MINERO

[goldfinder]

Cost of Minero

My own preference is to keep this thread alive. It has good vibes, the submitters have been very constructive and not stabbing each other whenever views are different.

Beside, we don't really know if the Minero really works... and $8000 is a lot of money to dump for something that is outside of the norm in our current science paradigm.

Also, I would rather we do the experiments ourselves, published results and learn learn learn. I would rather find a way around dumping 8 grand if we can figure out how to do it for a few hundred dollars or less. There is nothing wrong or illegal in duplicating a patent for personal use and you can't patent scientific principles.

My current experiments didn't prove out with my current ion detector so I may upgrade it so its for ions only, not both ions and electrostatic fields.

The Minero still looks like a scam to me but I am willing to do some testing. If you rich guys that bought a Minero would submit one for testing we could put a lot of this to bed.

Goldfinder

[J_Player]

This thread is still alive. Only the section about the non-Mineoro ion detector construction has been moved. The results of Dell's preliminary testing are posted in the TA forum here: http://www.treasureamerica.com//phpb...?t=278&start=0

Dell is still testing and trying to learn why the new Mineoro machine does not perform as well as the other LRL brands that it was tested against. Apparently the Minero machine does work, but only under specific field conditions which are not necessary for the other models to work. Dell is looking to find some method or procedure that may have been omitted from the Minero instruction manual, which is necessary in order to make the Mineoro perform like the other LRLs.

If you want to build an alternate design, then the negative ion detector design can be built for under $50 worth of electronic parts plus a salvaged radio antenna and aluminim dish. I moved that thread because it has nothing to do with reporting the results of the new Mineoro machines. It should be noted that any device that detects ions using the method of this electronic detector will by its nature of design also detect electrostatic fields and electrostatic frequenies in the audio spectrum if they are present in the vicinity of the dish.

There is also a step-by-step plan for building a molecular frequency discriminating LRL by Carl here: http://www.thunting.com/cgi-bin/geot...mfd1/index.dat
This MFD LRL costs even less than the negative ion detector (probably costs about $20 worth of electronic parts and plastic sprinkler pipe parts, plus a brass welding rod). The upper limit would be $50 as Carl stated, if you bought all the parts online and paid for shipping.

I hesitate to build either of these designs or buy a Mineoro machine until I can understand the exact details of the principle on which these devices work. It seems to me that There are many modifications that could be easily made to the LRLs at very low cost which may greatly enhance their performance. But I have never had any LRL perform for me in a manner that showed me where any treasure is located. According to Dell, practical experience and knowledge of how to use a LRL is more important than the design of the machine for locating treasure. And Until I have some knowledge or experience that can lead to finding treasure with a LRL, I think I am wasting my time and money pursuing a LRL. See more on this in the new thread on Ivconic's ion detector.

[Largesarge]

I agree with JP, this is the wrong place to discuss building any type of equipment. I don't know but perhaps our most wonderful host "Carl the Munificent" (yup I'm kiss'n up) could start a thread with an appropriate title and move those posts relevent to that subject to it.

[robert]

Oye,oye, ionic chamber oya podrida blooorp!

ts,ts,ts !!!

[robert]

oye,la oye...

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[robert]

now....


No really.....
this kind of claims and retorics is abusing,offencing my inteligence....
What man can do against it?
Nothing much but play nonsence...
Regards....
P.S.
Clean this excell forum from lrl trash !!!

[michael]

explain

Hi. Could you please explain more about your purpose of putting the Pic?
please write in english. Are you one of them in the Pic?

[Delbert grady]

Struth Sundance. I would not like to run in to the bad guys in that town.

[Qiaozhi]

... Are you one of them in the Pic?

I very much doubt it
Some of it is in English (well - American slang anyway) and as for the rest of it, I can make an intelligent guess.
Doesn't sound too complimentary to me

Michael - I believe it's supposed to be a joke against the Mineoro manufacturers

[robert]

Just a ...


Yes, it was just a joke....nothing else...
All i can do against LRL pandemia is to jokin'
regards...
P.S.
I am not one of them for sure! Besides i reside in Europe...and I am not English...

[michael]

Please write rationally

robert! If you ridicule Long Range Detection, I can say you never know anything about it. the long range detection technique is real but the accuracy and precision of results differs from some to others.
Yesterday I talked to phone with a PDC 210 Owner he said had found many small
targets not very deep but for every deep detection encountered to empety holes he thought this device is only for shallow targets, but I think it's pinpointing for deep targets has problem.
some of them he had found; 1 gold coin at 30 cm, 5 gold coin at 70 cm and 3 golden earing at 150 cm
depth. what's the truth???

[Francisco Xavier]

There is so much posts about quite...nothing.

First the fundamentals of working, the basics of electronics and the construction quality are at least third world, third mind, level to say stupid.
Second, it is a fraud to ask $ 8 K for a misery lyke this device.
Third, the individuals that buy such a device, for that price, without taking any advice from a electronic engineer or other serious expert, are at last Christmas Father believers to say imatures.
I beleave this forum is a open mind and for SERIOUS TECHNICAL questions not for pseudo-cience and gost believers.

Good luck hunting

[Esteban]

Eppur, si muove

Michael

Remember me the persons of the Medium Age. They had uniformity mind: "the Earth is square"...

I'm happy because there are many persons wich never will see long range detection or semi-long range.

TECHNICAL INFO. Work in this way: consider an electric field around the conductive target and you will advance very much.

[michael]

Hi dear Esteban. nice to see your post again.
Francisco Xavier!! and robert!!
The discussion is not for the price. the only important thing is the device could work appropriately now the electrical components cost 1$ or 1000000$. it is made of steel or plastic or is just a wooden twig.
If can show the hot place, is approved. do you have anything ,any word to learn us? or you are like as many other men just can disquiet minds? don't close your eyes open your mouth or pen and shout OOOOHHHH people long range detection is fraudulence. why? have you done field tests? Do you claim you are an experienced man?
do you have any new thing for us? (definitely documented) If yes, I will be your disciple.
Do you have anything better than toys(conventional metal detectors) for us?

A forum is a place for exchanging and sharing information and experiences not to deny or approve zealously a certain name, firm , a manner and etc.
A forum is a place people learn from each other not to ridicule or humiliate each other.
a forum like as this can progress our knowledge an abilities only when the members present their evident and honest founds. persons such as Dell Winders, Esteban , Hung and even Carl-NC.
some people have statements and some other may have just a word, but sometimes that odd word is golden.
I don't approve or deny mineoros and never know them. I live in Middle East and only looking for truth.
One day you see Carl-NC claims mineoro 205 never works and disassembles it and says "It has nothing for these reasons don't waste your money for it". well, this is a high-worthy performance anyway he has done
one thing and a motion like as self-sacrificing. but you, Francisco Xavier and robert!!, do you have like as this for us?
If no, please don't give an injury to the way for reaching the truth.

[robert]

Oye again...


Michael, you can phone me and i'll tell you even more fantastic story about my finds.
Francisco Xavier , good point ! I agree with you all!
Esteban i do respect you ! With you i can talk even i do not aprove all your claims.
"Do you have anything better than toys(conventional metal detectors) for us?"
Michael are you martian !? "Toys", you said !!?? Those toys are only devices with wich
you can find at least anything! I would like to have something better than ordinary
metal detector in spirit of finding much more than i do.But all of you martians are
holding secret just for yourself, we ordinary people are stuck to ordinary devices...
About contributions here....This is only one thread in this forum, why do not you
visit other threads and read at least something else than lrl.....Besides, the main
contribution here is to stop naive people to waste money on trash! To explain to the
people what is fraud and what is not. I have full right to claim my claims according to
my experience, even to uncover and spitt on charlatans and mountebanks here.....Some
of them are so agressive in "pushing" wrong ideas and lies here that it corrupt the whole
concept of this excell forum. Being here,night by night, for me means a lot, to read and
learn from the others,to download schematics,tips,hints, to comunicate with other people
but when i see that somebody trying to "sell" nonsence to me and others than i have right
to react. There are other forums on the .net, just for the lrl'sts. Why do you people have
such strong need to come here and spoil everything. We (ordinary IB and PI "toy" lovers)
do not coming to your forums and do not bug in your fairy tales.
Esteban is a rare example of LRL'st i can talk and comunicate with, 'cose he is not
agressive and not trying to press anybody with his ideas, although he acts like a human from
time to time (ha,ha,ha....i remembered that donkey pic...). If you want to be heared, at least
try to act like hi does. Keep up a good manners and you are welcome!
Let me tell you something out of this dispute....
I do beleive that there is some way to detect remote object on some distance in some depth...
I also beleive that there are people which have very developed mental capabillity to "fell"
something, even, in most cases if they can't explain exact what. Also there are a small
number of people who developed and trained even more their natural, borned with, capabilities
and can "fell" and "see" almost exact situation on the remoted sight. Also there is a very
small number of people who can predict the future or see in the past, etc.etc.
History is full with such primers....But this is supposed to be a technical forum, with
very exact science-supported facts. If somebody founded a coin in 2m depth with some LRL toy or
even with mineoro, trust me he could find the same coin even if he holded a simple piece of
wire in his hand. That coin is not credit of mineoro or any other nonsence device, that coin
is a merit of natural skills of a person, himself !
That's why i am pissed off, people are confused. They are pushed to waste $xxx 000 on some
rubish and fill somebody's pockets, and stay unawared of their skills, but strongly beleive
in fraud they bought. Occasionally they find some coin or ring and even more hardly beleive
in that nonsence device and nobody in this world can persuade them, any more in adversely !!!
That is naked truth ! If you want to prospect as LRL'st, do not waste your money. Go outdoor
and practice,improve your skills with some wire or some homemade odd....
Mineoro manufacturers noticed that feature of human mind, and got the idea how to make a lot
of money for nothing! Like many others through history so far....
This is my explanation on that phenomena, and that i am trying to "push" here in everybody's
mind.
About posted picture, well i knew that it will **** off some people here. It was intended to
do, although it was just a joke...

Just read this one more time:
"This whole subject is an excellent example of a phenomenon known as pathological science.
Believers offer fantastic theories that are contrary to experience, and meet any criticism
with ad hoc excuses. Such theories can easily be spotted as pathological, when only the
believers can reproduce the results, and critics continually fail to duplicate the experiment.
This does not mean that anybody is being purposely dishonest, but simply that people are tricked
into believing false results by a lack of understanding. There are many published cases over
the years that have attracted a great deal of attention, and sometimes many hundreds of papers
have been published supporting the results. Some even lasted as long as 20 years before it was
accepted that the results were caused by subjective effects, wishful thinking, or threshold
interactions.
Self-deception is a process by which we deceive ourselves into accepting something as true,
when in fact it is based on a false idea. This is why scientists insist on clearly defined and
controlled double-blind, randomized and repeatable tests. This is the only way to negate the
wonderful ability of human beings to deceive themselves into believing things that are not true.
"Our capacity for self-deception has no known limits." - Michael Novak
QIAOZHI
Nobody could write that better!
At the end...Beleive what ever you want to beleive, nobody can forbid that to you....
But do not talk about it if you do not have any material proof....In that case you might
easy became a victim of some "unsalted" joke....(see above)...
All your(LRL'sts) proofs ends on retorics so far.....
Bye,bye......