Rangertell LRL discreditation

[Esteban]

That is interesting.
There is enought RF energy at any frequency on Earth and outside...

When I detect a simple coin at few meters with FM radio, no more 3-5 m and no at high depth, I think in re-radiated frequency from different sources...

[Dell Winders]

Here is the bottom line on LRL, does it work or not. Then how often will it work successfully. Still all we have is someones' word that they work, that is not enough though because we all know cellphones, radios, standard metal detectors, etc work because we see the results of them being used every day. A controlled test with other people present other than devout LRL users will be necessary to prove their usefulness otherwise all that left is a never ending debate that goes nowhere.

Thousands of controlled tests, double blind, and total blind field tests have been conducted over many years, with and without the Rod(s). Sorry some of you weren't there to see them. Dell

[Dell Winders]

The way this kind of operation is done require enormous amount of energy to stimulate resonance process in the sample... and usually NMR apparatus have active RF TX running at some Tesla induction: 2-3 Tesla are often employed in medical stuff... but fairly higher are usually employed in e.g. NMR for chemistry stuff... like in big academic labs.

Now... the lrl proposed (RT) hasn't any TX... apart the noise generated at calculator , that so small power... and simple tuned circuit.

No NMR is possible at 1000mt distance... even using an enormous superconducting magnet... sorrounding the target... and no receiver exist to read such small variation from 1000mt far...

No way the things like RT could work as LRL. It's scientific fact.

Kind regards,
Max

Max, your PRETENSE of Scientific knowledge of all physics astounds me.

FYI, It is a scientific fact, that for many years now the frequencies of anomalies in earth stratas are being detected, received recorded, and analyzed at the earth surface, to depths of 16,000 feet, that I am aware of. This is done without any tx stimulation whatsoever. Dell

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Thousands of controlled tests, double blind, and total blind field tests have been conducted over many years, with and without the Rod(s). Sorry some of you weren't there to see them. Dell

It seems like you live in a parallel Universe where Dowsing works.

I know only a few Scientific Tests about Dowsing.
The Result of these Tests is well known : It does not work.

[Dell Winders]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the subject of Mechanical Long Range Locators, not Meta-physical Dowsing. There is a big difference in the application.

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

[Delbert grady]

**** Spy problem

So how does this model cope with Dicky Spy problem
Can it be fitted with Dicky Spy screen

[Qiaozhi]

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

I suppose that, because it was on TV, you believe it to be true.
Which program was it?

I invite you to watch Richard Dawkins present Enemies of Reason. You can view it on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
This is Episode 1 (1 of 5).
If you only want to watch the part on dowsing, then go to Episode 1 (3 of 5) and start viewing at 9mins, then continue with Episode 1 (4 of 5). I fully expect that your response will be similar to the dowsers who were filmed in this documentary, if you actually bother to watch it ... which I doubt.

At least it will be interesting for everyone else, if you've not seen it before.

[Theseus]

I suppose that, because it was on TV, you believe it to be true.
Which program was it?

I invite you to watch Richard Dawkins present Enemies of Reason. You can view it on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
This is Episode 1 (1 of 5).
If you only want to watch the part on dowsing, then go to Episode 1 (3 of 5) and start viewing at 9mins, then continue with Episode 1 (4 of 5). I fully expect that your response will be similar to the dowsers who were filmed in this documentary, if you actually bother to watch it ... which I doubt.

At least it will be interesting for everyone else, if you've not seen it before.

Interesting. And naturally, it points up and validates everything the skeptical faction has been maintaining all along. Curious isn't it, how controlled and closely monitored tests of dowsing all produce Chance results, yet anecdotal evidence always gives supporting evidence.

[Carl-NC]

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

I had hoped that Hippop would answer this, since he was insistent that elements have some frequency you could resonate to.

From your post, an LRL'er might say, "Gold resonates at 1.729 MHz," and that's that. They would, of course, be completely wrong, in the same way that they would be wrong to say, "Bridges resonate at 1.148 Hz."

Many times LRL'ers have pointed to NMR frequencies as their proof that every element resonates at some special frequency, but this just underscores their ignorance in what those NMR frequencies really mean. Anyone who understands how a proton precession magnetometer works, understands what those NMR frequencies really mean.

So let's take the magnetometer as an example, and ask ourselves, "What is the resonant frequency of hydrogen?" When you can answer this question, you can follow up with second question: "How can we physically measure resonating hydrogen?"

When you understand the science behind the proton mag, you will begin to understand just how silly the LRL claims of target resonance really are. The problem is, of course, that most LRL proponents really don't understand science... they make it up as they go.

- Carl

P.S. -- Esteban, you are wise to include the disclaimer, "Don't know under which circumstances"... this makes all the difference in the world!

[Dell Winders]

So let's take the magnetometer as an example, and ask ourselves, "What is the resonant frequency of hydrogen?" When you can answer this question, you can follow up with second question: "How can we physically measure resonating hydrogen?"

When you understand the science behind the proton mag, you will begin to understand just how silly the LRL claims of target resonance really are. The problem is, of course, that most LRL proponents really don't understand science... they make it up as they go.

WOW! Carl, you are smart. I towed a proton magnetometer sensor head around in the water (H2O) for years and never once gave thought I was detecting the resonate field of hydrogen in the water. I guess that shows my stupidity of LRL physics.

[Dell Winders]

I suppose that, because it was on TV, you believe it to be true

And, am I to suppose that because you saw it on youtube, you believe it to be true? Dell

[Max]

Max, your PRETENSE of Scientific knowledge of all physics astounds me.

FYI, It is a scientific fact, that for many years now the frequencies of anomalies in earth stratas are being detected, received recorded, and analyzed at the earth surface, to depths of 16,000 feet, that I am aware of. This is done without any tx stimulation whatsoever. Dell

Hi,
I think you don't understand well what I wrote. The anomalies you talk are related to big energy, and it's wrong there's no transmitter.

There are "transmitters": e.g. the lightning storms could generate few hertz signals detectable, or the Earth magnetic field can produce variations in known physical phenomenons like telluric currents...

But I was talking about NMR and claimed atomic resonance detected by LRLs... not other stuff. So I stand on my words.

If you know how to do NMR at 1000mt distance tell us how instead of ranting about "anomalies" recorded.

Otherwise, your PRETENSE of reading atomic frequencies will remain a mark of your ignorance.

Kind regards,
Max

[Steve in MS]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the subject of Mechanical Long Range Locators, not Meta-physical Dowsing. There is a big difference in the application.

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

I bet ESP plays a big role with the devices you sell.
I could take a course in remote viewing and bypass using these dowsing rods altogether and get better results.
Thousands of independent tests?
We are talking about the pivot type devices here, the ones to for sale to the more gullible people out there, not military or lab equipment.
It is truly amazing that these rods can tell gold and/ or silver from all other metals out there, isn't it?
I bet there are thousands upon thousands of detector users that would like a device to find gold rings amongst all those pulltabs.
You should be able to take Carl's tests and pass it with flying colors, just be sure we get it on video for everyone to see , if Carl cares to deal with you.

[J_Player]

I bet ESP plays a big role with the devices you sell.

If ESP played a role in selling LRLs. this would imply the LRL seller had some extra-sensory precognition that an individual, or group of individuals was predisposed to believe that LRLs work. I doubt this is true.

The methods of marketing do not rely on ESP to identify a potential victim. The most popular LRL marketing strategy simply presumes there is a sizable percentage of ignorant people who believe whatever crap they are told (or read), and will spend money for what they believe will easily find treasure, even though they have never seen it work reliably, or at all. The theories about "magnetic-electric" fields, "shooting signal lines", and other wierd science are easy for people to believe who had no education except what they see in the movies.

I must conclude any use of ESP for LRLs is simply more advertising BS, or hypothetical theories of how it works -- not really part of the LRL apparatus or its use, and not part of identifying victims for LRL sales.

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

When I detect a simple coin at few meters with FM radio, no more 3-5 m and no at high depth, I think in re-radiated frequency from different sources...

Simple coin with FM radio, no more 3-5 m !?!?!?
Boooooahahahahahahahahahahahaa!

What "m" stands for? Milimeter? Even than is hell of result!