is the size and volume of equipments & implements. and that in which even MD using is illegal and have no right to own MDs or anything like these it's a double problem.

Ivconic, no one here (as me & you)search for buried constructions; walls, monuments, city, murals,...
we just search for precious metals, anywhere it can be. these are good for archeological surveys and researches, not us. I know by a kind of magnetometer/Gradiometer (probably GSMP-30) around the Perspolis in Iran found a buried city, but no report of noble metals.
or I watched an amazing genuine movie of one excavation project from( I think was about Mayas era in Mexico) that they found many buried rooms and murals by means of one type of GSMP mag/grad (of course with help of a professional archeologist helps & leadings) it was overwhelming, but no precious metal. what's the advantage?!!
as we by an cheap E/M finder (Rover C) could frequently find some structures; Graves, tunnel, well,....., but these are not resolver our difficulties.
Except to pyramids cultures, most treasures or hidden hoards are being found far from ancient cities. as they mostly didn't hide their saves in homes. it's risk to invest for finding a city that may has a treasure or not, whereas these kind of activities (if were efficient) can be done only by governments
not in illegal forms.

[ivconic]

Some blah,blah more...


"Ivconic, no one here (as me & you)search for buried constructions; walls, monuments,
city, murals,...we just search for precious metals, anywhere it can be. these are good
for archeological surveys and researches, not us. I know by a kind of magnetometer/Gradiometer
(probably GSMP-30) around the Perspolis in Iran found a buried city, but no report of noble
metals..."

Well....i am not part of that story....I am electronic enthusiast...Started to get interested
in metal detectors,started to handmade those,slowly step by step i just enetered in metal
detecting world.....And now it is to late to stop. Kind of "infected" with those for lifetime.
I am not deeply interested in finding any special treasure....although i wouldnt mind if found
some,somewhen....But my primary interest is MD electronics. Later i started to go on the field
to see MD's in real life....Also started to collect some coins,relics and got "infected" with
those too.....numismatics...
But my primary "love"&interest are conventional metal detectors; IB's and PI's....
I am not some prospector, no not at all...
Also interested in remote sensing principles....
So far i have been seen and tested so many devices.....
My experience gives me right to dare to say here that it is not possible to detect one single
coin on greather depth than 50-60cm's with known methods and devices today...
So when somebody claim, that coin could be detectable on few meters and even more depth, than
i do not know what to think; either it is lie, either i havent seen everything yet!
Conventional, "mainstream" science(electronic&physics part), did not claimed and proved
popular "remote sensing" at all. There is no such device yet,with which you can detect single
coin deeper than stated before...
Take any model,type,any manufacturer.....check,test...and you'll see that i am right.
Somebody (i think KT315) claimed that some Anker md can detect coin on 60 cm depth. TO tell
you the truth i doubt that. I am ready to beleive that Anker can detect coin on 60cm "depth"
only by specially prepared conditions, in the air, with sensibillity "busted" to maximum,with
large diammeter coil, far from the ground conditions,hum and any interferences...
But when the very same device you adjust to be stabile for useable working on the real field
than you gonna realize that it can not detect same coin under 40-45cm in the air and some
20-30 cm burried in the ground....
Problem is not in that Anker model,no, not at all. The very simillar results you will gain
with almost every known model on market today. O.K. it can be some minor differences,let's
say some 5-6cm up or down in favour on some better models....but that it is.No any
"revolutionar" differences at all. They (devices) are all very simillar.
Preblem is concept - electromagnetic field, its drawbacks and merits....
But i never wanted deeper detector than some which can find coin on 40-45 cm....
Real differences are in abillity to discriminate with higher rate of accuraacy...That's what
really interesting me....that's what i want to establish. When prospecting on the real field
to know exactly what item i founded without/before digging....

So far it showed that Minelab detectors are most accurate among others....Newer White's models
also....Fisher,Troy.....They all are very close...
But let's back to subject here!

I also had chance to meet some of remote sensing principles so far. But when learning something
new, i always rely on exact science,mostly physics and later electronics. Already established,
tested and many times proven methods and priciples. That's how i approached to remote sensing
subject.

First i visited almost all available internet sites with simillar subject.Also founded some
books. Later i saw what other people are thinking about that.
So, by now i do know a lot of about remote sensing,although i can not say that am expert, but
still i do feel conversant to claim some claims here.
So, there is no way to detect small metalic item (size of a coin, more or less) deeper than
few tenths of centimeteres IN THE GROUND....NO WAY !
No such device yet!
You are free to beleive what ever you want, but sooner or later you gonna realize that my words
are true!
If some people made oposite claims here (like Hung and Esteban)...than i do not know what to say!
I would like to keep an open mind and continue to beleive that i have much more to see and learn
in my life....I do not want to beleive that those claims are false,faked,fabricated and bogus.
Also i noticed phenomena that so many people arround the world (also here arround me) maybe,
and i repaeat "MAYBE" do really have some "unantural" or "extrasence" abilities to sence some
things very remote, using some L-rod, or Odd or some other kind of apparatus.
Those people are not fully awared of those "skills", so always (by the rule) they interpreting
those erroneously.
So i am more ready to beleive that Hung and Esteban do have "skills" and that's how i can
explain their claims that mineoro really works in their hands ( so far no one else made simillar
claims here...)...I am more ready to beleive that, than to think and beleive that Hung and Esteban
are posting lies here and fabricated claims.
Why i do not beleive in mineoro? Very simple! It is not working....period. It is bogus device.
Same as Zahori.....same as ivconic negative ion detector....(although i never claimed that my
device can detect anything else but ions)...
So mineoro,zahori and my experimental ion detector are fakes and bogus for metal detecting.True.
But same as my ion detector can detect ions, also mineoro and zahori are detecting something?
What? Zahori is very sensitive and good to detect ac e.field and therefore very useable in
industry for checking eventual ac leakage....What about mineoro? Yes, it is detecting something,
I am very sure! It is detecting some kind of hum or radio waves or some interferences....
But for sure not what claimed to be!
What mineoro supposed to be, by its manufacturers claims, it is not possible! That kind of
device is not existing yet! And probably never will!
Hung made so many claims about his finds with mineoro...I am ready to beleive that Hung is very
experienced and skilled dowser in whose hands any tool can do the job, even mineoro...
Esteban also...
Next time, Hung, please take with you some rowlock (wooden) on the field and try do dowse with
it...I am sure that you gonna find items same as with mineoro....

Me,myself...i do not have simillar skills....even more...mineoro is not working in my hands at
all. I tried so many times....It is just "beeping" randomly...also odds,rawlocks,L-rods....
So i am stucked to conventional md's for lifetime.... I do not complain so far, trust me!
But i am still standing here with very open mind...only need proofs and personal experiences.
regards

[Qiaozhi]

Hi my friend ivconic,

I wholeheartedly agree.
Except on one small (maybe big??) point - I don't believe in dowsing either. As I've said before, it's all a trick of the mind.

There is no place in physics for either LRLs or dowsing. Both are bogus.
That's why no-one can pass the various challenges (all with large sums of money at stake) using these techniques. The same goes for other so-called psychic phenomemon. They can be a good basis for fictional stories, but that's all they are - complete fiction.

[Carl-NC]

My experience has been that people who claim they can dowse, or claim to have an LRL that Really Works, completely and utterly fail when I am watching.

But I disagree that there is no room in physics (or, more appropriately, psychological science) for dowsing. With all the numerous scams out there, I think it is imperative for RealScience to aggressively investigate questionable claims, and provide solid evidence to refute those claims. It's the only way to counter the woo-woos and frauds, and give the public up-to-date information.

Unfortunately, there are no incentives for doing research on dowsing today, in part because science has already investigated it from the mid-1700's, and explained it since the mid-1800's. The USGS put out an excellent booklet on dowsing in 1917, and I have it right here on Geotech. But research on dowsing needs to be refreshed every so often, or dowsers will start to claim that science ignores their abilities.

- Carl

[ivconic]

Waste of time...


"..I don't believe in dowsing either. As I've said before, it's all a trick of the mind.."
I do not beleive in dowsing either! I tried so many times to play with "it" and no results!
Many people do beleive....wasting time dowsing arround...dont know what to think?!?
"..The same goes for other so-called psychic phenomemon...."
Those "phenomnoms" are not properly investigated by science yet, that's why they exist and
are present still....
But it is very "tricky" area.....Sooner or later someone will face much bigger question:
"Does God exist?"
I do not want to start anything here....But as a sceptic i can only say:
I never saw any evidence of His existence yet,also...
I was born as ortodox, i am still ortodox and i'll die as ortodox. I do respect my and
other religions....but! I am respecting those as part of folklore,custom....It is nice
when go to church,meet other people,talk about good things in life, remind yourself on
universal merits of this life.......Help and been helped by other people arround....
That is my only religion....
Otherwise i do not beleive in God outside of us....
I think that is the main reason why official science does not want to go deeper in some
serious investigations of some "tricky" things....cose there is a risk to be acused
by "beleivers" one day as a infidel or something even worse..
We all do not live under same conditions. Those who are living in modern society,they
can "play" with this subject easy, oposite to those who are living in some illiberal,
underdeveloped,provincial society....
Besides there are a lot of more things to be investigated and discovered by science,so
no one does not really need to "push" some plight,unsuited things in front....
Does dowsing and lrl can "touch" this area...i am not sure! But some people such easy
connect those,find some "analogy" and "connections"....

"..My experience has been that people who claim they can dowse, or claim to have an LRL
that Really Works, completely and utterly fail when I am watching...."
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!! This is so true! The same as my experience! I've been asking many dowsers
so far, to show me exact their abilities on the field.....AND ALWAYS FAILS WHEN I AM
WATCHING TOO!?! Why?
Maybe i am unfortunate for them? Maybe my presence handicaps their work?

"..I think it is imperative for RealScience to aggressively investigate questionable claims,
and provide solid evidence to refute those claims..."
You do not have idea Carl, how much i do agree with this! That is my only reason to be here
on Remote sensing, to read all posts and to post something from time to time....
It is time to clear up those things for good! I am not scientist but as enthusiast i am very
interested to learn and know real truth.
"..Unfortunately, there are no incentives for doing research on dowsing today..."
I think this is because science already gave up of those.It showed as a waste of time.

"...But research on dowsing needs to be refreshed every so often, or dowsers will start
to claim that science ignores their abilities..."
Yes,it will do some good, to remind people not to waste time and energy on bogus,pseudo science...
Money also....!

[michael]

Ivconic I understand what you say and your purposes, but do you accept in this world are so many things that there is no description or standpoint about them? e.g. jinn or UFO. (if don't say again some things like as blah blah blah,...) of course here is not place of these subjects, but I have a purpose.
please don't laugh at me. yes or no?

[ivconic]

...

Of course. I do have splited feelings about many things i can not explain...
But this Remote sensing subject must be tied to science and electronic if need to be accepted as reallity...
Like i said i havent seen everything in my life yet...

[michael]

Although I had no decision to continue for Zahori 3 antenna(Esteban first plan) and as I had before prepared all of the ingredients ( from box to PCB and electrical components) for both plans (Esteban and Ivconic) and gave all to my EE friend, he called me and said" don't you want the 2nd device? I have fulfilled 3 antenna come and take it" and despite of my reluctance, I got it.
I thought it may be useful for you know this information;
3 antenna is about 10 times less sensitive than 1 antenna for E fields.
and can say Ivconic plan is another thing (at least for E fields).
my friend send to Ivconic his greetings for his good alterations.
I don't know what can tell about treasure finding, maybe in this affair they act reversely.
anyway after receiving FG80 we will take all of them to our remote fields
and give a comparison, especially for the huge stone that had a suspicious signal with 1 antenna.

[kafamiyi]

zahori to regülate how know to say

[miqui]

pcb

Although I had no decision to continue for Zahori 3 antenna(Esteban first plan) and as I had before prepared all of the ingredients ( from box to PCB and electrical components) for both plans (Esteban and Ivconic) and gave all to my EE friend, he called me and said" don't you want the 2nd device? I have fulfilled 3 antenna come and take it" and despite of my reluctance, I got it.
I thought it may be useful for you know this information;
3 antenna is about 10 times less sensitive than 1 antenna for E fields.
and can say Ivconic plan is another thing (at least for E fields).
my friend send to Ivconic his greetings for his good alterations.
I don't know what can tell about treasure finding, maybe in this affair they act reversely.
anyway after receiving FG80 we will take all of them to our remote fields
and give a comparison, especially for the huge stone that had a suspicious signal with 1 antenna.

Hi michael,
please may you send me the *pcb file to my e-mail miquijacobo@hotmail.com, please!!
it will be helpfull.
thankyou very much for your help,

miqui

[mrezaee31]

Hi michael
you can help by experiments to me for made ZAHORI 3 antenna ,please.
mrezaee31@yahoo.com
thanks.
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[Morgan]

Simple Zahory circuit

Hi michael,
please may you send me the *pcb file to my e-mail miquijacobo@hotmail.com, please!!
it will be helpfull.
thankyou very much for your help,

miqui

Energy field detector circuit
And if someone interested in ionic Chamber(with gold sample) to adapt to Mini Zahory or the Zahoryic,just ask me

[Morgan]

Zahory´s

Energy field detector circuit
And if someone interested in ionic Chamber(with gold sample) to adapt to Mini Zahory or the Zahoryic,just ask me
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Hope this schematics not TOP SECRET ...

[Esteban]

Morgan... Morgan... be a good boy!!!