MINERO

[Esteban]

No necessary to be complicate! The first ciclotron was build with cans and other "trash".

http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html

[goldfinder]

Minero and IONs

A simple FET circuit can detect ions at a distance. The basic problem is that the world has ions and ion concentrations everywhere. The ion detector that I built can even detect direction by using a simple pole antenna. And mentioned many times on this thread - gold does not ionize itself. Gold is one of the most stable elements (at least the non-radioactive variety usually found in nature). However, I do concede that gold might be stimulated by some radiation externally and radiate electrons or some other sub-atomic particle. I will have to run some more tests with my jimdandy ion detector to see if that are any stray electrons zipping out from a gold piece. Last time I checked though, there weren't any.

This is a most interesting thread. If guys w/ these Mineoro detectors are finding gold, we have to get one of these detectors an reverse engineer it, cake or no cake!!!

Goldfinder

[Carl-NC]

No necessary to be complicate! The first ciclotron was build with cans and other "trash".

http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html

Interesting... the article describes an ion detection chamber, that detects ions that are generated inside the chamber. But it does not detect ions that are outside the chamber, it does not detect ions at a distance, it does not identify the atoms that are ionized, and it does not demonstrate that gold just sitting around generates ions. So it completely fails to answer my request... describe a simple, reproducible experiment that either shows gold produces ions, or that ions can be detected at a distance.

Notice also the comment on recombination... the author states that if the voltage is not high enough, recombination will eliminate the ions before they can reach the electrodes. And this is within the space a few centimeters. Consider the voltage that would be needed to pull in ions from 50 meters away, with minimal recombination!

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

A simple FET circuit can detect ions at a distance.

A simple FET ion detector requires that the ion physically contact the FET gate (as in the article referenced by Esteban). I've not seen a FET-based ion detector that can detect distant ions.

- Carl

[hung]

describe a simple, reproducible experiment that either shows gold produces ions, or that ions can be detected at a distance.
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This is the 'recipe of the cake'...
Also there are two mistakes in your sentence. You're not going anywhere with it..

[Esteban]

No only gold (buried for many years) produces electrical changes in the vecinity of an electrode (Mineoro's electrode, in this case). Here occurs a disbalance of charges.

Also, the ELECTRICAL variation in a site with buried metal is detectable by a simple FM radio.
You can detect via this methods:

1. radio

2. coil (oscillator)

3. infrared

4. magnetic absorption

5. microvoltmeter

5. association between 2 or 3 the above

Continuous detection (reproducible in the air) maybe is not possible yet, because the involved phenomenon depends of the electrical field produced by the long time buried metals.

[Carl-NC]

You're not going anywhere with it..

Yes, I already knew that, as there is no where to go with it.

[Carl-NC]

No only gold (buried for many years) produces electrical changes in the vecinity of an electrode (Mineoro's electrode, in this case). Here occurs a disbalance of charges.

Gold buried for 100 years is no different than gold buried for 100 seconds.

Also, the ELECTRICAL variation in a site with buried metal is detectable by a simple FM radio. You can detect via this methods:...

Yes, I am well aware that buried metals can be located by induction, infrared, magnetic distortion, and galvanic effects. None of these have anything to do with Mineoro's claims, so I'm not sure why you bring them up. Let's stick to the central claim: ion detection. I'd still like to see an experiment that buried gold produces ions.

Continuous detection (reproducible in the air) maybe is not possible yet, because the involved phenomenon depends of the electrical field produced by the long time buried metals.

Gold buried for 100 years is no different than gold buried for 100 seconds.

- Carl

[goldfinder]

Detect Electric field w/ FET circuit

Carl,
I am not sure if this answers some your requirements but the FET electrostatic field detector that I have built will detect electrostatic fields at a distance with no ions getting to the circuit. Tests with the circuit in a closed box would detect me running an acrylic rod over a wool sweater at 10 feet from the circuit.

The FET, as I am sure you know, is a voltage controlled transistor. So ions need no contact with the gate, just an electrostatic field generated by ions.

But as you say, one needs to show that gold has an ionic field around it.

Goldfinder

[Carl-NC]

Detecting an electrostatic field is not the same as detecting individual ions. Lots of things have electric fields, and I agree, strong electric fields can be detected at a distance... I also have a device that will do that. The acrylic rod & wool sweater generate lots and lots of charge, but the charge accumulates on the surfaces, not as free ions.

In small numbers the electric field of ions are way too weak to detect unless they physically contact a collector plate. That's why smoke detectors cannot detect smoke at a distance.

- Carl

[Esteban]

Eppur si muove

Carl, maybe you forgot, but many times I wrote respect the electric field associated, I don't know is the ionic is part of this electric field... Also don't know is Mineoro can or can't detect the ionic, but can detect the electrical phenomenon produces for conductive metal buried for long time. So is different conductive metal buried for long time than metal "at sight", so the coil of the "normal" metal detector can't measure it: this is the only experimentation you want to do. Comprobation requires go out the labo, walk in inland with sensitive microvoltmeter —or like this— and ask: why the device insist in this point and no in other? Do scientifics experiment in this way? No!!! Because can't reproduce it!!!



If no exist an electric field associated, why I can't "enter" in a site where found two antique-big Jesuitic bronze candelabrum? Not with Mineoro, yes with experimental absorption magnetic device. Was difficult to center the exact point, but unearthed, ends the "perturbation".

[hung]

Mineoro News

Hey Esteban, how are you buddy?
You're right on your explanation.
But anyway, what I bring is excellent news.
I just talked to Damasio not long ago and in fact I'll travel to Garopaba to get the new FG 78.1 and to spend two days there.
Fact is that in tests the FG78.1 got the astonishing mark of detecting 1 mm square of gold at 1 meter! It's astounding. Damasio told me that the new model is not prone to weather electrical discharges, in fact they even can help detetion if not sequential.. Also now the user can research at night with no apparent problems.
He and his team are so happy and confident about it that advertising in radios, newspapers and TV around here will start. I'm really proud of them and willing to hand this new detector and take part of this new era in detection.
In fact Mineoro's technology hit a point never imagined before. This is the culmination of all knowledge Damasio and Alonso gathered for almost fifty years.
And although it seems an exaggeration, the scientific comunity is not aware of what they discovered.
Although there are threats of reverse engineering these devices, whoever tries will only waste his time and money (a lot of money by the way to get one). It's not possible to do it. They were made like so. Besides Brazil and USA have a strong oficial anti patent breaking agreement and whoever tries to do it would be comitting crime and infringing the law with serious consequences.
As I said earlier only a fool would think the inventors were not aware of this possibility and keep producing detectors which would be cloned...

Well, that said, as soon as I get the new model I'll be out for a couple of weeks starting a recovery operation of a wreck the PDC detected at sea.
Regards.

[Esteban]

Ok, Hung

I'm optimist in this antenna model. My wish is to try the next days or months, deppending the disponibility of this machine in my hands.

Esetban

[Qiaozhi]

FG78.1

Hey Esteban, how are you buddy?
You're right on your explanation.
But anyway, what I bring is excellent news.
I just talked to Damasio not long ago and in fact I'll travel to Garopaba to get the new FG 78.1 and to spend two days there.
Fact is that in tests the FG78.1 got the astonishing mark of detecting 1 mm square of gold at 1 meter! It's astounding. Damasio told me that the new model is not prone to weather electrical discharges, in fact they even can help detetion if not sequential.. Also now the user can research at night with no apparent problems.
He and his team are so happy and confident about it that advertising in radios, newspapers and TV around here will start. I'm really proud of them and willing to hand this new detector and take part of this new era in detection.
In fact Mineoro's technology hit a point never imagined before. This is the culmination of all knowledge Damasio and Alonso gathered for almost fifty years.
And although it seems an exaggeration, the scientific comunity is not aware of what they discovered.
Although there are threats of reverse engineering these devices, whoever tries will only waste his time and money (a lot of money by the way to get one). It's not possible to do it. They were made like so. Besides Brazil and USA have a strong oficial anti patent breaking agreement and whoever tries to do it would be comitting crime and infringing the law with serious consequences.
As I said earlier only a fool would think the inventors were not aware of this possibility and keep producing detectors which would be cloned...

Well, that said, as soon as I get the new model I'll be out for a couple of weeks starting a recovery operation of a wreck the PDC detected at sea.
Regards.

Please let us know the results of your test with this new "detector", and post any pictures of your findings. Particularly any 1mm squares of gold that you come across.
We are all interested to hear about this amazing machine that defies the known laws of physics.

[Jim]

.. Also now the user can research at night with no apparent problems.

I find this interesting that the previous models apparently would not work in the dark. Evidently, ions are not nocturnal.



Thank you for keeping us informed, Jim