This will change the world

[Max]

putrechigi, traveling to Italy, is not an option for me. I am physically handicapped, and financially unable.

I thank you for your offer. Dell

and how about "mentally" ? Ops... no your brain works good... you're still on business!

Are just customers that could have problems...

[Max]

Envy is the worst of all evils...






Oh I see.. Misguided by 'brickheads' such as yourself?

For your eyes only.. And to other eyes here.
I will never discuss here my sucessful device and the technology involved.
It took study, research and effort. And... Merit!

If you don't raise your butt from your armchair and study, you will always be the comic character skeptic here.
A life totally wasted... Jeezzz..

Dell, advice 2:

Get out of this thread. You don't deseve to waste your time with these people. You know the truth. Let them remain in the dark. THEY WANT IT TO.

That old saying: 'Don't throw pearls to the pigs', come in handy here.
Good luck.

Can I show some stuff... ? Aren't you in that movies ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QG2bbZcUxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LLewrlD5RE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNY2_J3z4A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNY2_J3z4A

So... what the meaning of that movies ? Measure what ? The noise around ?

Merit!

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

I guess it could be profitable if I went into production. The demand is there. I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request. Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references. I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell

SO YOU TELL IT KNOW !

" I am slow and only build them on request."

No oompa loompas... and YOU MELT THE GLUE!?

Better with oompa loompas there... melting the glue for you than doing yourself!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

JP, I can certainly see your dilemma, and you have my sympathy. If that was the criteria I had to use to make a decision, I would be as confused as you.

With folks using fictitious names, and not providing educational backgrounds, or personal information, (except me) I cannot answer those questions either. But then, I speak honestly from my own field experience, and do not rely on the assumptions and opinions of others as being factual information.

Sorry, I can't help you, but here is a little hint to your problem.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

Hi Dell,
Thank you for your sympathy in my pathetic moment. You are correct... I am sure you would be confused as me if not for your using a different criteria to make a decision. You are also correct that these fictitious names do not provide educational backgrounds or personal information except for you. So what to do?

Well maybe this is my lucky day. I just noticed a couple of prominent members from the LRL proponent and the skeptic viewpoint have their real names posted. Yup, Carl-NC AKA Carl Moreland, and Dell Winders are both using their real names! But the personal profile section does not show educational background that would demonstrate their competency level in judging the usefulness of the circuitry in an LRL. However, there are hundreds of posts where we can search to find information that may shed some light on this. Yes, among the evil members who hide behind fictitious aliases, there are two dim lights still shining through the steamy mist of obscure and dubious BS. So off to the forum posts in search of the answers to the questions I asked...

Let's begin with my first question:
Who studied science, math, electronics and engineering for years to become knowledgeable in state of the art technical methods?

Hmmm... I can't find anything about Carl or you that shows either one of you attended schools of science, math, electronics or engineering for years. But I did find a number of interesting posts by Carl which could not have been made if he had not studied math and electronics for years. Here is an example ...

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=74012

If you read this post, and Carl's other posts that led up to it in the same thread, you will see he identified a circuitry concern that the person asking for help had not considered, and provided all the details needed to make an excellent choice in components as well as telling what to watch out for in the circuit.

Now, we all know I am an evil scientific pretender hiding behind a fake alias, so if I say I attended a university that taught technical and scientific disciplines, we may have to discount it as total BS. Having said that, from the alleged university I attended, I learned in my alleged classes that what Carl is talking about in his post cannot be known unless he also attended classes that were at least as rigorous as the classes I attended. I can also assume he had to get the answers right in his tests before they would grant him a degree or certificate stating he is competent in his ability to understand advanced circuitry. But keep in mind... you may call me a bald-faced liar, because I am hiding behind an alias and I have not proven I attended any school of any kind.

Now, let's go in search of Dell Winders posts that would indicate his level of expertise in electronics...

Aha... here we have a post that tells us the answer: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?p=44340
Hmmmm... You describe yourself as "A Kentucky Hillbilly, with a 6th grade formal education in country schools".

Well, now this makes me wonder if maybe Carl is more qualified to determine how well electronic circuits work than you are. At least, it would seem that way until I read where you write that he is a scientific pretender. So I check all them hard to figger things Carl said about dv/dt and e^-t/tau. Guess what? He was right on every count. You could build a space shuttle using the kind of math and electronics formulas he uses and it would be right first time!

I guess what I am saying is sorry, but I gotta go with the guy who knows, not with the hillbilly who doesn't know. Or did I miss something? Should I have an open mind to consider the hillbilly/6th grade education knows more about what the electronics does than the person who has the training adequate to build cutting edge circuitry?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

Steve, those are legitimate questions, but as you can see this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality. Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here. Sorry, this is the wrong atmosphere to have serious discussions.

I participate here when I have time, because it is a wonderment to me to see grown, formally educated men, pretending to be Scientific, and go into such rages of childish rants when their ego's are threatened by someone of far less formal educational background. I do find some of the postings on Carl's, forum amusing. Dell

Hmmm, I can't agree with your reply here, who cares about whether there are skeptics here or not. I thought those were straight-forward questions,
seems to me LRLs are too esoteric in nature.
Even you stated
"don't believe anything you hear, or read and only half of what you see"
that would make you a skeptic on a lot of issues, I suppose.
LRLs are advertised to be a mechanical and/or electronic device to locate treasure when there is from what you and other dowsers here state more to it than that, something metaphysical in nature which if one thinks about it critically, that is a very strange arrangement.
Even if one person could use it successfully, many others would not be successful, simply because once again, they are dependent on metaphysics.
My conclusion is these devices cannot ever be in the mainstream, such as VLFs and PIs nor should they ever be advertised without the customer's knowledge of the paranormal aspect of them.

[Clondike Clad]

It is so deep it stanks

I guess it could be profitable if I went into production. The demand is there. I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request. Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references. I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell

JUST READ WHAT YOU WRITE DELL.
THE BULL IS DEEP ON THIS ONE
DELL COULD JUST READ THIS PLEASE ! JUST READ IT AS IF IT WAS ME WRITING IT.THIS IS VERY DEEP DELL VERRRRRRY DEEEEEP.
I had to say it( Now back to lurking)

[Clondike Clad]

Please list them

Correct. We are proponents of science ... but this is not science ... it's pseudo-science. This contraption is a dowsing rod in disguise, so no mystery there then.

Anyway, what about the questions you have conveniently been avoiding?
Should we list them again to refresh your rather patchy memory?

I want to help Dell out ,so please list them so he won't think i an the only one.

[Theseus]

Mike, is trying to share his knowledge & experience with both Dowsing & LRL, and there are others that gave up quickly.
Dell

Dowsing and LRL are ONE IN THE SAME. They both operate as a result of an ideomotor response.

If you think differently, I challenge you to post conclusive evidence, right here to prove there is a difference.

[Theseus]

Steve, those are legitimate questions, but as you can see this a hecklers forum for closed minded idiots to exercise their prejudice mentality. Serious discussions of LRL are not allowed to progress. It is a waste of my time to try to answer questions here. Sorry, this is the wrong atmosphere to have serious discussions.

I participate here when I have time, because it is a wonderment to me to see grown, formally educated men, pretending to be Scientific, and go into such rages of childish rants when their ego's are threatened by someone of far less formal educational background. I do find some of the postings on Carl's, forum amusing. Dell

I got an idea, why don't you answer Steve's questions on your own website. Then, no one can post the truth right next to your BS.

Also, if this forum is so disturbing to you, and you only "read" it for amusement, why bother making replies? Could it be you'd rather "read" and "reply" here than build your backordered scam dowsing units. Think of all the work you could get done, and parts hot-glued in, if you weren't spending that time here.

[Fred]

Really Dell here you got me confused :

I'm usually 1-3 months back ordered, but I am slow and only build them on request.

So, there are always requests and you build all the time right ?

Some are repeat customers, but most are from "word of mouth" references.

Why a customer could want to buy more than one ??? do they expire, or don´t work at first time?

I am very grateful for the additional income to supplement my $630 a month Social security. Dell

Well,considering how simple they are, with 3 months backorder and at the price they are,i am sure it make a hell of an income!

[Dell Winders]

Fred, what I said is truthfully the way it is. It is your own assumptions and imagination that are confusing you. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Dowsing and LRL are ONE IN THE SAME. They both operate as a result of an ideomotor response.

If you think differently, I challenge you to post conclusive evidence, right here to prove there is a difference.

We always seem to agree that Dowsing, is a sub-conscious activity that triggers an Ideomotor muscle response? I always read this is considered in the realm of Meta-Physics?

Carl, recently contradicted this and posted that Dowsing is NOT Meta-physical, and that Science clearly explains the physics involved in Dowsing?

Let's wait and see what Carl's, Scientific report has to say about the physics that causes my Map, Photo, & Information Dowsing to work, before you continue banging your vindictive drums of personal prejudice. Dell

[Theseus]

We always seem to agree that Dowsing, is a sub-conscious activity that triggers an Ideomotor muscle response? I always read this is considered in the realm of Meta-Physics?

Carl, recently contradicted this and posted that Dowsing is NOT Meta-physical, and that Science clearly explains the physics involved in Dowsing?

Let's wait and see what Carl's, Scientific report has to say about the physics that causes my Map, Photo, & Information Dowsing to work, before you continue banging your vindictive drums of personal prejudice. Dell

Dowsing AND Dowsing with any form of enhancement, such as your do-nothing hot-glued electronics junk is a subconscious activity that requires an ideomotor response before there can be an indication.

Probably, Carl has reference to the physics of Gravity acting on your dowsing instruments, whilst you hold them in your hand.

Incidently.... if this forum is so disturbing to you, and you only "read" it for amusement, why bother making replies? Could it be you'd rather "read" and "reply" here, than build your backordered scam dowsing units. Think of all the work you could get done, and parts hot-glued in, if you weren't spending that time here.

[Fred]

Fred, what I said is truthfully the way it is. It is your own assumptions and imagination that are confusing you. Dell

Right. And you are clear in your explanations.I see:you take me for a fool.
Maybe we all have a confusing mind except you.
Remember this?

Could you explain the meta-physics that makes dowsing work?

NO!

Well i found a tecnhical explanation after all.And in your own site:

"The specific Molecular Frequency generated by the electronics in the MFD provides the discrimination of the concentrated E/M fields by "matching" the resonating frequency of that selected element and establishing a harmonic relation to that specific element. In addition, it provides an overriding of the unwanted E/M fields allowing only the field of the selected (discriminated to)element to come through to be measured by the reaction of the L-Rods or electronically metered"

Really looks like a scientific explanation , doesn´t it?
Are GPS sells going well too?

[Qiaozhi]

"The specific Molecular Frequency generated by the electronics in the MFD provides the discrimination of the concentrated E/M fields by "matching" the resonating frequency of that selected element and establishing a harmonic relation to that specific element. In addition, it provides an overriding of the unwanted E/M fields allowing only the field of the selected (discriminated to)element to come through to be measured by the reaction of the L-Rods or electronically metered"

Really looks like a scientific explanation , doesn´t it?
Are GPS sells going well too?

That's just the problem. It does sound scientific to the technically-challenged. It is this sort of pseudo-scientific claptrap that lures the unwary into giving Dell the contents of their wallets. The really sad ones actually come back for more, or even get their friends involved. Who needs friends like that?