MINERO

[Carl-NC]

Yes, I've also hit a brick wall in trying to get pricing. Mineoro blacklisted my email address, so my emails to them simply bounce back.

- Carl

[J_Player]

I have to agree with Dell. There is no need to develop sides, because we are all just trying to find out the facts about the Mineoro LRLs. It may have an appearance of taking sides because of the long drawn out technical debates about the operating principles early in the thread. But what we all overlooked is that Dell started the thread, and he seems to have more knowledge and experience than the rest of us in how these devices work. And he is also right, that all we need to do is find a dealer to demonstrate the machine. However, I can't find anyone on the net who has these available in this country except the factory rep in New York. And I am nowhere near New York. Is there a list of dealers who sell these machines un the USA? I am planning to buy a metal detector in the near future and I don't want to miss out on a Looking at some LRLs when I choose my next machine. And Dell, can you recommend some models that I should be looking at which are reasonably priced for their performance?

Thank you

[michael]

One time I filled out the price form. After 2 days received e-mail
from mineoro. as I remember the suggested price for both models GDP 538 and
DC 2006 was about 4000$. I have the file in my PC archive but I am now
at my work place. I am so eager to know the latest test results of their products.

[mosha]

price

I asked mineoro about the price, here is the reply:

Dear Sirs,


Thank you for your enquiry about our vanguardist detectors.

In 2006 Mineoro proudly launched to the market model DC2006, in three
versions.
Read all about them on www.mineoro.com/tesouros/dc2006.htm

At the moment we are running a very special Introductory Offer
40% off. Do not miss it!

DC2006 100% USD$ 8,100.00 40% off.......USD 4.860.-
DC2006 80% USD$ 7,290.00 40% off......USD 4.374.-
DC2006 60% USD$ 6,561.00 40% off......USD 3.936,60

FREIGHT AND INSURANCE VIA PRIVATE COURIER INCLUDED!

Bank data and instructions about how to place your order in attachment.

Graphic comparing the performance of models in test field on
http://www.mineoro.com/tesouros/tabeladc.htm

We also produce Ionic Detectors:

- DIAS2005 All Substances...USD1,990 (one thousand nine hundred and
ninety
dollars)+ FREIGHT

- IGD2005 Only Gold.........USD 1,400 (one thousand four hundred
dollars) +
FREIGHT

[J_Player]

Excellent post Michael. Thanks for the info.

Can you email me here? I have a non-forum questoin I would like to ask...

J_Player59@hotmail.com

[J_Player]

Thanks Mosha. Thiis is what we were wanting to know. It looks like Dell was right on target, putting aside the introductory offer.

[J_Player]

Thanks for the post Mosha. This is what we have been wanting to know. It looks like Dell was right on target, putting aside the introductory offer.

[Qiaozhi]

My apologies

I have to agree with Dell. There is no need to develop sides, because we are all just trying to find out the facts about the Mineoro LRLs. It may have an appearance of taking sides because of the long drawn out technical debates about the operating principles early in the thread. But what we all overlooked is that Dell started the thread, and he seems to have more knowledge and experience than the rest of us in how these devices work. And he is also right, that all we need to do is find a dealer to demonstrate the machine.

My apologies if I've wound some of you up over this subject (especially Dell) but I am just trying to establish the facts. This "yes it does", "no it doesn't" type of discussion isn't leading anywhere. That's what I meant by "stalement". As for taking sides - hopefully we're all on the same side.

[michael]

Hi Jay. I will mail you at night. It must be mentioned Mineoro has a distributor in U.A.E. with name "Konouzem".
They are very merciless and sell instruments in outrageous prices. e.g.
Mineoro PDC 210 about 13000$ (48000 emirate derhams).
or sell Dell Omnitron Pro 4 about 7000 $ (25000 emirate derhams).

[Dell Winders]

And Dell, can you recommend some models that I should be looking at which are reasonably priced for their performance?

J Player, I don't reccommend products. I can only relate my personal experience with a product that I have used, and someone else experience may be different from my own with the same product under different conditions.

I do strongly suggest you ask questions and become as well informed as you can about the product you are interested in, especially the limitations, before you decide to buy. Ignore the advertising hype. Mis-leading, deceptive, and competetive advertising over the past 25 years has mis-lead consumers to have un-realistic expectations of these types of products. In the end, these products are only going to be as good as the knowledge and experience of the people using them.

If you are considering building your own inexpensive Frequency Discriminator, or purchasing one that uses so called Dowsing rods to meter the response I've posted some information and my method of using the Rod(s) at, http://treasureamerica.netfirms.com/...opic.php?t=286

If you have questions, feel free to call me at my home number, 863 422-5454. Leave a message and number, and I will return your call.

Qiaozhi, Your apology is gratefully, and humbly accepted. I feel honored as this is the first time in 15 years that a proclaimed skeptic has ever apologized to me. Thank You! Dell

[J_Player]

Hi dell,
You are right once again. So I am officially asking these questions:

1. Without revealing the (apparently secret) brand names of LRL's that work well in your opinion, what are the limitations of the moderate-priced LRL machines that are suitable for finding treasures? Please be specific so I will know what I cannot expect these machines to do, and what I can expect them to do.

2. With the understanding that this is in no way an endorsement for any particular product, what machines would you prefer to use if you wanted to search a 1/4 mile square plot of land in front of you for coins and jewelry that have been buried under the ground for more than 5 years? Does the composition of the ground matter? ie: mineralized, sand, clay, etc.

3. Is dowsing in any way related or incorporated into the ability of these LRL machines to locate treasures? If so how?

4. Can you tell me how to contact any USA dealers for the Mineoro LRLs besides the New York distributor?

5. Are there step-by-step instructions available for "building your own inexpensive Frequency Discriminator"?

6. You have made several comments that indicate you do not endorse the ion or staticelectric field detection theories. I am officially asking you what detection principle do you believe these machines operate on?

[Dell Winders]

4. Can you tell me how to contact any USA dealers for the Mineoro LRLs besides the New York distributor?

Here is the link of the USA dealer, copied from the Mineoro web site.
www.gnld.ws

Your other questions were not related to this thread, so I'll start another thread tomorrow and try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge. I'm a bit weary tonight. Thanks! Dell

[J_Player]

Thanks Dell,

I checked out your site and found it interesting, full of details. I found very little in the way of a quick overview that explains to the newbie how the LRLs work, but plenty of details and refinements. I am trying to have some basic understanding of the principle how these machines work, and what seperates a great LRL from an average one. I have no desire to reverse engineer any equipment, but I wouldn't mind building a a machine that works half as well as a commercially sold model if it wasn't too dificult. From the questions I posted, you can get an idea what I want to know.

[ivconic]

Last...

:mad:

"...I guess this is my last visit here...."
I thought so. But very next day I checked my e-mail and found a bedlam
of mails.Over 50 inbox. Different people was criticize me about my posts
and ask from me what I was posted in the previous post:

"Upon 50 wasted years(sorry, but it has to be wasted if those latest products
are the top of their success) they trying to compensate lost time to get
rich by selling nonsence devices to naive and beleivers by hot prices!
No, really....collect all materiall to build mineoro, it will cost you a
$30-$40...not a $8000 !!!!!!If you do not know how, than I'll build it for
you for some $100 extra."

I am simply not able to argue any more on this subject neither to answer to
everybody. Neither I am gonna take a part in this thread any more. But since
I stated what I stated, I think that all those people deserve, what I said.
Here is my "expend" of "debt".One more thing, I do not intend to analyze this
schematic or to give any comment.No questions, no answers.Only one claim:
this device at least do something, despite some commercial devices do nothing!
I mentioned $100....Well, I give it for free now to everybody!
Best regards and good bye!

[michael]

Thanks so much Mr. Ivconic.It's precious and I by my own appreciate it and your favor. I hope it be a useful and practical. Regards, Michael.