Mineoro FG79-Happy new Year

[Fred]

Hi Fred
you cannot eliminate halo effect from targets signals. It is about the same signal.

Hi WM6,

What i meant is that no to care about the metal, but focusing in detecting "halos" only - because they *may* be of different nature, even if produced by the metal.

[aft_72005]

I got an idea:

Let´s admit there is a halo effect, similar to an anomaly in the electrostatic field above earth.
Let´s admit this effect is destroyed by an electromagnetic field, like Esteban and others said before.
Then to detect it and only it (but not its natural variations), we need to measure it, then send an impulse via a coil, then measure it again, to detect any variation.
If something has changed, then there was a "halo" around here.
If only the natural field changes, it will not be affected by the coil impulse.

Many "if´s" , but it´s an idea.... if it works, it´s a great idea

Hi fred
At first , I didn’t believe there are detection from long distance .
But as my experiment with real LRL , I could detect rusty nails at 30 cm deep
From 2-3 meter distance . age of nails around 60 years ago . I believe there are energy filed
Around long buried metals now .

[J_Player]

Hi fred
At first , I didn’t believe there are detection from long distance .
But as my experiment with real LRL , I could detect rusty nails at 30 cm deep
From 2-3 meter distance . age of nails around 60 years ago . I believe there are energy filed
Around long buried metals now .

Hi Aft,
I have seen many rusty nails and other long time buried rusty iron. These often make big signals which are believed to be caused by the conductive rust that accumulates in the ground around the iron object, to create more surface for eddy currents to form. On close examination, I have found some rusty iron objects have become separated into layers of laminated rust plates which may be creating separate eddy currents from each lamination of rust. I find rusty iron giving a larger than normal iron signal to be a common occurrence when hunting for buried metal.

However, there is also a halo effect that is seen very rarely in which non-ferrous metals that have been buried a long time (like coins buried more than 50 years, for example) give a signal maybe twice as strong as the same coin gives when detecting it in the air after you dig it up. In these cases, we can check the hole and find there is no other buried object giving a signal from the area of the hole or from the dirt we removed from the hole. Apparently the extra strong signal stopped being extra strong when we dig the hole.

What causes this halo for non-ferrous metals?
Nobody knows for sure. We hear many theories of why, but all we really know is a lot of people from all over the world report they have experienced this on rare occasions.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi WM6,
From what I heard, there are 3 people who know the secret to make the Alonso PD work, and a fourth person who stumbled on it by accident, but does not fully comprehend how to make it work.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P
Can you tell us about the 3 persons who knows the seret to make the PD work????

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Morgan,
When I saw 2 meters detection, I was surprised. This is more than I expected to see on a video. But from what I saw, and from what I heard from Geo, I think the PD was detecting a gold medal from 2 meters.

It is too bad you do not have time to make a video of your PD detecting treasure at 7m reliably so we can all see how it really works for 7m.
If we see convincing evidence, then we will say it can detect to 7 meters reliably, not 2 meters. But we did not see this evidence....

So the printed words remain that the PD is said to detect reliably at 2 meters distance.
Still this is a good detection distance when compared to a VLF or PI metal detector.

Maybe if you find time to make a convincing video of 7 meters reliable detection, then we will begin to believe it can find treasure at this distance.

Best wishes,
J_P

When we found the silver paper at Portugal, the distance was 3m (very easy) from South to North and 1m from the other positions. So i believe that 7m is very easy for a big object and much years buried

Regards

[J_Player]

When we found the silver paper at Portugal, the distance was 3m (very easy) from South to North and 1m from the other positions. So i believe that 7m is very easy for a big object and much years buried

Regards

Hi Geo,
Maybe some day you will be able to make a video of the PD finding big objects from 7m very easy. If you can make some convincing videos, then maybe other people will believe too.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi J_P
Can you tell us about the 3 persons who knows the seret to make the PD work????

Regards

Hi Geo,
One of these three people is Alonso, the person who built the original Alonso PD. The other two I promised not to disclose any information about who they are, how they learned the method, or how they did their tuning.
But the 4th person who stumbled on it by accident is Morgan. His method may not have the refinements to give the same performance as the original Alonso PD, but he has produced working clones that we saw in a video to find metal in a known location from 2 meters.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Maybe some day you will be able to make a video of the PD finding big objects from 7m very easy. If you can make some convincing videos, then maybe other people will believe too.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi.
No.... sceptics will never believe to LRL (small... as PD). I remember before i visit Portugal.. that some sceptics said ... "(if Geo with Morgan will show a video we will believe). But you know the continuity......

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi.
No.... sceptics will never believe to LRL (small... as PD). I remember before i visit Portugal.. that some sceptics said ... "(if Geo with Morgan will show a video we will believe). But you know the continuity......

Regards

Hi Geo,
I am skeptical of all LRL stories. But after I saw the video you and Morgan made and I considered who made this video, I concluded there was no trick of hidden oscillators or fake beepers. I think the video was a true video. There are also many readers of Geotech forums who think the same as me, but you do not see them make posts in the forum. You only hear a few posts from people who have strong opinions that LRL is fake or LRL is true. Most people are simply skeptical, not fanatics. They think it does not work, but if they see a good convincing video they may change their mind. Same as you changed your mind after you see it working. But the best proof is when people see it working in front of them, not from a video. Then they will not care what skeptics say, they will believe what they see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Even if MINEORO boxes can work as LRL for big treasure,the big price is completly wrong.
If MINEORO boxes works as they claim,example one gold coin 30 m distance,this 10.000 $ are the correct paiment,becouse this LRL device will bring treasures for the owner.
Unfortunatly reality is shows MINEORO is not good.

How much do you think it was spent by Damasio and Alonso in R&D, huge amount of monitoring surveys to trace what they found, thousands of hours of field testings, development, traveling expenses,protype construction and production in 50+ years?

What was the reason for that MXR Distortion+ little box be sold in the 70's for 100 bucks with only 5 dollar parts inside?
Was it only for the parts themselves and 95% greed and profits, or was it due to their 'know how' and R&D for the exact configuration the components were set to get that famous distortion sound?

Don't fall in the trap some idiots here set up to fool the naives.
I consider you a smart guy with perceptions some times even superior to some 'engineers' here tough you lack the technical background.

I expect this statement from them, but not from you.

[aft_72005]

What causes this halo for non-ferrous metals?

Hi J_PLAYER
Also I don’t know , but I am sure 100% , there are something around long buried
Metals .I called it “energy filed “ I experience more than 6 times with LRL .
Then all , recheck with metal detector . yes , I founded all rusty nails !!!!!!!!

[J_Player]

What causes this halo for non-ferrous metals?

Hi J_PLAYER
Also I don’t know , but I am sure 100% , there are something around long buried
Metals .I called it “energy filed “ I experience more than 6 times with LRL .
Then all , recheck with metal detector . yes , I founded all rusty nails !!!!!!!!

Hi Aft,
I have found many rusty nails. Usually they give the same signal as new nails, but sometimes they give a bigger signal than a new nail. I have seen signals maybe less than twice as much as I expect for a nail. When I dig these big signal rusty nails, I see they are very rusted to the point where the oxidation has penetrated into the metal and made the nail weak. I often see the rust layer is partially separated from the nail in the center, and is being absorbed into the adjacent soil. This makes me think some significant percentage of the iron has been converted to iron oxide and even combined with other soil constituents. Yet there is pure iron or steel at the core of the nail remaining. I did not see any evidence of an extra energy field from these rusty nails, but I did see a larger conductive area that could produce more eddy currents than is found in a fresh nail. My tests with chunks of rust that were broken off large nails showed they do make signals on my metal detectors.

So I am thinking I have not seen any energy field from rusty nails when using metal detectors except for extra eddy currents that a fresh nail will not show.
But one thing I am certain.... rusty nails are not a happy treasure to find unless they are nailed into a treasure chest.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

...Don't fall in the trap some idiots here set up to fool the naives.
I consider you a smart guy with perceptions some times even superior to some 'engineers' here tough you lack the technical background.

I expect this statement from them, but not from you.

Heheheee....
Dr. hung expects Morgan to believe he was not naive when he bought his Mineoro locator and expected it to detect a coin at 30 meters...

Morgan knows Mineoro cannot find a coin at 30 meters because he has a Mineoro which does not work to find coins at 30 meters.
None of the Mineoros Morgan owned found coins at 30 meters. Why would Morgan want to lie and say Mineoro can find a coin at 30 meters as advertised when he saw it cannot?
Does Dr. hung expect Morgan to enter into the dream world where it is ok to give false information about what he sees the Mineoro locators do?

I happen to agree with Morgan when he says: "If MINEORO boxes works as they claim,example one gold coin 30 m distance,this 10.000 $ are the correct paiment,becouse this LRL device will bring treasures for the owner.
Unfortunatly reality is shows MINEORO is not good".

Yes, I would consider paying $10,000 for a Mineoro locator if it could reliably find coins at 30 meters as advertised, but it can't.
So it is worth maybe $100-$200 for a museum piece to me if it is in good cosmetic condition.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

If I have already detected a piece of copper the size of a coin from 30m, why can't Morgan do the same with a gold coin from this distance or even greater?

It depends on how long it was buried and specially if the right conditions of weather, ionic field intensity, etc. are met.

If you support the theory of 'It did not work for me so it does not work', fine.
Just don't make any assumptions I think the same as you.

[Qiaozhi]

If I have already detected a piece of copper the size of a coin from 30m, why can't Morgan do the same with a gold coin from this distance or even greater?

It depends on how long it was buried and specially if the right conditions of weather, ionic field intensity, etc. are met.

If you support the theory of 'It did not work for me so it does not work', fine.
Just don't make any assumptions I think the same as you.

Aha ... this must be the [almost] "lucid Hung" posting today.
What happened to "ranting Hung"? Has he gone out searching for longtime buried gold with his homemade LRL ... plus trusty Minelab detector, for the purposes of pinpointing only (of course)?