Mineoro FG79-Happy new Year

[Qiaozhi]

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )

The only real electronics in there is the VLF/everything receiver that will pick up some radio signal (depending of your location, time of the day etc), and will look like "signal lines"... If you are really lucky you may even find that metallic objects may have some effect on this radio signals.

But that will never be a RELIABLE method to detect buried metal.
Also, the way the thing is build it will pick up all kinds of noise and will beep randomly, then selective memory and some target (ie P.M.) advertising will do the rest.

At this price it is worth the trouble.

You are dign of pity.
So I will do my first charity of the year, offering you the opportunity of your life.
Here... It's all yours. FOR FREE.

http://www.electronicstheory.com/COURSES/ELECTRONICS/e101-1.htm

You cannot imagine how rewarding it is to help another soul to reach the light.

Fred - it appears that Hung is asking you to read the information in the link, and then let him know what it means.
Sad really ...

Hung - may your delusions continue during 2011 and beyond. At least it gives us all some cause for amusement.

[hung]

Ozzy, you are a true laughing show when trying to explain dowsing, but balloneys apart and talking about circuit analysis...

What is this?
Let's hear the ' geoskepthic engineers' speak.

[minime]

Ozzy, you are a true laughing show when trying to explain dowsing, but balloneys apart and talking about circuit analysis...

What is this?
Let's hear the ' geoskepthic engineers' speak.

I know it! I know about it! Can I please reply?

It;s the NEW MINEORO's front end !!! ???
In the left is the Ion chamber 3 contacts! The polarisation of the chamber is now more active as it uses a newer level of voltage, that regarding the positive supplied power on the machine it is down by 9V! The transistor circuit has been replaced with an OpAmp amplifier based on the high tech brand new technological miracle of the 741 !!! The following circuit uses some clipping diodes to ensure the correct leveled window that the unit will act! The S1 DPDT switch it;s the improved substitute circuit of the AT89C2051 uCU used on the older units!
The circuit uses now the manpower of its specific user, as it permits him to tune the chanching of the S1 at his body, mind resonanse!
The Led connected at the secondary switch of the S1 SPDT is for visual synchronization in case that the user is death!
Thank for revealing us such a hich tech design... Only the Mine or O could possible have invent that!
It;s the perfect upgrade circuit for the newer generation LRL's
Again... respect!

[Qiaozhi]

Ozzy, you are a true laughing show when trying to explain dowsing, but balloneys apart and talking about circuit analysis...

What is this?
Let's hear the ' geoskepthic engineers' speak.

As I said before ... "May your delusions continue".

Very high-tech. I'm impressed.

[hung]

Very high-tech. I'm impressed.

You shouldn't.
Wrong answer.
Not high tech. Actually low tech and very simple. Yet effective and millions were sold.

Aren't you one of the 'eyeballers' here who can spot a circuit schematics and tell their 'lifestory'?

Try again. What is this?

[J_Player]

Hi J_Player

I don't know the AT89C2051 , I know very well the PIC 16F... series. Some PICs have 2 comparators and an internal programmable reference voltage, if it's the same for
the AT89C2051 it's possible that the processor controls if the voltage is out of a window voltage. Of course 2 externals comparator do the same job.

Best Regards

Hi FrancoItaly,
The AT89C2051 also has two internal comparators, one at each of the analogue inputs. The comparator uses bit 6 of port 3 (P3.6) for the comparator output result.
Because of this, P3.6 is not available for general purpose I/O.
Hmmmm.... I don't see port 3 connected to anything in the Mineoro circuit. There must be some coding in the AT89C2051 which extracts the gold signal.

Maybe one input is for fresh gold, and the other is for long-time buried gold.
Or maybe the AT89C2051 has a random number generator coded to make random beeps when it senses there is no signal is coming from the loop or ion chamber?

Best wishes,
J_P

[FrancoItaly]

Hi J_Player

Yes it's possible in the assembly code to control for example every 50 mS if the output of the comparators change, remember the 10 hZ frequency generated from the microprocessor...My doubts are the lack of a TR stage and a TR coil, infact in all my instruments I use an oscillator that drives a coil principally to have a stable signal in the RX stage. In the case of Mineoro perhaps the 10 Hz signal is used as "chopper" circuit.

Best regards

[J_Player]

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )...

Hi Fred,
In Geo's most recent schematic, the ion chamber 27v is coupled to Q1 by a capacitor. No direct connection.
You see it also sent to TR2 at the output of Q1, which Geo marked as "20 MHz". See Geo's recent schematic redrawn for easier reading below.

Hi J_Player

Yes it's possible in the assembly code to control for example every 50 mS if the output of the comparators change, remember the 10 hZ frequency generated from the microprocessor...My doubts are the lack of a TR stage and a TR coil, infact in all my instruments I use an oscillator that drives a coil principally to have a stable signal in the RX stage. In the case of Mineoro perhaps the 10 Hz signal is used as "chopper" circuit.

Best regards

You are correct. There are many ways to code the processor. It could be coded for simple comparator against a reference, or maybe coded for complex signal conditioning and extraction.
One theme that comes to mind is to examine a particular segment of each cycle of a repeating wave form.
Using a processor, the coding could look at various frequencies within a range and find the part of the wave form to examine.
Or maybe it would be easier to cause the beeper to make random beeps when neither input has risen above a voltage threshold after a time interval passed.

If the 10 Hz was intended as a chopper, then it is chopping from 27v to 22v differential. Not quite the same as 0 - 5v.
Following the circuit, we see one end of the ion chamber is connected to 27v, and is also coupled to the receiver loop input via capacitor.
According to Mineoro theory, sparks with a certain "gold DNA" will become part of the signal at Q1.
If these sparks don't arrive from passionate gold ions, then maybe some noise from the 10 Hz signal switching will arrive at Q1?
Is the 10 Hz intended to be the stable signal in the Mineoro concept?
Does noise from the 10 Hz switching make some odd signal in the coils?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

MINEORO

Looking at the schematic it is even more obvious now that the "ionic chamber" is only here to make people think there is something special to this device...
(Making us think it works like a particle detector, with only 27v and directly connected to the base of the transistor is nonsense )

The only real electronics in there is the VLF/everything receiver that will pick up some radio signal (depending of your location, time of the day etc), and will look like "signal lines"... If you are really lucky you may even find that metallic objects may have some effect on this radio signals.

But that will never be a RELIABLE method to detect buried metal.
Also, the way the thing is build it will pick up all kinds of noise and will beep randomly, then selective memory and some target (ie P.M.) advertising will do the rest.

At this price it is worth the trouble.

All the MINEORO are very quiet if not work in limit of sensitivity. Unfortunatly they are extremly quiet,you know wath i mean...

[Geo]

Hi Fred,
In Geo's most recent schematic, the ion chamber 27v is coupled to Q1 by a capacitor. No direct connection.
You see it also sent to TR2 at the output of Q1, which Geo marked as "20 MHz". See Geo's recent schematic redrawn for easier reading below.

You are correct. There are many ways to code the processor. It could be coded for simple comparator against a reference, or maybe coded for complex signal conditioning and extraction.
One theme that comes to mind is to examine a particular segment of each cycle of a repeating wave form.
Using a processor, the coding could look at various frequencies within a range and find the part of the wave form to examine.
Or maybe it would be easier to cause the beeper to make random beeps when neither input has risen above a voltage threshold after a time interval passed.

If the 10 Hz was intended as a chopper, then it is chopping from 27v to 22v differential. Not quite the same as 0 - 5v.
Following the circuit, we see one end of the ion chamber is connected to 27v, and is also coupled to the receiver loop input via capacitor.
According to Mineoro theory, sparks with a certain "gold DNA" will become part of the signal at Q1.
If these sparks don't arrive from passionate gold ions, then maybe some noise from the 10 Hz signal switching will arrive at Q1?
Is the 10 Hz intended to be the stable signal in the Mineoro concept?
Does noise from the 10 Hz switching make some odd signal in the coils?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I marked the inductance as 20mH, not the frequency as 20MHZ...

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I marked the inductance as 20mH, not the frequency as 20MHZ...

Regards

Yes, my mistake.

So have you discovered the reason for the 10 Hz signal sent to the ion chamber?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

After 6 years, I see the true loop is the flow of information here...

Well Dr Hung, aren't you a slow learner.

[Qiaozhi]

You shouldn't.
Wrong answer.
Not high tech. Actually low tech and very simple. Yet effective and millions were sold.

Aren't you one of the 'eyeballers' here who can spot a circuit schematics and tell their 'lifestory'?

Try again. What is this?

When you see this smilie -> ... it means "sarcasm".
Of course it's low tech. I was being SARCASTIC.

[Morgan]

10 Hz pulses

Yes, my mistake.

So have you discovered the reason for the 10 Hz signal sent to the ion chamber?

Best wishes,
J_P

It was told here some years ago (mineorogreece member) ,the 10 Hz pulse sent to gold leaf inside the ionic chamber, charge the gold leaf with electrons,this is the way mineoro claims to work.

[J_Player]

It was told here some years ago (mineorogreece member) ,the 10 Hz pulse sent to gold leaf inside the ionic chamber, charge the gold leaf with electrons,this is the way mineoro claims to work.

Hi Morgan,
If the purpose of the 5v pulses is to charge the gold leaf, then why do they make pulses? Why not simply connect to 5v. supply for constant charge to the gold leaf?

Now let's think this through... You can charge the gold leaf to +5v of the Atmel processor. But the brass rod is charged to +27v. This means the gold leaf is 22v more negative than the brass rod where the spark is supposed to jump to. What is happening to the gold leaf during these pulses? The gold leaf is being connected to ground (0v.), then to +5v ten times every second, while the brass rod remains at +27v. There is no time the gold leaf becomes more positive voltage than the brass rod. So we see the brass rod is charged most positive, and it is made from copper and zinc, maybe other metals, but not from gold.

Maybe the Mineoro theory is not correct. Maybe sparks are not jumping across the ion chamber. Maybe there are no gold ions entering the ion chamber.

Best wishes,
J_P