MINERO

[michael]

Michael, you can phone me and i'll tell you even more fantastic story about my finds.

Please share all of us in your fantastic excavations ( definitely be evident)

"Toys", you said !!?? Those toys are only devices with wich you can find at least anything!... This is only one thread in this forum, why do not you visit other threads and read at least something else than lrl.

I have a powerful PI MD ;detects a 40 cm x 40 cm plate complete buried at 3 meters but had no success more than a jar full of silver powder (by help LRL + PI). And have field experiences with pulse star and Lorenz Deep max. many times they detect some stones which are not hot rock. And sometimes some kind of soils. The MDs like as whit's and Garret don't deserve to be discussed. We own Future Rover C but it is not satisfier as well. I read all of the threads and have experienced most of your founds by my flesh to bone. But the most important thing in treasure hunting world ( I name it sport and art) is scan speed the feature that every conventional metal detector is deprived of. We need a device be able to scan a vast and large area at the least time.
What do you have to introduce here that we haven't experienced? Exactly nothing.
But there is one thing I haven't had chance for test ;mineoro. And am desired to do it
Then I appreciate every note about it. have you personally done it MR. Terrestrial!
From your courtesy ( as name us martian) we can judge about your statements accuracy.

Besides, the main contribution here is to stop naive people to waste money on trash! To explain to the people what is fraud and what is not. I have full right to claim my claims according to my experience, even to uncover and spitt on charlatans and mountebanks here.....Some of them are so agressive in "pushing" wrong ideas and lies here that it corrupt the whole concept of this excell forum.

It will be appreciated at any time and god like these kind of people.I say seriously; don;t deprive us of your favors.

There are other forums on the .net, just for the lrl'sts. Why do you people havesuch strong need to come here and spoil everything.

Thank you, we didn't know it, really???
I think here is the remote sensing thread not pertaining to toy metal detectors. Then you are spoiling here by injecting your poisons and disquiet mindswithout any useful explanation.You trespass here , insult and do have claim upon us?
Your tone inspire you are associated with metal detector corporation that has sensed danger from LRLs producers unless write rational and logical based on your experiences.
I emphasize ; I am not LRLs proponent. I just look for fact.
have you personally tested mineoro? If yes, which model, and what was results?
If you know any special matter ,disclose it. you will make me and others pleasured.

do beleive that there is some way to detect remote object on some distance in some depth...I also beleive that there are people which have very developed mental capabillity to "fell" something, even, in most cases if they can't explain exact what. Also there are a small number of people who developed and trained even more their natural, borned with, capabilities and can "fell" and "see" almost exact situation on the remoted sight. Also there is a very small number of people who can predict the future or see in the past, etc.etc.

it's completely right and not a new thing for us in middle east. I personally have passed many times with them and have experienced their ability. I believe in metaphysic much more than you. For this reason believe in some kind of science which is supreme of ordinary detection science(of course will be casted through a device)

[Esteban]

Who is the better witness?

Maybe, MD manufacturer.

Persons of the team involved in electronic long range metal detector for gold and silver who visit USA in the 80s refers me that they found a silver clock in the back part of Garrett's property in Texas, near a stream, in presence of the Garretts.



What kind of object they found with UGLY electronic long range MD in Garrett's property?



Coincidence?: A silver clock dedicated to Pat Garrett in 1902! And Garrett's manufacturer haven't family relationship with Pat Garrett.



This was at depth wich a conventional MD can't detect it.



Coincidence 2?: Garrett Metal Detectors, 1881 W. State St., Garland, TX



1881 (July) is the same year that Pat Garrett killed the famous outlaw Billy the Kid!


The clock was dedicated by a town for Pat Garrett for his services. Also, Pat Garret served as sheriff of Dona (Doña) Ana County, New Mexico. I suspect this was the town of the dedicatory.



Hope the major people who visit this forum know who was sheriff Pat Garrett.



Also, ask how the team detect all targets like silver, gold and the big copper plate at high depth Garrett have for to probe two boxes.



Ask Mr. Garrett —no me— about the real fact of long range MD ONLY FOR GOOD CONDUCTIVE METALS.



Leave behind you the prejudices and accept the real fact. Many persons in this forum are shooting in any direction, no as Pat Garrett.



Investigate and later discuss.



The next days I'll sending more photos in Texas (80s).

[Esteban]

Can't wait!!!


Mr. John Baldwin, British, sustain a coin. Miguel Montanía Grinok (my cousin) has in the hand a radiofrequency long range metal detector. This never detect bronze or copper in longitudinal form, only if this copper or bronze object is round like coin!!! Of course, yes very big copper or bronze objects, any form. Near for bronze and copper round forms, long distance for silver and gold, any form. Silver or gold round form, better!


In the corner, in red circle, the year. The car plate is of Texas.



Sorry for the unbelievers, no Cheeta, no Tarzan here, no "ugly persons", no Martians, no spirits, no ghost, no ancient echoes, no halo, no "Oye cómo va" (Santana's song), no pseudo-science, only science and "blondie persons" who celebrates one of the more 1,000 finds in the few days in USA.


Salute!!!

[Dell Winders]

If my memory serves me correctly, I think I know the Texan in the photo as being from from Grapevine,Texas, and at least part of the story of the instrument's use in the U.S. Dell

[robert]

Howdy!!!

"...The MDs like as whit's and Garret don't deserve to be discussed..."
(White's.. man...and Garrett !!!)

Now i am sure that you are martian !!! You must know some secret we others do not!
I am having GTI2500 for over the 4 years,also Eagle IIic for over the 12 years.....
now after reading your judgement about them i feel very sad....i am thinking to
sell them....cose they don't deserve to be discussed....and all those Au,Ag and Cu
old roman coins(over 3500 pieces) i have been found these years WITH tHEM i would consider
as my dream or desert "fatamorgana"!!!


"We own Future Rover C but it is not satisfier as well"

At least on this i can agree with you....although WE own Voyager 2005 extreme and it
sucks....so far!


"I read all of the threads and have experienced most of your founds by my flesh to bone"

I do not think so, after reading your claims! If that so, than you are very rich man...


"We need a device be able to scan a vast and large area at the least time."

Only if you are in a big hurry !!! I do consider this matter as a hobby not as a rally!


"What do you have to introduce here that we haven't experienced? Exactly nothing"

Ha,ha,ha....do not be such antediluvian.Nobody would talk with you any more, with that
kind of attitude...besides,if you are such expirienced, than,what the hell, are you
doing here!!!???Why asking so many questions!??


"But there is one thing I haven't had chance for test ;mineoro. And am desired to do it"

Fine by me.Go and buy it! I salute to that.You deserve it 100%...(oye,oye !!!)


"You trespass here , insult and do have claim upon us?"
Upon you !? Never! Upon mineoro and other mountebanks....always!!!!
Truth is insulting you!? O.K. from now on, no more truth here!


"Your tone inspire you are associated with metal detector corporation that has sensed
danger from LRLs producers unless write rational and logical based on your experiences."

Ha,ha,ha....no such corporation(that sensed danger from LRL)....from the oder hand i am
associated with a few metal detector manufacturers for lifetime, simply it is my choice.


"I emphasize ; I am not LRLs proponent. I just look for fact."

Me too.But i am ready to express my attitude free, with no scrupule,no matter what other
people thinking.Facts you not gonna find in LRL retorics.


"have you personally tested mineoro? If yes, which model, and what was results?
If you know any special matter ,disclose it. you will make me and others pleasured"

Yes.FG78.I...it sucks!It is scum,trash,fraud,toy.Is this enough to you?I think that there is
no need for me to bug you with details... It's "beeping" from time to time in all
directions, no matter if there is any metal or not.It was tested for over the 2 months in
all posiblle conditions and... nothing. After that it was returned to dork who spent money on
it !!!
Carl did nice report here, you just have to read it.
No need for me to write another simillar report.I made some claims in my earlier posts,for
those who know to read it was enough! If i have to repeat everything, every week, again and
again.....well, than i am not gonna waste my time any more.Just buy some Mineoro and have
your own,personal experience.You deserve it for sure!


"I believe in metaphysic much more than you."
WHAT'S MAKE YOU THINK THAT I AM !!!??? I do not beleive in metaphysic at all!
I am the greatest skeptic on the world!
Good bye Michael! The very best regards!
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Esteban...hi !
Yor story is nice. You are fair player, i do not have to check any of those you posted.
I am absolutelly sure that you are true beleiver in everything you said!
But it does not show that Garrett metal detectors are bad...It has nothing to do with
any of Garrett metal detector at all!
Pat Garrett was not fair player.He was scum.He killed Billy the Kid from the back,by night!
If you are interested on coincedences than you may find a millions of them on the .net .
Besides, any body who is prospecting with some LRL toy is meeting coincedences from time to
time (although not very often...ha,ha,ha).
best regards to you....

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Now, generally...for all...

People, think what ever you want to think.If you have doubts about my claims here,then
the best way is to have your own experience. If you are expecting some sweet fairy tales
than you are on wrong place. When somebody claim that LRL is trash, you get angry on him,
but from the other hand you do not want to spend your own money,buy some LRL device and
test it.You are expecting somebody else to do that for you and to report you just good
news.Grow up !
I was interested in many things. I spent a lot of money on devices. I do have over the
11-12 devices now, at home.(Just look at Carl's collection here....what do you think: how
much money he spend so far? Try to respect that and his posts....think about that!) I have
found many coins,relics and other stuff during last 15 years. I earn a lot of money selling
that founds. That is the only philosophy i know.
If you want something, you have to pay for it. Here, on this excell forum you can have
much informations for free. If you are not respecting that fact than you deserve to
became another victim of fraud.Nobody pushing me or any body else here to give advices
and informations free.It is only a good will.
best regards and much finds !!!


P.S.
No more blah,blah from me here....next time only jokes and pics on charlatans,frauds and
dorks account...
....until administrator excommunicate me from here...(well...that's life...)

[Esteban]

Aren't bad!!!

Garrett, White's, Fisher, Minelab, Tesoro and all famous brand are good detectors, the point is that this radiofrequency type machine detects at depth that conventional MD can't detect...

Also I have White's, Garrett, Fisher and another good detectors.


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Dell: I'll investigate the location, but I'm semi-shure was in Galveston.

[J_Player]

I read these posts, and I agree that maybe these LRL detectors can work. Also, Robert has made statements that do not add anything of value to this thread except one thing. He says he does not believe the LRL will work and it is a fraud. I see no proof behind what Robert says. It sounds like he is speaking from his own personal experience that he did not find treasure with a LRL machine.

But I have to say one thing in defense of the position that Robert established. So far, I have found NOBODY on this earth who is willing to demonstrate a Mineoro machine locating treasure, or any other LRL machine finding treasure. NOBODY on earth! If Mineoro can find treasure, then why won't anybody demonstrate it working? All I hear is stories of how it found treasure in the past. Why not show it find treasure NOW so the non-believers can see with their own eyes? Are the non-believers are right? Is it true that nobody on earth will show the Mineoro find treasure because the Mineoro does not really work and is a fraud? Is anybody willing to show us a Mineoro machine work so we can see?

[Dell Winders]

The location could be anywhere, I don't know.I was just commenting that I believe I have known, and treasure hunted with two persons in the photo. If my memory is correct the person in the hat is Virgil Williams, who lived in Grapevine, Texas at the time. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Yesterday I talked to phone with a PDC 210 Owner he said had found many small targets not very deep but for every deep detection encountered to empety holes he thought this device is only for shallow targets, but I think it's pinpointing for deep targets has problem.
some of them he had found; 1 gold coin at 30 cm, 5 gold coin at 70 cm and 3 golden earing at 150 cm
depth. what's the truth???

Michael, in my experience, Frequency Discriminators, and so called LRL, DOES NOT detect, or locate a physical target. This is one of the mis-conceptions promoted in ignorance and mis-leading advertising, which serves as fuel for the Skeptic cult agenda. For the pretenders, and scientific wannabe's, I would suggest viewing Remote sensing Frequency Discrimination with a different perspective if you wish to understand the concept.

These types of locators detect the emenating "Field" that concentrates around a target, and it is the "Field" which is detected at, or above the surface of the ground. NOT the physical target.

For a number of geological reasons the "Field" of a target may never reach the surface, or even near surface where it can be detected in this manner, whether you are metering the "Field" electronically, or with a simple pair of Dowsing Rods.

In addition, a detectable target "Field" DOES NOT necessarily rise (our perspective) vertically straight up from the target. Quite often the "Field" will rise at an angle. Making a location at the surface of the ground DOES NOT MEAN a target is buried directly below. According to the depth of the physical target, and the angle of the rising "Field" the surface location can be many feet away from the actual target. There are excavation proceedures I use to pinpoint the physical target.

I hope this helps to point a direction for your R&D.

I won't be posting much for awhile. I have been down with the flu for a month and behind on orders.

Robert & Jim, You appear to be among the folks that believe they already know everything there is to know about Earth Science and Physics, so I apologize if my rhetoric is boring to you. But, ceartainly you are intelligent enough to understand that "WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE". Dell

[michael]

Michael, in my experience, Frequency Discriminators, and so called LRL, DOES NOT detect, or locate a physical target...
These types of locators detect the emenating "Field" that concentrates around a target, and it is the "Field" which is detected at, or above the surface of the ground. NOT the physical target.

Hi dear Dell. nice to see your post again and am happy. pray to god bless you and return your health soon. yes, we oblige you for these information and datas.
Dear Esteban thank you for your statements and attachment. your and dell answers was irrecusable. please continue to enclose these documents.

Now i am sure that you are martian !!! You must know some secret we others do not!

think you can only humiliate others.

I am having GTI2500 for over the 4 years,also Eagle IIic for over the 12 years.....!

I am sure are not better than Pulse starII or Lorenze deepmax X3.
oh, by the way I forgot, you search for little things like as a semi-cion, etc, but in middle east we search for large treasures (like as 3 jar full of coins) in great depth. then you are right garrett arnd white's are the best there for you.

if you are such expirienced, than,what the hell, are you
doing here!!!???Why asking so many questions!??

this is my question from you. I am telling the conventional detectors are not satisfiable for our purposes.

Yes.FG78.I...it sucks!It is scum,trash,fraud,toy.Is this enough to you?I think that there is no need for me to bug you with details... It's "beeping" from time to time in all directions, no matter if there is any metal or not.It was tested for over the 2 months in all posiblle conditions and... nothing. After that it was returned to dork who spent money on

1- I think it's a bouncer. as I know (of course based on Hung statement) their
completed Fg78 will be released and delivered after may 15th.
How can rely on your claims??? hum??
2- You are the man names scum, martian,...who don't coincid their ideas with you. this is all thing you have present. every rational spectism is appreciated
not insulting others.

WHAT'S MAKE YOU THINK THAT I AM !!!??? I do not beleive in metaphysic at all! I am the greatest skeptic on the world!

Oh good. Now I received all my answers from you. then you deserve to work all of your life only with conventional metal detectors. you are like the company built the taitanic ship and for advertisement wrote on it; "Even god can't drown this ship." we have a slang here : "the best answer for ignoramus is silence"

[michael]

yes, we oblige you for these information and datas.

Excuse me dell I correct; we have been obliged to you....

[Esteban]

I read these posts, and I agree that maybe these LRL detectors can work. Also, Robert has made statements that do not add anything of value to this thread except one thing. He says he does not believe the LRL will work and it is a fraud. I see no proof behind what Robert says. It sounds like he is speaking from his own personal experience that he did not find treasure with a LRL machine.

But I have to say one thing in defense of the position that Robert established. So far, I have found NOBODY on this earth who is willing to demonstrate a Mineoro machine locating treasure, or any other LRL machine finding treasure. NOBODY on earth! If Mineoro can find treasure, then why won't anybody demonstrate it working? All I hear is stories of how it found treasure in the past. Why not show it find treasure NOW so the non-believers can see with their own eyes? Are the non-believers are right? Is it true that nobody on earth will show the Mineoro find treasure because the Mineoro does not really work and is a fraud? Is anybody willing to show us a Mineoro machine work so we can see?

If the detector I post detect a coin, sure can detect a treasure. What kind of proof do you want? The only proof that this detect is the photographic evidence. See this cup with 9 gold plate inside we found in 1979. Or do you want to send the targets or treasure on the forum? No in defense of Mineoro, in defense of the fact that this kind of machine exist since 1959.

[Qiaozhi]

LRL Detector

Mr. John Baldwin, British, sustain a coin. Miguel Montanía Grinok (my cousin) has in the hand a radiofrequency long range metal detector. This never detect bronze or copper in longitudinal form, only if this copper or bronze object is round like coin!!! Of course, yes very big copper or bronze objects, any form. Near for bronze and copper round forms, long distance for silver and gold, any form. Silver or gold round form, better!


In the corner, in red circle, the year. The car plate is of Texas.



Sorry for the unbelievers, no Cheeta, no Tarzan here, no "ugly persons", no Martians, no spirits, no ghost, no ancient echoes, no halo, no "Oye cómo va" (Santana's song), no pseudo-science, only science and "blondie persons" who celebrates one of the more 1,000 finds in the few days in USA.


Salute!!!

Esteban - what is the make of the detector that Miguel Montanía Grinok (your cousin) is holding in the photo? Or is it homemade?

[Esteban]

MORE PHOTO

I post in another thread, yesterday, the parts of the radiofrequency gold-silver detector under the title: "Exactly as conventional MD". The search head is a coil, all the detector is homemade, the plastic search head like "air styler" was used for photographic laboratory. Is a good housing because was easy to build in it, but the variations in models is big.

Consist in two parts: the search head, this is a coil with oscillator, linked by a shielded cable, and a aluminium box with antenna sustained by the neck, in this model. Transmitter-receiver like a radar.

I have impressive quantities of photos, my idea is to put in a book.

If can found a gold chain, can found a treasure. You need an only experience for to convert in phanatic!

Here you can see better:

[robert]

Huh!!!

:confused:
MIchael...i already said to you good bye!? Didn't I???
Your tone is provoking me more and more.......
But i am not gonna answer to your nonsences any more...
All i had to tell you i already said.Nothing more.
Just give up of mentioning my name any more here or
anywhere else.
Otherwise do not appeal on my style of talking or
naming....
All right...i didn't contribute here with my posts...
what is your contribution here !? Provoking me and
other non-beleivers !?
Why i just had to peak you to argue with!?
Why i did not peak Dell or Esteban or somebody else?
Compare your style of talking here with their style
and you'll see a big difference.
All started with that unfortunate picture i posted.
It was a joke..."unsalted" joke on Mineoro's account
but not on your account. Who are you? Mineoro's
advocate? I did not judge you and your attitude from
the begining of my posts.You started to judge me and
provoked me to answer....But now is time to stop.
If you continue, you'll get no answer any more.
Best regards to Dell,Esteban and J Player.Even if i
do not agree with you people, i am respecting your
opinions and attitude....