Testing

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi

Today i made the film,as i promise.
First i get one buried target with PD,max. distance 3m,and its possible to confirm when PD more near the ground,there is one short STOP in beep buzzer,this happens very often. then i check the target with Tesoro Eldorado MD,it detects the target only near the surface...
As you will see in films,the signals are very good,maybe its one coin.I put one stone near the object ,for orientation.I detect Nort to South direction,no doubts,it irradiate more to Nort.

I will send LRL films to Esteban and he put in UTUBE for everybody analize PHENOMENON.

Regards

Thanks. I look forward to seeing that.

[Morgan]

TESTING

Hi Morgan,
I do not understand... you used your nexus MD to pinpoint then reused the LRL from far and get detection...

OK , but: NEXUS has one of most powerful TX we know... resonant tx tank... that will not match with Esteban's esplaination of PD.

He wrote you DON'T have to scan the area with a conventional MD cause the oscillator of MD will destroy (maybe he wrote "consumes" ?) the target's signal picked up by the LRL device... and took much time to regenerate, maybe YEARS!

That's what I remember from Esteban's posts...

Now you tell us you used one of the most powerful tx oscillators out there... and then you STILL detected target by the PD LRL ???

I think you and Esteban must find some kind of agreement on that... I think one of you is wrong about or you're both wrong!

Kind regards,
Max

Hello MASTER p00p

you understand me wrongly. I dont say that...

I agree with Esteban,but phenomenon regenerate in the next minutes or hours.
As you can read in my other thread,first i use PD to locate the target,and then scan&check the place with NEXUS,NO SIGNALS,then i take out 20cm of ground(in the place PD give the continuous beeps),et voilá,my NEXUS detect old silver coin at 30cm. It was at 50 cm before,and PD detect from 3m away.

Kind regards

[Max]

Hello MASTER p00p

you understand me wrongly. I dont say that...

I agree with Esteban,but phenomenon regenerate in the next minutes or hours.
As you can read in my other thread,first i use PD to locate the target,and then scan&check the place with NEXUS,NO SIGNALS,then i take out 20cm of ground(in the place PD give the continuous beeps),et voilá,my NEXUS detect old silver coin at 30cm. It was at 50 cm before,and PD detect from 3m away.

Kind regards

Bonsoir mon pOupe

All the times that I spot a serious difference you say that I understud it wrong... ok, ok...

So that's same for others not only me... or maybe it's you... maybe your grasp on the poupe is not so strong... ops... I meant on english!

Little lapsus... you know... the poupe is much...

Hope you're ready to detect coins in the old time buried pile...

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

The machine absorpts the "emission".

Originally posted by J_Player
Hi Esteban,
You describe the machine of 3 antennas designed to enlarge a short signal a million times, so it is capable of capturing emissions. What kind of short signal is this machine designed to capture?
A charge in the air?
A radio signal?
A magnetic fluctuation signal?
Current leaking through an insulator?
HF noise like from sparks?
Ground current anomalies?
Voltage gradients?
X-rays?

Maybe this machine responds to all of the things I listed, or some of them. But How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption?

Originally posted by Esteban
J_P:

At the end, is variation of voltage or magnetic field or the both at same time, but only items buried for long time is capable for to present the phenomenon, except if the target is directly over the sand and exposed at light of Sun, this is, hot. Near the surface is more ease to detect.

I remember that a friend (he is no technician, just treasure hunter, but intelligent person) leave at Sun a piece of medium size copper plate. 1 hour later, the plate is hot (here the Sun is strong). He adjust the pistol (in this case IB + RF detector) and detect at sight at 2 meters. When quite the plate, detection dissapears. I learn this from him.

A day, I was searching with pistol and obtain many beeps with continuity. I watch in the soil and saw over the sand (exposed at Sun) a 1/4 coin (cutted), silver. When quite the metal of the site detection dissapears, no trick of the mind.

Similar occurs with a bronze 1944 coin (exposed at Sun over the sand in a stream) and a piece of copper wire, green, so many "coincidences"...

Hi Esteban,
Thank you for your dissertation on detection disappearing when you remove the target. This is interesting information. But it does not answer my question.

My main question was:
"How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption"? What I am trying to find out is "how do you know this machine is absorbing emissions"?

From what you have posted, it appears that your machine is only showing different "beeping responses" when the target is removed, which has convinced you that your machine is absorbing emissions. However, I am not convinced. I do not believe there are any emissions from the "phenomenon" area except an increase in radionuclides for long time buried metals. And it also seems that your machine is not capable of counting radionuclides. Therefore, I speculate that you are detecting an anomaly of some sort, -- not emissions.

In the case of metal at the surface, the primary anomalies that come to mind are centered around radio reception, passive antenna elements, and possible voltage anomalies, not emissions.

Have you seen some evidence to convince you that your machine is absorbing emissions that you have not posted about yet?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hello Esteban

Today i made the LRL films. Detection of one buried object 3 m distance with Alonso PD(during this week original PD its with me). And then i detect the same target with T-Eldorado metaldetector.I think its one coin.
I ask you to put films in Utube,for everybody to see,and study the Phenomenon.

Regards

Put the code. Wait the end of the counter, maybe 45 s, and download. The Morgan's films:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A7Q8AZIU

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MDQLG7JG

[Esteban]

Hello MASTER p00p

you understand me wrongly. I dont say that...

I agree with Esteban,but phenomenon regenerate in the next minutes or hours.
As you can read in my other thread,first i use PD to locate the target,and then scan&check the place with NEXUS,NO SIGNALS,then i take out 20cm of ground(in the place PD give the continuous beeps),et voilá,my NEXUS detect old silver coin at 30cm. It was at 50 cm before,and PD detect from 3m away.

Kind regards

Is better don't use MD in your test area for pistol because the oscillations consumes the phenomenon. We leave a MD in on 1 hour in the site used for try pistol. This consume totally and the "charge" was restarted in many days due the detector was put by 1 hour. Also rays in the nearby consumes it.

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Thank you for your dissertation on detection disappearing when you remove the target. This is interesting information. But it does not answer my question.

My main question was:
"How does this prove that there are emissions, rather than absorption? Isn't it possible that it is responding to something that is neither an emission or absorption"? What I am trying to find out is "how do you know this machine is absorbing emissions"?

From what you have posted, it appears that your machine is only showing different "beeping responses" when the target is removed, which has convinced you that your machine is absorbing emissions. However, I am not convinced. I do not believe there are any emissions from the "phenomenon" area except an increase in radionuclides for long time buried metals. And it also seems that your machine is not capable of counting radionuclides. Therefore, I speculate that you are detecting an anomaly of some sort, -- not emissions.

In the case of metal at the surface, the primary anomalies that come to mind are centered around radio reception, passive antenna elements, and possible voltage anomalies, not emissions.

Have you seen some evidence to convince you that your machine is absorbing emissions that you have not posted about yet?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

I use "emission" because some very sensitive instrument that enlarge a short pulse 100,000,000 times show the target in wide angle, so is difficult to centrate due the anomaly. But the anomaly only is detectable or better detectable when target is buried for many years and near surface, 10-30 cm. When small target is very deeply maybe you obtain few detection or only a beep, except if the mass is a treasure.

I use "absorption" because I consider that a loop with a toroid can absorb some magnetic-electric anomaly around such targets.

Regards

Esteban

[Max]

Hi J_P

I use "emission" because some very sensitive instrument that enlarge a short pulse 100,000,000 times show the target in wide angle, so is difficult to centrate due the anomaly. But the anomaly only is detectable or better detectable when target is buried for many years and near surface, 10-30 cm. When small target is very deeply maybe you obtain few detection or only a beep, except if the mass is a treasure.

I use "absorption" because I consider that a loop with a toroid can absorb some magnetic-electric anomaly around such targets.

Regards

Esteban

Now I don't understand a word... sorry.

I think this LRL is something black magic maybe... need some shimano stuff... or something cause I don't have a clue of how that stuff will detect any target.

What does it mean you think the toroid catch signal by absorption ???

It's not the meaning of JP words: he asked why you're so sure there's emission and not absorpption BUT at target... not at detector.

It's self-explaining that e.g. a receiver... magnetic receiver (like your toroid stuff) will get part of energy of supposed signal (a magnetic signal in that case) cause it's how a magnetic receiver is supposed to work...

I really don't understand why don't you answer about questions but other issues...

Do you have any dubt that e.g. a tape recorder head emits energy ???

From when ? Usually tape heads are passive receivers...inductive sensors... the magnetic dipoles "stored" on the tape and moving when tape moves make dphi/dt... then you have a dphi/dt (the flux variation vs time) related voltage signal at tape head due to the magnetic induction at coil there.

What the hell you mean the toroid absorpiton ??? Dang... it's impossible talking of serious stuff here...

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Is better don't use MD in your test area for pistol because the oscillations consumes the phenomenon. We leave a MD in on 1 hour in the site used for try pistol. This consume totally and the "charge" was restarted in many days due the detector was put by 1 hour. Also rays in the nearby consumes it.

So... one says that the MD has no effect.... the other says that the phenomenon is consumed by the oscillator of MD...

Then what do you all understand by that ???

I understand that even people that say they have working LRLs have a clear idea of influence of e.g. an extrenal oscillator near the target!

In the better scenario... they all have a different view and perspective of LRL beeps... that's what I say.

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

We need two forums: a place in where you post jokes and other more serious.

[Fred]

Do you have any dubt that e.g. a tape recorder head emits energy ???

In "record" mode it does...to erase the tape

[J_Player]

I use "emission" because some very sensitive instrument that enlarge a short pulse 100,000,000 times show the target in wide angle, so is difficult to centrate due the anomaly. But the anomaly only is detectable or better detectable when target is buried for many years and near surface, 10-30 cm. When small target is very deeply maybe you obtain few detection or only a beep, except if the mass is a treasure.

I use "absorption" because I consider that a loop with a toroid can absorb some magnetic-electric anomaly around such targets.

From what you are saying, this machine uses a toroid coil as a sensor in a passive receiver. is this correct? And the pulse stretcher is showing that there is a pulse being sensed in the toroid coil?

If I am correct, then you are saying that long time buried metals near the surface occasionally give a very short electromagnetic pulse that can be sensed with a toroid coil, and these pulses can be seen if you have an amplifier that can stretch the pulse to a viewable width and display it. When the long time buried metal is removed from the ground, then these pulses no longer can be sensed.
Therefore this machine is absorbing emissions from long time buried metals. Is this correct?

Best wishes,
J_P

[detectoman]

hello; i think one treasure have 3 principal fhurter emisions, differents, and 9 low secundary subemision, all diferent, all these can be detected for multiply ways, too for ultrasound, infrared and others
dman.

[J_Player]

hello; i think one treasure have 3 principal fhurter emisions, differents, and 9 low secundary subemision, all diferent, all these can be detected for multiply ways, too for ultrasound, infrared and others
dman.

Hi Dman,
Can you list the 3 principle emissions that you think a single treasure has, and the 9 low secondary submissions?

There may be a language difference between the English meaning and the Spanish meaning of the word "emission". When we say the word "emission" in English, we are usually talking about discharging or expelling something that is sent out from the metal. This is not the same as when a metal is causing a deformity in the magnetic field of the earth. ie: When a buried iron plate deforms the field of the earth, and you can detect this with a magnetometer, then this iron plate is not considered to be making an emission. It is only causing a local anomaly in the earth's field.

When we say a metal is making an emission we are usually talking about the metal discharging or expelling something such as listed below:
The metal can emit subatomic particles (gamma emission)
The metal can emit heat (hot metal sending out heat)
The metal can emit light (very hot glowing metal)
The metal can emit a charge (sending out electrons or charged particles that you collect in a drift tube or other charge collector)

Maybe the metal can emit an electronic pulse as in Esteban's description, if that pulse originates in the metal, not from the earth's magnetic field, earth's electric field, from broadcast radio waves, from a lightning storm in the distance, or other naturally occurring signal from outside the buried metal.

Some other properties that can be detected are not emissions. These would include simple anomalies in the earth's magnetic field, the earth's electric field, the earth's space charges, etc. The reason I was asking Esteban, is to try to determine if the long time buried metal is actually sending out a signal that originates in the buried metal and surrounding soil, or if this phenomenon area is only causing some other normally occurring earth signal to be amplified and made detectable when long time buried metal is under the ground nearby.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

In "record" mode it does...to erase the tape

Yes sure...

I had to write "player" not recorder!

I put it wrong.... but of course the play-head doesn't emit anything.... just get signals from dphi/dt stuff... magnetic induction.

Kind regards,
Max