H3Tec discussion

[Theseus]

Thanks Dave.
A great first post on Geotech!

Let me second that "thumbs up"!!!

Pay no attention to the Hung, he will always try and stifle the truth, but his promise to debunker is an empty one. He is one of, and defends the scammers you are talking about, so naturally he is hurt by the truth in your posting. Thanks for putting it on here.

[Dave J.]

Thanks, Hung!

for reposting the entire essay! I'm flattered.

--Dave J.

[Saturna]

Some points lack scientific understanding, other points use'hearsay' non scientific or factual analysis as a lame support and the rest is simply pure BS.

Well, we certainly don't want those on an LRL/Dowsing forum.

[Carl-NC]

Art, I "pruned" your off-topic rants, and other people's replies. If you want to discuss H3Tec, then discuss H3Tec! If you don't want to discuss H3Tec, then please post your rants in the RS forum, or go back to TNet.

[Rudy]

"Read the Advertisement"

Outstanding!!!

Do we have a category for best LRL post?

[Theseus]

Art, I "pruned" your off-topic rants, and other people's replies. If you want to discuss H3Tec, then discuss H3Tec! If you don't want to discuss H3Tec, then please post your rants in the RS forum, or go back to TNet.

Thanks for the clean-up on Aisle #6. On Tnet he gets away with posting that kind of crap all the time; which he does just so he has the last posting in a thread. Hopefully Tnet will be back up sometime today. Feel free to delete this, as well.

[J_Player]

Art, I "pruned" your off-topic rants, and other people's replies. If you want to discuss H3Tec, then discuss H3Tec! If you don't want to discuss H3Tec, then please post your rants in the RS forum, or go back to TNet.

Thanks Carl!
Now back to H3Tec news and developments.

It seems like it's H3Tec's turn... Will we see more email demands and threats?
Or will we see reports that their attorney is making demands next?


Dave J. -- Excellent article about the H3Tec.
Any casual reader can come here and read your post to get a clear idea of what this device is.
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=197


Best wishes,
J_P

[Art3811]

Art, I "pruned" your off-topic rants, and other people's replies. If you want to discuss H3Tec, then discuss H3Tec! If you don't want to discuss H3Tec, then please post your rants in the RS forum, or go back to TNet.

Thank you Carl for telling me that you and your people object about discussions’ about the H3Tec…Could you explain to Why you consider the H3Tec to be just a “Dowsing Rod? That is your claim so I think the first step in the any discuss should be that Dowsing is real…Art

[Qiaozhi]

If we ignore the fact that your post is barely intelligible, let's try to address your comments.

Thank you Carl for telling me that you and your people object about discussions’ about the H3Tec…

There is no objection to anyone discussing the H3Tec device. In fact, this is the precise reason for this thread. Are you confused about something?

Could you explain to Why you consider the H3Tec to be just a “Dowsing Rod?

Look at the image posted below. There are no IFs or BUTs, this is a dowsing rod. It has a swinging arm that is free to move. The arm is not actuated by the electronic circuitry, but operates completely independently.

That is your claim so I think the first step in the any discuss should be that Dowsing is real…Art

This doesn't even make sense. Why would the first step need to be a declaration that dowsing is real? The dowsing effect is well known to be a trick of the mind.

Do you think this plastic gadget looks like something that costs $10,000?

[Art3811]

This doesn't even make sense. Why would the first step need to be a declaration that dowsing is real? The dowsing effect is well known to be a trick of the mind.

You are the ones that are saying that the H3Tec is a Dowsing Rod…Do you know anything about Dowsing except for the fact that you can not Dowse? Can you tell us why you claim that all LRL’s are just Dowsing rod? How come that Millions of Dowsers do not believe that it is a trick of the mind? How come if Dowsing is a trick of the mind most Dowsers are successful Treasure Hunters? Just some more questions for you to duck and dodge…Art

[Rudy]

Thank you Carl for telling me that you and your people object about discussions’ about the H3Tec…Could you explain to Why you consider the H3Tec to be just a “Dowsing Rod? That is your claim so I think the first step in the any discuss should be that Dowsing is real…Art

Let me give you my synopsis. I posted a few days ago my take on the patent, and said it was wrong on so many levels, but I didn't really address them in any detail.

The claim is that the LRL is based on technology that stimulates and then senses the target, using Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR). I am no expert in NMR as my field is E.E., but I know enough to know that to satisfactorily perform NMR of a substance, a magnetic field substantially higher than that of the earth's is required. 0.5 Gauss (typical earth's field) is way too small. You really want to subject the sample to a magnetic field of at least 1 Tesla, which works out to 10000 Gauss. That is unless of course you can find a way to cool the target to near absolute Zero temperature, where the atomic vibrations are reduced to a level where a much lower magnetic field is able to force alignment of the magnetic moment of the target's atoms with the applied magnetic field. Since the patent doesn't address how to cool the remote target to cryogenic temperatures, we can safely infer that it is not done.

Why would you want to do this? Quite simply because to detect Magnetic Resonance, you need to have the magnetic moment of the atoms in the target aligned in the direction of the applied magnetic field, or in the anti-parallel direction. Gold, not being ferromagnetic will not spontaneously align by itself and a large field is required to overcome thermally induced randomness in the magnetic moments of the atoms in the target. The higher the field, the larger the signal obtained and the more sharply defined is the resonance.

Next, one needs to irradiate the target with RF energy of the proper frequency. As stated in the patent, the right frequency is a function of the element, its temperature and the magnetic field strength it is subjected to, although I am not sure the equation shown is correct. The RF energy density needs to be significantly large to cause a reasonable number of atoms to flip to the higher energy (anti-parallel) state, followed by quickly turning off the RF source and then listening to the signal radiated by the excited atoms as they flip back to their low energy state. OP amps, and band-pass filters are not the kind of electronics that will achieve those results. Neither is the "antenna" (aka dowsing rod) used. An end fed antenna has to be of the right length relative to the RF frequency required to irradiate the sample and as the patent stated, the frequencies necessary to detect different atomic targets is quite broad, going from KHz to GHz. But, above all, the shape of the radiated field is such that it will be a minimum in the direction of the pointed end. Note that this is precisely the position the antenna (aka dowsing rod) will assume to indicate the direction of the sample. Needless to say, the received signal strength will never, under any circumstances, be large enough to create the torque necessary to rotate the antenna. Another reason why the instrument doesn't work when affixed to a bench.

So, to summarize: We are using the wrong electrical circuitry to perform NMR; the device uses a very inefficient RF radiator to stimulate the target; the pointy radiator (aka dowsing rod) aligns itself in a trajectory that minimizes the stimulated signal and the received signal simultaneously while the marketing BS claims an incredible detection range.

The device will not point to any target unless it is hand held. Last I read up on NMR, the ideomotor effect was not a requirement for successful NMR sample detection.

Last but not least, the use of an electrical brush and spring at the bottom of the dowsing rod does increase friction in the system, requiring a stronger ideomotor effect from the user to cause the instrument to point to something. You can think of this as a loss of dowsing sensitivity, or looking at it positively, as lowering the incidence of false positives.

[Art3811]

Hey Rudy…If your theories are right could you explain to the rest of us how come these devices are so good at locating gold and other minerals?....Art

[WM6]

Hey Rudy…If your theories are right could you explain to the rest of us how come these devices are so good at locating gold and other minerals?....Art

Because you ever use metal detector during your dowsing session. Just because of use metal detector.

[Carl-NC]

Could you explain to Why you consider the H3Tec to be just a “Dowsing Rod? That is your claim so I think the first step in the any discuss should be that Dowsing is real…Art

Whether or not dowsing is "real" has no bearing on whether or not something is a dowsing rod. Even if I don't believe a Ouija board works, I can still look at one and say, "That's a Ouija board."

[Fred]

How come if Dowsing is a trick of the mind most Dowsers are successful Treasure Hunters? Just some more questions for you to duck and dodge…Art

Just because they are AS sucesfull as if they were carefully looking around, choosing a place and dig. They could also toss a coin, but then their experience in knowing where previous recovery were more sucesfull would not work.

Hey Rudy…If your theories are right could you explain to the rest of us how come these devices are so good at locating gold and other minerals?....Art

They are not, or it would have been proved long ago.