Simple but brilliant LRL

[J_Player]

Nice work you've done here in illustrating the possible "fake show" - we just won't come any further by pure speculations. The shovel also could have been used to mark the gold ring for finding it again if the Bionic not will work or so the viewer knows that the goldring really is at this special location.

Not to forget he uses the Bionic 01 and I'm speaking about the Alpha, which already claims it does NOT works for really far distances, but instead also can detect other metals, too.

The price is a topic on its own. A small 10ct emerald also could cost ya 10.000 dollars! Same with very rare collection objects or hitec prototype stuff.
If you have the money get your darling a ring for 10.000 bucks - but it's nothing essential (ok, under some circumstances it might be...)
The big question is: it is worth the high price or not!
Yes it is, but only if you will find valuable stuff for shure and not just for holding on to a dream that never comes true.


But I think such a high price is a pretty good justification that the expensive LRL HAS TO WORK as described otherwise the unsatisfied customer has a very good reason for going immediatly to court or getting his money back! The more it costs the more money would be lost or "stolen" if it doesn't work and therefore the higher the "punishment" for a fraud-company has to be - this can tell you any lawyer.
Before buying a LRL always ask your lawyer how you can stay on the safe side...

Hi Funfinder,
There is no reason to go to court or hire a lawyer. You are in Germany!
You are in a perfect position to test any OKM detector yourself and see if it will work for you to help you find treasure.
There are Germans who own different models of OKM who you can contact to ask questions and maybe go on field trips to see what the OKM can do.
You do not need to speculate anything.

The best test of any treasure locator is to put it in your own hands and use it to see if it can help you find hidden treasure.
Use the detector and see if it is something you want to spend the money for.
After you try it in the conditions that you normally hunt for treasure, you will know without speculation if you want to buy it.

For example: If you go to a known location where people buried gold treasures for their gods and the OKM shows you the location of 10 kilos of gold in different places before the end of the day, then maybe you will buy the OKM detector as soon as you return to the store. But if you find cannot find gold, even in places where you buried the gold, then maybe you will tell the OKM people that you agree with other German treasure hunters that the OKM does not find gold.

For me it is speculation that no OKM model can find gold, because I never tested an OKM in a way that will prevent the salesman from making tricks to fool me.
But you are close to the OKM detector manufacturer.
And Morgan can give you information about other German people who know the answers from testing with their own hands.
You have no need to speculate. You can easily find the answers if you want to know.

It is true I am speculating all the OKM detectors are gradiometers and cannot identify gold.
But it is also true that you are speculating when you say you "have no doubt the OKM Bionic detects gold from a distance".

The difference between my speculation and your speculation is my speculation costs me nothing, but your speculation costs 10.000 EU.
If you decide not to test the OKM for yourself before buying, then you are left with a final decision:

You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky?
Well, do ya?
Are you ready to hold on to a dream that never comes true?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

JUST ONE SHORT STORY ABOUT OKM


One friend buy the BIONIC 01 and go search in frontier near Austria-Hungria, in special celtic territory where already treasures have ben found.
The place is where the celts buried ofers to their gods.
The owner of this BIONIC 01,search during one week all this place and surounds and said no more treasures,he finds NOTHING !!!
A week latter some of my friend go to the same place with powerful metal detector and dig five medium size treasures !!! Was schulde ich ihnen ? OKM is to deceive people,sorry to tell,i know you are from Germany but this BIONIC´s are useles...

Ihr Freund... Er ist dein Retter!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

@ J_Player
It's not that simple as you might think but I really like your very good and fair argumentation!

I am not from Germany but from a german speaking neighbour-country and visiting OKM in Windischleuba near Leipzig would b a 2-3 days trip minimum and would cost me around 300-500 Euro. So first the question is if it's really worth.

I asked a treasure hunter pro that worked already with OKM detectors and he told me that this is a very complex story and I should test those devices absolutly by myself.

And even if you may believe those will tell me for shure lies for selling their products, I will try to contact some OKM resellers to get more specific info about the Bionic 01 and Alpha. The OKM Magnetometer / Gradiometer devices work for shure - just how good is the question.

But you also can get such units here:

http://kts-electronic.com/content/view/12/54/lang,en/

The price is 12.000 Euro and I doubt they make a special high price if it's not justified by expensive parts and long engineering and production-issues, because they also want to sell their products for an attractive price.


@ Morgan
It was the OKM Bionic 01 "LRL only" your german friends have used unsuccessfully. I have no doubt your report about that celtic site is true but we can't use this as a proof this stuff is completly garbage and doesn't work at all.

The most important thing first is to find out what detection-abilities are proofable and repeatable testable. Like the "fresh gold" detector of new Mineoros - if it really works like the name claims.

The second question is really to proof this distance tests shown in that already known videos - especially that outside one! What kind of calibration is used and how deep the fresh gold get's detected - but if buried!

I don't know if Esteban already bought such device to add it to his "LRL arsenal" as he told - but if yes, he also can tell us his own fieldtest-results.

Shure I'm feeling sad about your german friends they haven't found anything so far with such a very expensive detector and perhaps after real much work, but this is no proof it doesn't work at all. And I doubt they bought it without any try or test before.

Nobody makes such risky and expensive investments without at least some tests before. I also don't know if they are in contact now with OKM and what those say to statements like:
"Your Bionic 01 completly doesn't work, so either give me a working one or my money back!"

Morgan, near where I am living alot Nazi-Gold and other treasures have been hidden at the end of WW2. Most of it has been found already, but not everything. So a real working LRL could be pays off if I get if with such one - but that's the big ???

For final pinpointing the Jeohunter already is perfect but this area is huge and the gold could be have been buried everywhere - at 1m depth minimum!

But for shure I won't invest 10.000 bucks into some unsecure device that works just sometimes. That's why I really would like to get such OKM Bionic into my hands and make really smart tests. We have to find out if it works or not or how good, if we want to find "special hidden treasures" and I will look forward to do this.

[Esteban]

@ J_Player
It's not that simple as you might think but I really like your very good and fair argumentation!

I am not from Germany but from a german speaking neighbour-country and visiting OKM in Windischleuba near Leipzig would b a 2-3 days trip minimum and would cost me around 300-500 Euro. So first the question is if it's really worth.

I asked a treasure hunter pro that worked already with OKM detectors and he told me that this is a very complex story and I should test those devices absolutly by myself.

And even if you may believe those will tell me for shure lies for selling their products, I will try to contact some OKM resellers to get more specific info about the Bionic 01 and Alpha. The OKM Magnetometer / Gradiometer devices work for shure - just how good is the question.

But you also can get such units here:

http://kts-electronic.com/content/view/12/54/lang,en/

The price is 12.000 Euro and I doubt they make a special high price if it's not justified by expensive parts and long engineering and production-issues, because they also want to sell their products for an attractive price.


@ Morgan
It was the OKM Bionic 01 "LRL only" your german friends have used unsuccessfully. I have no doubt your report about that celtic site is true but we can't use this as a proof this stuff is completly garbage and doesn't work at all.

The most important thing first is to find out what detection-abilities are proofable and repeatable testable. Like the "fresh gold" detector of new Mineoros - if it really works like the name claims.

The second question is really to proof this distance tests shown in that already known videos - especially that outside one! What kind of calibration is used and how deep the fresh gold get's detected - but if buried!

I don't know if Esteban already bought such device to add it to his "LRL arsenal" as he told - but if yes, he also can tell us his own fieldtest-results.

Shure I'm feeling sad about your german friends they haven't found anything so far with such a very expensive detector and perhaps after real much work, but this is no proof it doesn't work at all. And I doubt they bought it without any try or test before.

Nobody makes such risky and expensive investments without at least some tests before. I also don't know if they are in contact now with OKM and what those say to statements like:
"Your Bionic 01 completly doesn't work, so either give me a working one or my money back!"

Morgan, near where I am living alot Nazi-Gold and other treasures have been hidden at the end of WW2. Most of it has been found already, but not everything. So a real working LRL could be pays off if I get if with such one - but that's the big ???

For final pinpointing the Jeohunter already is perfect but this area is huge and the gold could be have been buried everywhere - at 1m depth minimum!

But for shure I won't invest 10.000 bucks into some unsecure device that works just sometimes. That's why I really would like to get such OKM Bionic into my hands and make really smart tests. We have to find out if it works or not or how good, if we want to find "special hidden treasures" and I will look forward to do this.

No, haven't it. 12,000 euros!!!

[detectoman]

hello esteban ya estas bien de tu ojo? yo espero que ya estes bien
hi esteban i finally healt of you eye? i await you' re fine

[Funfinder]

@ Esteban
Yeah, I hope your eye is healthy very soon, too.

And shure 12.000 Euro (ca. 15.000 Dollars) is a huge amount of money, especially if you have already alot good working LRLs.

But I hope you did or will find with them gold treasures worth a few millions so this money would be just peanuts for you...

I really hope at least you will find a way to test some Bionic Alpha or Bionic 01 for us, even without buying.

[Funfinder]

I've found out for the long time ago artefacts the Bionic Alpha uses an "ions count system".

So what is this exactly? Is it comparable with radioactivity-detectors?

If so noble metal like gold has to produce some energetic particles that radiates or got transported with the electrostatic field like Mineoro explains.

This is ion-radiation and not ion-particles that move into nearby ground.

Is Mineoro shure that this 24k gold-foil inside of the FG80 chamber attracts gold-ion-radiation only? I doubt, because it is metal and metal would attract all kind of metal-ions.

btw. OKM has written:

The technology of OKM metal detectors has been certified and well tested

But certified from whom?

Anyway - we'll check out the big secret about the Bionic Alpha and 01 - just a matter of time, money and motivation!

[Funfinder]

JUST ONE SHORT STORY ABOUT OKM


One friend buy the BIONIC 01 and go search in frontier near Austria-Hungria, in special celtic territory where already treasures have ben found.
The place is where the celts buried ofers to their gods.
The owner of this BIONIC 01,search during one week all this place and surounds and said no more treasures,he finds NOTHING !!!
A week latter some of my friend go to the same place with powerful metal detector and dig five medium size treasures !!! Was schulde ich ihnen ? OKM is to deceive people,sorry to tell,i know you are from Germany but this BIONIC´s are useles...
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First you can not know that "you are from Germany" because I'm from Austria and second what do like to say with "Was schulde ich ihnen?" alias "How much or what do i owe you?"

According to Estebans explaination the strong radiation aka EM-field-oscillation MDs and especially the powerful metal detectors of your fellows create can or will definitive kill the very weak eletectrostatic currents. And if there are also iron objects buried it would also reduce the chance for detection.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16320&page=3

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106812&postcount=56

3. If you put a small iron object near the object, the distance decreases.

4. If you put a large iron object on the target area may disappear almost completely, except for a treasure or a large object, good conductor.

(...)

6. If you put a MD (on) over the target for 15 minutes or less, the "phenomenon" dissapears. So oscillations consumes the "phenomenon". The "phenomenon" recovers after X time.

And one page before on post #50 Esteban wrote:

I explain millions times. When you put oscillator near item, also you're killed the phenomenon.

Blaming Mineoro or OKM their "expensive" or even worse "scam" devices don't work is easy and cheap, but finding out the true reasons would be much more constructive for all of us if we wanna end up successfully with the whole long range problematic.

And I'm shure the weak electrostatic fields of this celtic-site have been already completly eradicated by hords of detectorists since a very long time!

[J_Player]

Blaming Mineoro or OKM their "expensive" or even worse "scam" devices don't work is easy and cheap, but finding out the true reasons would be much more constructive for all of us if we wanna end up successfully with the whole long range problematic.

And I'm shure the weak electrostatic fields of this celtic-site have been already completly eradicated by hords of detectorists since a very long time!

Ummmm...
Does this mean you are ready to buy the OKM now?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

LRL

I've found out for the long time ago artefacts the Bionic Alpha uses an "ions count system".

So what is this exactly? Is it comparable with radioactivity-detectors?

If so noble metal like gold has to produce some energetic particles that radiates or got transported with the electrostatic field like Mineoro explains.

This is ion-radiation and not ion-particles that move into nearby ground.

Is Mineoro shure that this 24k gold-foil inside of the FG80 chamber attracts gold-ion-radiation only? I doubt, because it is metal and metal would attract all kind of metal-ions.

btw. OKM has written:

But certified from whom?

Anyway - we'll check out the big secret about the Bionic Alpha and 01 - just a matter of time, money and motivation!

Just popular expresion, HOW MUCH ATENTION SHOULD I PAY FOR THIS BIONIC 01...

[Morgan]

LRL

I've found out for the long time ago artefacts the Bionic Alpha uses an "ions count system".

So what is this exactly? Is it comparable with radioactivity-detectors?

If so noble metal like gold has to produce some energetic particles that radiates or got transported with the electrostatic field like Mineoro explains.

This is ion-radiation and not ion-particles that move into nearby ground.

Is Mineoro shure that this 24k gold-foil inside of the FG80 chamber attracts gold-ion-radiation only? I doubt, because it is metal and metal would attract all kind of metal-ions.

btw. OKM has written:

But certified from whom?

Anyway - we'll check out the big secret about the Bionic Alpha and 01 - just a matter of time, money and motivation!

The celtic place,maybe is searched,but not so often that all the electromagnetic fields are destroyed,this consist in several treasures hide in the most strange places and circunstances around one large lake surouded by mountains. I´m waiting for some spare time to search there with my LRL´s...

[Funfinder]

I've made it!

I can tell you what:
How to finally built this detector really was a hard nut to crack. But now I'm really happy.

I decided to use the case of a wiresearcher because it is light-weight, has already place for a 9v block plus electronic and a practical handle.

I don't care if the case is out of plastic because I recognised those small electrical charges from that vanish very fast.

Into the front side is melted a female chinch jack so I can check out all kind of different antennas. The 3,5mm stereo jack is on the top side for active speaker or even ear-phones.
Nearby is a small switch that is connected to a variable capacitor. If it's off, the JFETs antenna will got the full power, but sometimes the electrostatic field or signals are too strong so I can put it on and tune it to the best level. The knob of that capacitor is located on the side.

Soon I will update the schematics so you know where it's connected and I really recommend to add such a variable capacitor, too.

On the front side is the battery-case, the ultrabright LED and an on/off switch.

All in all is the size only 15 x 8 x 3cm and with active box 20cm. Of course without the antenna, but because the JFETs gate wire inside of the detector is ca. 5cm there is already a pretty good detection of electrostratic fields or nearby electricity!

Have fun and good luck if you built the same cool device.

PS.: If hold this detector near the plasma-ball the LED starts to shine even if the device is switched off!

[WM6]

Have you already visited www.nuggets.at in Klagenfurt to test the Jeohunter on your own??? For shure not, because you are much too lazy, ignorant, incopetend and incapable to do this!

Wrong conclusion, the only reason is that Jeohunter is only good for vampire hunting in combination with Bionic 01 laser.

[Funfinder]

Hi-Amp Static Receiver

Here are the final and complete schematics:

[WM6]

Far better tha this stollen "by Funfinder" versions is this D. Mohan Kumar version, which can distinkt between negative an positive ions: