Action of the Earth in solenoids

[Steve in MS]

Your posts show your ignorance. You do not even understand what a dowsing rod is used for. When you sweep the rod past a target, the rod will act as if it hits a wall. This is the edge of the target's field. So the rod is used to sense the target field's "pressure". Of course something has to elevate this pressure and that could be a frequency transmitter, or the "eyebeam" of the dowser. Yes, some people might be able to sense this with a crowbar (what I call a 'thug" rod) but the finer the rod the more information the dowser can receive. It's sort of like the tin cans and string telephones.

Mike, show us some pics of your finds with your LRLs.

[Qiaozhi]

Mike, show us some pics of your finds with your LRLs.

"I am going outside and might be some time." - Mike Mont (or was that Captain Lawrence Oates?).

[Mike(Mont)]

My post above was supposed to be posted on the Ramka by Morgan thread. I was addressing the executive decision maker comment and the one by Morgan that the cheapest L-rod is the best.

I offer my knowledge for free to those who want to learn. In this case I wanted to dispel the misinformation that an L-rod is a gravity detector. I think some people here have a learning disability--a mental block fueled by prejudice and all sorts of negativity. Just like an alcoholic, they can't be helped until they admit they have a problem, until they see the light. Most never do. In the 1960's there was psychedelics and today there is Breathwork Techniques. Many people make an instant conversion.

Of course the easiest cop-out is to blame someone or something else for our own problems.

[hung]

Dowsing is a "trick of the mind". People who believe in dowsing are being self-deluded, because the act of dowsing can be quite compelling.

Ozzy, You are the comedian .

A 'trick of the mind' made great dowser Jon 'teleprospector' find this treasure with a simple set of dowsing rods.

The day this forum 'grows up' and the kids who inhabit here at present become at least teens, then Mike, Dell, Sweatofglory, myself and a few others might consider finally feeling like discussing and sharing the aspects of dowsing.

[hung]

And when the paper is unwrapped...
Silver liberty pennies.

[Qiaozhi]

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

[Fred]

...In this case I wanted to dispel the misinformation that an L-rod is a gravity detector. I think some people here have a learning disability-

A L-rod IS a gravity detector- you can´t deny this can you ?

A 'trick of the mind' made great dowser Jon 'teleprospector' find this treasure with a simple set of dowsing rods.

Nothing special with this if, like i suggested before, the downsing rods helped his mind to classify otherwise hidden clues.
Just like when you can find more easily a needle on the ground a night with a flashlight than during daytime , because you attention is better focused.

[Theseus]

Ozzy, You are the comedian .

A 'trick of the mind' made great dowser Jon 'teleprospector' find this treasure with a simple set of dowsing rods.

I hope you don't expect us to believe that story, just on the pictures you've posted.

[Steve in MS]

My post above was supposed to be posted on the Ramka by Morgan thread. I was addressing the executive decision maker comment and the one by Morgan that the cheapest L-rod is the best.

I offer my knowledge for free to those who want to learn. In this case I wanted to dispel the misinformation that an L-rod is a gravity detector. I think some people here have a learning disability--a mental block fueled by prejudice and all sorts of negativity. Just like an alcoholic, they can't be helped until they admit they have a problem, until they see the light. Most never do. In the 1960's there was psychedelics and today there is Breathwork Techniques. Many people make an instant conversion.

Of course the easiest cop-out is to blame someone or something else for our own problems.

No need to get overly defensive Mike, our learning disability amounts to looking for evidence that mechanical LRLs work and if they do under one conditions.
Our "problem" is there is no data or serious study if mechanical LRLs do what is claimed. I guess to be enlightened, we would all just go out and buy one without any idea of a success rate.
Doesn't that sound like a bad idea to you? If you shop for a car and ask the seller, does this car work and he says yeah but it may not work for you, or it only runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays, what would you think?
Does it work is the first question, what is the success rate and then what would follow is an investigation into how it works.
Prejudice and negativity has nothing to do with it, until someone can actually set-up some tests, there will always be a question about usefulness of LRLs since the early days all kind of wild claims have been made.
You see the product is what is being questioned here and if users of LRLs are following any kind of guidelines to ensure that these products are indeed useful.
All the jargon of terms associated with the LRLs use is not much good if the practicality of such a device is not first established.
Would you be willing to be involved in serious tests that will prove or disprove LRLs effectiveness?

[Theseus]

No need to get overly defensive Mike, our learning disability amounts to looking for evidence that mechanical LRLs work and if they do under one conditions.
Our "problem" is there is no data or serious study if mechanical LRLs do what is claimed. I guess to be enlightened, we would all just go out and buy one without any idea of a success rate.
Doesn't that sound like a bad idea to you? If you shop for a car and ask the seller, does this car work and he says yeah but it may not work for you, or it only runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays, what would you think?
Does it work is the first question, what is the success rate and then what would follow is an investigation into how it works.
Prejudice and negativity has nothing to do with it, until someone can actually set-up some tests, there will always be a question about usefulness of LRLs since the early days all kind of wild claims have been made.
You see the product is what is being questioned here and if users of LRLs are following any kind of guidelines to ensure that these products are indeed useful.
All the jargon of terms associated with the LRLs use is not much good if the practicality of such a device is not first established.
Would you be willing to be involved in serious tests that will prove or disprove LRLs effectiveness?

Not sure if you know or not, but Mike is himself a "seller" of yet another dowsing wand. Since the price of his device is greater than 50 cents, this puts him in the category of an up and coming wallet-miner.

As such, I doubt very much Mike would be interested in becoming involved with a test that "might" disprove the effectiveness of his or any other LRL.

[Steve in MS]

Not sure if you know or not, but Mike is himself a "seller" of yet another dowsing wand. Since the price of his device is greater than 50 cents, this puts him in the category of an up and coming wallet-miner.

As such, I doubt very much Mike would be interested in becoming involved with a test that "might" disprove the effectiveness of his or any other LRL.

Hmmm, no I didn't know Mike is a seller.
Except for Hung, I don't see users that aren't selling them.
It seems to me if these contraptions really worked, there would be plenty of users showing pictures and showing how these units work....
Where there is smoke, there is fire, the only smoke here is what the LRL proponents are inhaling .

[Theseus]

Hmmm, no I didn't know Mike is a seller.
Except for Hung, I don't see users that aren't selling them.
It seems to me if these contraptions really worked, there would be plenty of users showing pictures and showing how these units work....
Where there is smoke, there is fire, the only smoke here is what the LRL proponents are inhaling .

Or the smoke that goes along with the mirrors to make LRLs appear to work better than just guessing.

Can you spell S-N-A-K-E O-I-L ?

[Sean_Goddard]

[quote=Esteban;87023]In a French book of Physics (translate to Spanish) by J. Langlebert, doctor in Medicine and professor of Nature Sciences and Physics, of 1911, you can found the action of the Earth in solenoids, page 394. This is, when you connect to the batteries a solenoid wich pivots in a receptacle with mercury (for to stablish well contact), the extremes "watch" one to North and other to South.

The pole wich "watch" to the North is called austral and the pole wich "watch" to the South is called boreal.

Ok, this acts as a compass.

Well, in the same way you can design a system wich can "watch" to desirable target...


WHAT BULLS**T!!

Dude, the earth is quite a bit larger then any target you might find, and it may come as ashock to you but it has a thing called a M A G N T I C F I E L D this is due to the fact that it's core is a huge lump of molten IRON.

Now IF you built the machine you are proposing, then consider that the magnetic field of the target you are after, and YES a gold object WILL distort the magnetic field of the earth in it's immediate vacinity, but NOT in any amount that could possible be measured from 105 metres away, in fact, you are NOW into the realms of conventional metal detectors (something WE know a LOT about) and you, not so much so obviously. So your (again made up speudo explanation) about voltage concentration, whatever that is, is more manure than I've seen in a long time.

SPEAK FACTS, not this continous stream of childish drivel we all see.

I challenge YOU and all other LRL'ers MAKE something that works, then post the designs on here so we can ALL make one and agree (or otherwise) with you, but all I see so far in response to my last request for hard scietific theory are the sort of rambling I would expect from a four year old with a VERY active imagination. I might suggest you go back to school where thay can teach you a few REAL facts about physics and electromagnetism.

FACTS, FACT, DESIGNS and PROOF. You have non of ANY of these that I have seen so far. Sorry, but SHOW ME THE MONEY then we'll take you seriously, but FFS STOP with the fake science!!

[Theseus]

Oh, and just as an aside; When does the debunkering begin?

[Esteban]

[quote=Sean_Goddard;87319]

In a French book of Physics (translate to Spanish) by J. Langlebert, doctor in Medicine and professor of Nature Sciences and Physics, of 1911, you can found the action of the Earth in solenoids, page 394. This is, when you connect to the batteries a solenoid wich pivots in a receptacle with mercury (for to stablish well contact), the extremes "watch" one to North and other to South.

The pole wich "watch" to the North is called austral and the pole wich "watch" to the South is called boreal.

Ok, this acts as a compass.

Well, in the same way you can design a system wich can "watch" to desirable target...


WHAT BULLS**T!!

Dude, the earth is quite a bit larger then any target you might find, and it may come as ashock to you but it has a thing called a M A G N T I C F I E L D this is due to the fact that it's core is a huge lump of molten IRON.

Now IF you built the machine you are proposing, then consider that the magnetic field of the target you are after, and YES a gold object WILL distort the magnetic field of the earth in it's immediate vacinity, but NOT in any amount that could possible be measured from 105 metres away, in fact, you are NOW into the realms of conventional metal detectors (something WE know a LOT about) and you, not so much so obviously. So your (again made up speudo explanation) about voltage concentration, whatever that is, is more manure than I've seen in a long time.

SPEAK FACTS, not this continous stream of childish drivel we all see.

I challenge YOU and all other LRL'ers MAKE something that works, then post the designs on here so we can ALL make one and agree (or otherwise) with you, but all I see so far in response to my last request for hard scietific theory are the sort of rambling I would expect from a four year old with a VERY active imagination. I might suggest you go back to school where thay can teach you a few REAL facts about physics and electromagnetism.

FACTS, FACT, DESIGNS and PROOF. You have non of ANY of these that I have seen so far. Sorry, but SHOW ME THE MONEY then we'll take you seriously, but FFS STOP with the fake science!!

How you're very sure if you have not infos about it. I can't post details how occurs this and what is the procedure used for to show this gold at distance.

Why you speak about real science if science have not investigations in this field?

Why you and other are part of the "Holy Inquisition"? Eh?

Your prejudices and attitude are enough motives for to be more obscured each day.

I try to be serious all the time, but persons as you and others converts this forum in your mockery scenario. Sorry for all you!

The fact is: you can't opinate about it regarding your zero experience and zero real experiment in the field and in this matter. So, if you and others are zero in this matter, then the only non-serious are you.

Esteban