Dowsing revisited

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Part 2

The facts described bellow happened around september 1981 in Peoples Republic of China.
There were several outstanding phenomena which serves our signal lines case to be inserted directly or indirectly as an understanding on how they manifest.
Proof that the events happened exactly as it is presented are fully documented, video taped and were operated under exceptionally well controlled conditions (both blind and double-blind). The researchers involved included not only observers from various PRC colleges and medical research institutes, but also representatives from the PRC National Defense Science Commission.


So here are the scientific facts and events that happened. Again, all proved, recorded and documented.


1 - Through the use of psychokinesis, physical p-teleportation of objects and substances was achieved by two gifted children, Ping and Chang and also by some young adults.


2 – The objects teleported from one sealed box in one corner to the other in a room included among others, live insects, inanimate objects, photosensitive papers, machanical watches and even radio microtransmitters.


3 - The high-speed photography/videotaping recorded in one series of experiments showed that test specimens would physically “meld” or blend with the walls of sealed containers; and recorded in a different series of experiments that test specimens would simply disappear from inside the container only
to reappear at another location.






The detailed case of events:

An spectacular series of rigorously controlled (and repeatable!) laboratory experiments occurred in the Peoples Republic of China (PRC). In September 1981, an extraordinary paper was published in the PRC in the journal Ziran Zazhi (transl.: Nature Journal), and this paper was entitled, “Some Experiments on the Transfer of Objects Performed by Unusual Abilities of the Human Body” (Shuhuang et al., 1981). The paper reported that gifted children were able to cause the apparent teleportation of small objects (radio micro-transmitters, photosensitive paper, mechanical watches, horseflies, other insects, etc.) from one location to another (that was meters away) without them ever touching the objects beforehand. The experiments were operated under exceptionally well- controlled conditions (both blind and double-blind). The researchers involved included not only observers from various PRC colleges and medical research institutes, but also representatives from the PRC National Defense Science Commission."

The radio micro-transmitter used as a test specimen in one series of experiments (Shuhuang et al., 1981) transmitted a radio signal to several stationary electronic instruments/receivers, so that the specimen could be tracked and monitored (via signal amplitude and frequency measurements) during the teleportation process; the experimenters discovered that there was large fluctuations in the intensity (in both amplitude and frequency) of the monitored signal to the effect that it would either completely disappear or become extremely weak (to the extent that the monitoring instruments could scarcely detect it) – it was discovered that there was a definite correlation between the change in strength (i.e., radical frequency shifts were observed) of the monitored radio signal and the teleportation of the test specimen, such that the weak or absent signal indicated that the specimen was “nonexistent” (or in an altered physical state) during teleportation (note: the monitored signal amplitude and frequency of the micro-transmitter specimen were stable before and after teleportation);

Recently, a documented report written by Eric Davis and produced by WARPDRIVE METRICS for the military, under request of the Air Force Research Laboratory – Missile and Propulsion Division in Edwards ARB-California, has been unclassified and it's now in public domain.


This report was made first as a scientific analysis and current physics background for teleportation experiment viability and also as an attempt to explain the events happened in China, It also covers several types of teleportation according to the current understanding of physics.


Several hypotesis were formulated for the Chinese TK case. I intend to post parts of it, but I thought to post the final conclusion part first, just to ilustrate how a serious conducted research honestly and fearless act when it runs out of sufficient data publicly recognizing their incapacity of any deeper understanding with only the current science available. And literally states:


“We will need a physics theory of consciousness and psychotronics, along with more experimental
data, in order to test the hypothesis and discover the physical mechanisms that lay behind
the psychotronic manipulation of matter.”

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Part 3

Some selected parts of the report:
(Bolds and Notes by me)


THE PHENOMENON


P-Teleportation is a form of psychokinesis (or PK) similar to telekinesis but generally used to
designate the movement of objects (called apports) through other physical objects or over great distances.
Telekinesis is a form of PK, which describes the movement of stationary objects without the use of any
known physical force. And PK is essentially the direct influence of mind on matter without any known
intermediate physical energy or instrumentation. Rigorously controlled modern scientific laboratory PK,
and related psychic (a.k.a. “psi”, “paranormal” or parapsychology), research has been performed and/or
documented by Rhine (1970), Schmidt (1974), Mitchell (1974a, b, see also the references cited therein),
Swann (1974), Puthoff and Targ (1974, 1975), Hasted et al. (1975), Targ and Puthoff (1977), Nash (1978,
see also the references cited therein), Shigemi et al. (197, Hasted (1979), Houck (1984a), Wolman et al.
(1986, see also the references cited therein), Schmidt (1987), Alexander et al. (1990), Giroldini (1991),
Gissurarson (1992), Radin (1997, see also the references cited therein), Tart et al. (2002), Shoup (2002),
and Alexander (2003).
A well-known theoretical/experimental/operational program directed by H. E. Puthoff, R. Targ, E.
May and I. Swann was conducted at SRI International and the NSA, and sponsored at various times by
the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the Army
Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) over more than two decades; and the program was later
carried on by E. May at SAIC (Alexander, 1980; Puthoff, 1996; Targ, 1996; Schnabel, 1997; Tart et al.,
2002). This was called the Remote Viewing program, and it was a compartmentalized special access
program possessing a variety of codenames during its 22 years of operation. Remote viewing involves
precognition and clairvoyance, and it allows a practitioner to acquire information irrespective of
intervening distance or time. The Remote Viewing program ended in 1994 and President W. J. Clinton
officially declassified it in 1995. The reader should note that the very first U. S. military-intelligence
R&D programs on psi, PK and mind control were conducted by H. K. (Andrija) Puharich, M.D., L.L.D
during his military service at the Army Chemical and Biological Warfare Center at Fort Detrick,
Maryland in the 1940s-50s. Puharich had an interest in clairvoyance and PK, and dabbled in theories for
electronically and pharmaceutically enhancing and synthesizing psychic abilities. While in the Army,
Puharich took part in a variety of parapsychology experiments, and he lectured Army, Air Force and
Navy groups on possibilities for mind warfare. He was a recognized expert in hypnotism and
microelectronics.


IN ACTION


PK phenomenon was also explored in the Remote Viewing program. Col. J. B. Alexander (USA ret.)
credits professional aerospace engineer Jack Houck for “capturing PK phenomenon and transitioning it
into an observable form” (Houck, 1982, 1984a, b; Alexander et al., 1990; Alexander, 2003). During the
past three decades, Houck (along with Alexander) held a number of PK sessions, whereby attendees are
taught the PK induction process, and initiate their own PK events using various metal specimens (forks,
spoons, etc.). Individuals were able to completely bend or contort their metal specimens with no physical
force being applied whatsoever. Numerous government science advisors and senior military officials
took part in and/or witnessed these events, which took place at the Pentagon, at officers’ or scientists’
homes, and at one quarterly INSCOM retreat attended by the commanding general and a group of
colonels and generals commanding INSCOM units around the globe. Spontaneous deformation of the
metal specimens was observed at the PK session conducted during the INSCOM retreat, causing a great
deal of excitement among those present. Other notable trained observers were also present at this session,
and they critically reviewed the events. Psychic Uri Geller (1975) is the original model for demonstrating
PK metal bending.
During a talk that he gave at the U.S. Capitol building, Uri caused a spoon to curve
upward with no force applied, and then the spoon continued to bend after he put it back down and
continued with his talk (Alexander, 1996). Jack Houck continues doing extensive experimental work and
data collection on micro- and macro-PK phenomena. Scientifically controlled PK experiments at the
Princeton University Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory were conducted by Robert Jahn (Dean
Emeritus of the School of Engineering), who reported that repeatedly consistent results in mentally
affecting material substances has been demonstrated in the lab (Jahn and Dunne, 1987). In the 1980s,
Jahn attended a meeting on the PK topic at the Naval Research Laboratory, and warned that foreign
adversaries could exploit micro- or macro-PK to induce U.S. military fighter pilots to lose control of their
aircraft and crash.


Note by me: This PK possibility was extensviely explored in Montauk Air Force Base, later known as The Montauk Project.


URI GELLER
(Randi practically lost all his hair in a 'freaking jealous attack' after this, he,he,he)


'However, most of the credible, scientific reports of p-Teleportation phenomenon and related (controlled)
experiments occurred in the late 20th century (see for example, Alexander et al., 1990; Radin, 1997).
Some of that scientific work involved the investigation of Uri Geller and a variety of other recurrent
spontaneous PK phenomena (Hasted et al., 1975; Puthoff and Targ, 1975; Targ and Puthoff, 1977; Nash,
1978; Wolman et al., 1986).
One of the more interesting examples of controlled experiments with Uri Geller was one in which he
was able to cause a part of a vanadium carbide crystal to vanish (Hasted et al., 1975). The crystal was
encapsulated so it could not be touched, and it was placed in such a way that it could not be switched with
another crystal by sleight of hand.'

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Part 4

EXPERIMENTS IN CHINA


All of the Chinese experiments reported using gifted children and young adults, who possessed well-known extraordinary PK ability, to cause the teleportation of the various test specimens. In all the experimental cases that were reported, the test specimens that were teleported were completely unaltered or unchanged from their initial state, even the insects were unaffected by being teleported. The experiments were well controlled, scientifically recorded, and the experimental results were always repeatable.
The Chinese papers are all extremely interesting and very well written, and they show photographs
and schematic diagrams of the various experimental setups. The experimental protocols were explained
in lengthy detail, and thorough data and statistical analysis were presented in the results. The combined
results from the several Chinese experiments showed that:


�� different research groups designed different experimental protocols, used different gifted
psychics, used different sealed containers, and used different test specimens (live insects, bulk
inanimate objects, and even radio micro-transmitters were used to track the location of the
specimens) that were to be teleported;


�� the time required for the teleportation of test specimens through various barriers was anywhere
from a fraction of a second to several minutes, and this was not dependent on the test specimen
that was used, the sealed container that was used (or its barrier thickness), which experimental
protocol was used, or which psychic was being used.


�� the high-speed photography/videotaping recorded in one series of experiments that test specimens
would physically “meld” or blend with the walls of sealed containers; and recorded in a different
series of experiments that test specimens would simply disappear from inside the container only
to reappear at another location (after seconds to several minutes of time transpired), such that the
test specimen did not actually undergo total material disintegration/reintegration during
teleportation – this data is important, because without the aid of electronic monitoring
instruments, the average person’s sensory organs and usual methods of detection are temporarily
unable to perceive the test specimen’s (ambiguous) existence during the teleportation process;


�� the radio micro-transmitter used as a test specimen in one series of experiments (Shuhuang et al.,
1981) transmitted a radio signal to several stationary electronic instruments/receivers, so that the
specimen could be tracked and monitored (via signal amplitude and frequency measurements)
during the teleportation process; the experimenters discovered that there was large fluctuations in
the intensity (in both amplitude and frequency) of the monitored signal to the effect that it would
either completely disappear or become extremely weak (to the extent that the monitoring
instruments could scarcely detect it) – it was discovered that there was a definite correlation
between the change in strength (i.e., radical frequency shifts were observed) of the monitored
radio signal and the teleportation of the test specimen, such that the weak or absent signal
indicated that the specimen was “nonexistent” (or in an altered physical state) during teleportation
(note: the monitored signal amplitude and frequency of the micro-transmitter specimen were
stable before and after teleportation);


�� before and after “passing through the container wall/barrier”, the test specimen and the
container’s wall/barrier are both complete solid objects;


�� the gifted psychics were never allowed to see (they were blindfolded in many experiments) or
touch each of the test specimens or the sealed containers before and after experiments were
conducted, and only the experimenters touched the specimens and containers (using both blind
and double-blind protocols);


�� the experimental results were all repeatable


�� the conditions for fraud and sleight of hand were totally eliminated, and multiple independent
outside witnesses (technical and military-intelligence experts) were present at all times to ensure
total fidelity of the experiments
RADIO TRANSMITTER


The experimental radio micro-transmitter and high-speed photography/videotaping data offer an
important clue on what the teleportation mechanism is, and this will be discussed further.
The Chinese were unable to offer any significant physics hypothesis that could explain their results.
Some researchers stated that it is necessary to invoke a new physics, which somehow unifies the human consciousness (i.e., physics of consciousness) with quantum and spacetime physics, in order to
understand p-Teleportation and related PK phenomena. The researchers were amazed by their repeated results, and were barely able to fathom the altered “state of being” that test specimens underwent during teleportation.

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Final

WHAT THE RUSSIANS ALREADY KNEW


Psychotronics is the general term that was used in the former Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact countries to
categorize many psychic phenomena undergoing scientific research. The conclusions that were reached
in the DIA reports are that within the category of psychotronics, the Soviets identified two discrete skills
(LaMothe, 1972):


�� bioenergetics: those phenomena associated with the production of objectively detectable effects
such as psychokinesis, telekinesis, levitation effects, transformations of energy, i.e. the altering or
affecting of matter


�� bioinformation: those phenomena associated with the obtaining of information through means
other than the normal sensory channels (i.e., ESP), such as telepathy, precognition, and clairvoyance, i.e., using the mind to tap into the thoughts of others or to acquire present or future
information about objective events in the world


Note: Bioenergetics applied Bioinformation...obtaining information through means other than normal sensory channels..
Hey dowsers, does it sound familiar?


Here is the link to the 'Teleportation Physics Study' complete report.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf










THE EXPLANATION


These phenomena involve using the mind and/or some “field” of the body to affect other minds and
inanimate objects irrespective of intervening distance or elapsed time, and without engaging any
conventional tools. Bioenergetics and bioinformation are two classifications that form a single branch of
science the Soviets preferred to call biocommunications. Soviet biocommunications research is primarily
concerned with exploring the existence of a definite group of natural phenomena controlled by laws that
are not based on any known (energetic) influence. The types of biocommunication (a.k.a. psychotronics)
phenomena includes special sensory biophysical activities, brain and mind control, telepathic
communications or bioinformation transceiving, bioluminescent and bioenergetic emissions, and the
effects of altered states of consciousness on the human psyche. Psychotronics and remote viewing
provide capabilities that have obvious intelligence applications. The Soviets and their Warsaw Pact allies
invested millions of dollars in psychotronics R&D because they understood this, and saw the potential
payoff for military and intelligence applications.


USA RESPONDS


The U.S. response to Soviet psychotronics R&D programs was the Remote Viewing program. In
addition, the U.S. Army began the JEDI Project in 1983, which sought to increase human potential using
teachable models of behavioral/physical excellent by unconventional means (Alexander et al., 1990). The
JEDI Project was essentially a human-performance modeling experiment based on neuro-linguistic
programming (NLP) skills, whereby advanced influence technologies to model excellence in human
performance was used. The program ran under the auspices of the Army INSCOM and the
Organizational Effectiveness School, and was sponsored by a U.S. government interagency task force.
Finally, it should be pointed out that the program had successfully trained several hundred people,
including members of Congress (such as Al Gore, Jr. and Tom Downey), before being terminated.


ADVICE TO SKEPTICS
(humm.. again?)


There is a wealth of factual scientific research data from around the world attesting to the physical
reality of p-Teleportation and related anomalous psi phenomena (Mitchell, 1974b; Targ and Puthoff,
1977; Nash, 1978; Radin, 1997; Tart et al., 2002). The skeptical reader should not be so quick to dismiss
the subject matter in this chapter, because one must remain open-minded about this subject and consider
p-Teleportation as worthy of further scientific exploration. The psychotronics topic is controversial
within the western scientific community. The debate among scientists and scientific philosophers is
highly charged at times, and becomes acrimonious to the point where reputable skeptical scientists cease
being impartial by refusing to examine the experimental data or theories, and they prefer to bypass
rational discourse by engaging in ad hominem attacks and irrational “armchair” arguments.
P-Teleportation and related phenomena are truly anomalous, and they challenge accepted modern
scientific paradigm.


Note: Hey, think our sketpthics here are better than theirs, he,he?


CONCLUSIONS


Proposition 1 and Fact 2:
It has been proposed that our space actually possesses a slight fourdimensional
hyperthickness, so that the ultimate components of our nervous system are actually
higher dimensional, thus enabling the human mind/brain to imagine four-dimensional space
(Hinton, 1888, 1904; Rucker, 1977). If this is the case, then the three-dimensional nets of
neurons that code thoughts in our brain may form four-dimensional patterns to achieve fourdimensional
thought. The “bulk” space in 3-brane theory (see Section 4.1), and experimental
data from the Remote Viewing program (see Section 5.1), provide support for this concept. Can
we see into the 4th dimension and have four-dimensional thoughts? Yes, we can. Proof (see,
Rucker, 1977, 1984): If you look at a Necker cube for a while, it spontaneously turns into its
mirror image and back again. If you watch it do this often enough, the twinkling sort of motion
from one state to the other begins to seem like a continuous motion. But this motion can only be
continuous if it is a rotation in four-dimensional space. The mathematician August F. Möbius
discovered in 1827 that it is in fact possible to turn a three-dimensional solid object into its mirror
image by an appropriate rotation through four-dimensional space (a.k.a. hyperspace rotation).
Thus, it is actually possible for our minds to perform such a rotation. Therefore, we can actually
produce four-dimensional phenomenon in our minds, so our consciousness is four-dimensional.
Rucker (1984) shows another dramatic example of being able to see into the 4th dimension via a
“Neck-A-Cube.”


�� Fact 3: Another property of higher dimensional geometry (Reichenbach, 1957; Rucker, 1977,
1984) is that one can move through solid three-dimensional obstacles without penetrating them
by passing in the direction of the 4th (spatial) dimension. The 4th dimension is perpendicular to all
of our normal three-dimensional space directions, and so our three-dimensional enclosures have
no walls against this direction.


�� Conclusion and Hypothesis: Therefore, the results of the Chinese p-Teleportation experiments
can simply be explained as a human consciousness phenomenon that somehow acts to move or
rotate test specimens through a 4th spatial dimension, so that the specimens are able to penetrate
the solid walls/barriers of their containers without physically breaching them. No real
dematerialization/rematerialization of the specimens takes place. The intensity fluctuations of the
radio micro-transmitter specimen’s electromagnetic signal, and the apparent blending of the other
specimens with the walls of their containers, represent the passage of the specimens through a 4th
spatial dimension. During teleportation the radio signals emitted by the micro-transmitter became
weak/non-existent and fluctuated, because they were spreading out into the 4th dimension and
became undetectable in our three-dimensional space. The weak signals that were (“barely”)
detected represent the leakage of a portion of the radio signal back into our three-dimensional
space from the 4th dimension during teleportation. The observed blending of the other specimens
with the walls of their containers is how the movement/rotation of the specimens through the 4th
dimension was visually interpreted by the mind (along the lines of the Necker cube or Neck-ACube
examples).


Note by me: Although impecable, allow me to disagree with some of the conclusions made by Eric in his report, one being that I understand that the 4th dimension is not 'linked' to the other first three we exist materially speaking.. It is actually attached to the next two as new triad of dimensions as I believe they so behave and coexist in the space time fabric.






Here is the link to the 'Teleportation Physics Study' complete report.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf






I urge everyone here to read the complete report, so you will get a strong basis to the p-Telerportation part. Altough it's not my intention to remain here discussing the mathematical and physical aspects of the report, the Rieman Flat, Casimir Effect and the quantum teleportation sections are of relatively easy and essential reading.


DOWSING SIGNAL LINES


At this point, the events and the Report to the Air Force itself should offer a more substantial basis to understand about how signal lines manifest specifically in dowsing and MFD cases.


I think it was Art who recently posted a link text of a very fine intodutory scientific evidence on the signal lines when it mentions standing waves.
A signal line is of simple understanding. Every transmitting and receiving RF apparatus produce a signal line when in tune and phase correlated for instance. You have a signal line estabilished in ARDF when you are fox hunting.
What skeptics still could not understand and accept was that an extremely diminute signal and charges can also produce a magnetic resonance build up to the point of strong standing waves.
The experiments in China proved that the russians were right from the start when they thoroughly researched 'bioenergetics' and 'bioinformation' and the broadcasting of signals derived from vibrational brain cells. What we saw was the notable gift of those children in manipulating waves in the spacetime fabric to broadcast transmissions by a still unkown mechanism allowing those objects to teleport, much like a TV remote control switiching channels.


A RF produced signal line be tracked? Certainly. The given example of fox hunting used in ARDF uses them to find the transmitter.


Can a dowsing style signal line be easily measured and monitored through an ordinary equipment? No.


Could the children's mental emanations be measured and monitored by ordinary equipment? No.


But do we have any doubt that they produced the phenomena by broadcasting wave patterns? No either.


Nevertheless, I believe that in the case of signal lines related to dowsing and MFD LRLs, a hyper sensitive receiver and a fine spectrometer with high order fast fourier transformations might just work..
But heck, who cares about that, if a simple pair of dowsing rods are the perfect tool to demonstrate the magnetic 'amomalies'?


As I final input, it never made any sense the ridicule arguings among skeptics and LRL users in this forum. Be this either caused by envy, unability of using a LRL, ignorance on the scientific principles or personal agendas tied to other interests, I hope I have contributed to start some kind of renovation in the way skeptics treat LRL users and may high level posts and respect start to proliferate.


Regards.

[WM6]

George, thanks for the link. The Remote Viewing Project by the US Military is cited in Eric's report and was another front aimed to study also the events ocured in China.

I have no info about the whereabouts of the videos made at that time. Probably is in China's pocession only or maybe the Military also have them.

Scam projects, successful, if even exist (in reality not only in web promotional ticks) only in the grapple of government funding.

All without real results, especially without scientifically proven results, only simplified free conclusions and foggy hypothesis.

Army is not always a criterion for scientific approach. For example in Iraqi army expensive dowsing rods has been "very successfully" used in counter-terrorism activities.

[Qiaozhi]

What a twisted and convoluted set of ideas!

Proof that the events happened exactly as it is presented are fully documented, video taped and were operated under exceptionally well controlled conditions (both blind and double-blind).

So here are the scientific facts and events that happened. Again, all proved, recorded and documented.

So you continually claim ... BUT, then earlier you stated:

I have no info about the whereabouts of the videos made at that time. Probably is in China's pocession only or maybe the Military also have them.

In other words, the so-called proof has conveniently vanished. No doubt it was teleported by a group of Chinese children to an inter-dimensional space somewhere in LRL land.

By the way, this event is claimed to have occurred sometime in 1981. That's 29 years ago. Is this the best you have to offer?

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As I said, AGAINST FACTS, THERE IS NO REFUTATION.

You do not have the stature to even start to discuss these matters. Maybe only to remain the 'administrator' of this thing here.

Sorry, If I was to answer your BS question above, I would be leveling myself to you.
This I will not do.

[Mike(Mont)]

You know the whole thing about feeling skin currents certainly correlates with some studies with GSR meters. It wouldn't take much to set up a data logger and grid an area by taking a weighted average of the GSR at each step (vs. a snapshot). Sharp responses get more weight. In the end it's still just a tool.

[Qiaozhi]

As I said, AGAINST FACTS, THERE IS NO REFUTATION.

What FACTS are you referring to? There is no evidence to support the claims ... having been conveniently lost.

One DIA report noted that there was an East versus West science debate in the Soviet literature over whether paranormal phenomenon and related experimental data was real or even scientifically sound in comparison to western scientific practice and philosophy.

One thing you have to remember is the existence of the Cold War during the time such experiments were being carried out. Much of the information "leaked out" during this time was purely for propaganda.

The psychotronics topic is controversial within the western scientific community. The debate among scientists and scientific philosophers is highly charged at times, and becomes acrimonious to the point where reputable skeptical scientists cease being impartial by refusing to examine the experimental data or theories, and they prefer to bypass rational discourse by engaging in ad hominem attacks and irrational “armchair” arguments.

We can all be guilty of this, including the believers.

P-Teleportation, if verified, would represent a phenomenon that could offer potential high-payoff military, intelligence and commercial applications.

Note the term "if verified". It is clear that the Teleport document, which is being presented here as confirmation of the existence of teleportation, does not actually acknowledge its existence. It still needs to be verified.

Also, Uri Geller is mentioned several times in the literature, even to the extent that some of his physokinetic trickery is implied as being confirmed. I have nothing against Uri. In fact I find his presentations very interesting and entertaining. So good luck to him. He's made a decent living out of fooling people, and one day when he's much older he may even admit to being a fraud. That would be very amusing, and may even make him some more money.

So why continue testing PK phenomenon?
Read the recommendation section and notice the references to continuous funding.

[WM6]

As I said, AGAINST FACTS, THERE IS NO REFUTATION.

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I deeply believe that you are believer, so you do not need to convince me by such tale story.

The only FACT is, that you use metal detector, if you wish to find something. THERE IS NO REFUTATION.

[J_Player]

Ummm... That's real cool stuff about teleportation, and would be real useful about 20 years ago when lots of people were playing Dungeons and Dragons...
But what about the real world right now?
I mean, Mike (Mont) wuz tryin to 'splain sumthin' about dowsing....

Obviously there is much misunderstanding concerning dowsing. Let's face it, the typical beginner is going to stare at the pendulum (or rod) until they are hypnotized then the wishful thinking takes over while all the time the person is swaying around like a drunk and believing the rod is pulling them in a certain direction.

Sounds exagerated but it isn't. You gotta emotionally detach yourself from the search. I mean for most beginners the rod is the elephant in the room and it draws all of the person's attention. It might sound stupid, but you are not searching for the rod. And besides, when you focus all your vision (and attention) on an object you are left side brain dominant. That's something a beginner has to overcome. Probably heard about using a soft focus and for me, I like to direct this to a spot a couple inches past the tip of the rod and direct this thought energy outwards like a search light/beam. This is when I use the "Mind's Eye" thing. I describe it as "Seeing with the subconscious" which is probably a misnomer as everything comes through there first. But if you think of the human body as a transceiver there is a circuit--your energy going out and then you try to feel the effects on the target field. People talk about field pressure, field membrane, etc. that surrounds a target. I have described the process as the search beam (thought energy) is an extension of the rod and I use it sort of like a truckdriver uses a tire iron to thump the tires to check for air pressure only we're dealing with field pressure here. And in case you didn't realize, the field pressure is not going to feel real strong for a beginner. Of course knowing how to use the rod as an extension of yourself is really going to improve your sensitivity. Try rubbing the palms of your hands flat together for 60 seconds. Now slowly move your hands closer together (don't touch together) and try to feel the charge (field pressure)there. It takes time for your hands to wake up and feel the subtle energies. I describe it as a flickering like when a neon light is starting up. I have also heard to hold your opposite hand down a foot lower so you get a bit more voltage to work with.

If you continue to practice, one day things will gel. And once you learn what it feels like then you know what to look for next time.

A bit more on the left brain obstacle. Your vision can input large amounts of info to your brain, up to 80% of sensory data. So this is the main one your need to filter out, thus the soft focus, etc. But even once you have learned to do this, you still need to learn to halt the mental processes which I might refer to as prejudices we all have. Some people really do think they are so special that they don't even need to address this issue.

It becomes obvious that Mike is talking about traveling into a another dimension, A dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. We can see this is his meaning when we read his words "you gotta emotionally detach yourself from the search", and "This is when I use the 'Mind's Eye' thing. I describe it as 'Seeing with the subconscious'". If you can feel the charge enter your hands and feel the sensation of "the flickering of a neon light", I suppose you have arrived at the threshold of dowsing.

After carefully reading Mike(Mont)'s description of how dowsing works, I recall an experience from years past, when a lady told me she was meditating with her quartz crystal. I remember her sitting on a sofa with the quartz crystal hanging from a chain in a position about 1 meter in front of her eyes. She would stare at this crystal for hours at a time in order to invoke inner healing that was not possible from the medical world, or from contemporary psychiatry. Actually she had several crystals which she would stare at on different occasions, and used for different purposes. But this particular quartz crystal was her favorite for "inner healing".

So what does this have to do with dowsing?
I guess nothing. Except what Mike(Mont) wrote above describes the image I saw exactly: "the typical beginner is going to stare at the pendulum (or rod) until they are hypnotized then the wishful thinking takes over while all the time the person is swaying around like a drunk and believing the rod is pulling them in a certain direction".

This is exactly what I observed this lady doing with the quartz crystal hanging in front of her. It was as if she was in a battle of wits against the crystal, and the crystal, with its nerves of quarts was successful in hypnotizing her into a drunken stupor for hours. As I recall, after several years of practice, this lady never did find the inner recovery that she sought from the healing powers of her crystal. As an observer, I decided that crystals and pendulums would probably not be a productive pastime for me.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

It reminds me of ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

[Mike(Mont)]

I don't "go somewhere", just the opposite. I filter out the BS around me so my attention is NOT somewhere else. This might sound easy to do, but it most likely is the most difficult part of learning. People don't even recognize they are talking themself out of it when they think thoughts like "It can't be over there." or "It must be over here." When you start worrying about how far you are from random chance, or if someone is trancing out (I sure don't) well that's just so blatantly idiotic I almost feel sorry for the bunch. Dowsing is finding the truth and it's a whole lot closer to reality than any science book. Some people just cannot comprehend this.

[Qiaozhi]

Dowsing is finding the truth and it's a whole lot closer to reality than any science book. Some people just cannot comprehend this.

That's so funny.

[J_Player]

...Dowsing is finding the truth and it's a whole lot closer to reality than any science book. Some people just cannot comprehend this.

I can comprehend it as an idea. But not as a reality.
If it was reality, then at least one dowser would be able to demonstrate it working in a real test where they have to really find something while other people are watching them find it.

Best wishes,
J_P