Dowsing revisited

[Mike(Mont)]

I beg to differ with you (closer to violently disagree LOL) on the issue of hypnosis vs. meditation. What I have read does not agree with your analysis. I just don't believe you did your homework on this one.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI MIKE: I certainly expect you and others to disagree with me on many things, as I will with you. As for our 'initial disagrement', just what do you have in mind that conflicts with my post?

As for research, yes, I believe that I have done extensive investigation on both, shall we say some years, starting in Premed in the 50's.

Where do you see the greatest difference?


Don Jose de La Mancha.

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Good morning Rudy: Frankly, I sincerely doubt that he is interested in physical treasures as such, sooooo..

Don Jose de la Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist">.

[g-sani]

Come on Hung I would like to know as well about that friend
of yours amazing meeting whith Sai Baba.
If it is XXX for the forum then please e-mail as well.
Regards
g-sani

[Mike(Mont)]

I can certainly see how some people can (figuratively speaking) squat, grunt, and form a protective shell around themself. I believe some people who work in the electronics field can develop a natural block for electrical fields. It's the "chip on their shoulder".

[Rudy]

I sincerely doubt that he is interested in physical treasures as such, sooooo..

I accept the fact you doubt his interest in physical treasures. As for me, I guess I've seen too many tele evangelists.
He doesn't exactly live in a shanty devoid of material well being.




Nor do I believe that he is the reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi, nor that he will reincarnate as Prema Sai Baba.

However, I do admire what he has done for the poor.

Anyway, I don't see the connection with dowsing or LRLs.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI Rudy: I agree he doesn't live in a shanty, rather reminds me of the POPE, and probably for the same reason.

As for -->Nor do I believe that he is the reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi, nor that he will reincarnate as Prema Sai Baba.
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You and I probably will never know.
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Anyway, I don't see the connection with dowsing or LRLs
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It wasn't intended to have one, just a remark to Hung. But I will say that since I became interested in him, he has somehow played an important part in my life, whether I asked for it or not.

There is a long story here which ties in with the discovery of Tayopa. But, because of the mood of the other posters, I wil not go into it. But it was / is fascinating in the many ways he made his presence and help known.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[Rudy]

As for -->Nor do I believe that he is the reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi, nor that he will reincarnate as Prema Sai Baba.
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You and I probably will never know.

Sorry but reincarnation runs counter to my strong beliefs in Frisbeetarianism.

[hung]

Sorry but reincarnation runs counter to my strong beliefs in Frisbeetarianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6yl75kfhqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1843VxTLjo

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

[J_Player]

Sorry but reincarnation runs counter to my strong beliefs in Frisbeetarianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6yl75kfhqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1843VxTLjo

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

This point of view is debatable, and we are only seeing one side of the debate.
Let's look at the opposing point of view before we decide who is blind....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lczzrSdPZk

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

As you have proved to the rest of us many times by your off-topic nonsense postings.

Why do you believe reincarnation has anything to do with dowsing or LRLs? Please elucidate us on the mysteries of your latest theory. I personally cannot wait ...

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Ladies & Gentlemen: I have mixed emotions and thoughts on this. Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed according to present science, and since we are composed of pure energy ??????

The basic question would be if so, is in what form?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[udor]

Hi everyone.

I used to think Dowsing was a scam, that is until I gave it a go myself.

I'm an engineer and was out on site once, and one of the supervisors was out finding underground services with dowsing rods. I thought he was a crack pot, until I gave it a go, and it actually worked!

I havent been much interested in it until today out of boredom I'd see what happend with a few tests and manged to scare the hell out of myself.

I figured I'd test If could chose what to look for. Here's the story. First I checked the ground was 'clear' with two bit of coat hanger wire, then put down a piece of metal, thought to myself 'metal', and guess what, the rods closed in when I walked over the metal. Then I said 'dont find metal' and the rods did not close.

Being an engineer I thought 'it's probably my mind causing my muscles to move in when im over the metal'. So to test this I got the wife to randomy place the coin on the gorund and I wore a blind fold. Sure enough I found the coin every time. She even randomy didnt place it on the ground at all, and guess what, when she didnt place it, I didnt find it, no reaction.

Scared the hell outta me, I'm not too keen to try it again. Thanks for listening.

[J_Player]

Hi everyone.

I used to think Dowsing was a scam, that is until I gave it a go myself.

I'm an engineer and was out on site once, and one of the supervisors was out finding underground services with dowsing rods. I thought he was a crack pot, until I gave it a go, and it actually worked!

I havent been much interested in it until today out of boredom I'd see what happend with a few tests and manged to scare the hell out of myself.

I figured I'd test If could chose what to look for. Here's the story. First I checked the ground was 'clear' with two bit of coat hanger wire, then put down a piece of metal, thought to myself 'metal', and guess what, the rods closed in when I walked over the metal. Then I said 'dont find metal' and the rods did not close.

Being an engineer I thought 'it's probably my mind causing my muscles to move in when im over the metal'. So to test this I got the wife to randomy place the coin on the gorund and I wore a blind fold. Sure enough I found the coin every time. She even randomy didnt place it on the ground at all, and guess what, when she didnt place it, I didnt find it, no reaction.

Scared the hell outta me, I'm not too keen to try it again. Thanks for listening.

Hi udor,

That sounds interesting.
Are you ready to take Randi's test to win a million dollars now?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Dave J.]

Udor, I've done more or less the same.

That having been said, I would recommend not getting involved in trying to "prove you can dowse". (I'm talking blinded dowsing here, successfully locating objects the location of which you have no prior knowledge). Attempts to "prove that one can dowse" end in failure.

The simplest explanation is that the mindset of trying to prove something is not the mindset of trying to find something, and so under "prove it" conditions whatever dowsing ability you might have, isn't going to be active under those conditions.

There are other more esoteric theories as to why blinded dowsing fails under test conditions, but they're controversial and have no proof. At least the "wrong mindset" theory is a good fit with our understanding of ideomotor response.

--Dave J.