MINERO

[Esteban]

Use the terminology radiofrequency for to separate the oscillation frequency from a coil (and his harmonics) to the pure audio in a speaker. Also use the terminology radiofrequency for to designate the radio apparatus inside the box (yes, radio, can be AM, 25 Mhz or FM).

About radiofrequencies, how works GPR at high frequencies?

[Esteban]

From the ETI Troglograph

Troglograph is a apparatus for communications in caves.

[detectoman]

hola esteban y demas
yo no soy esceptico a nada, y estoy seguro de que muchas estrategias hay para lograr diferentes propositos, y es que en efecto la electronica es una ciencia muy extensa, y que puede ser aplicada de muchas maneras, y estoy seguro de que pueden aun descubrirse muchos diferentes aparatos para detectar de mejor forma, y se que a veces el uso de diferentes detectores en conjunto se necesitan para ser usados para poder encontrar muy escondidas cosas en diferentes terrenos, yo he andado en compañia de muy diversos amigos detectores, ellos usan tegnicas por demas extrañas, pero ellos creen en ellas, y yo se que pudieran ser eficaces y que tienen amplios margenes de error, la solucion es ser experto en eso, y eso no es facil, cada terreno es especial, y diferentes estrategias pueden usarse, en el caso de los mineoro aunque nunca los he usado se que estan en camino de ser eficientes, y creo que deben tener tambien muchas limitaciones, y creo que es necesario un experto con experiencia en ellos para poder usarlos correctamente, creo que estos detectores mineoro , tambien precisan de ayuda en conjunto con otros detectores, y entiendo que estos detectores pudieran no funcionar en especiales condiciones de terreno o de clima, y que precisan de condiciones que los favorezcan, y creo que son artefactos que aun estan en proceso de eficacia, y que solo los que han tenido ya alguna experiencia en sus diseños anteriores pudieran obtener bastante utilidad de ellos, en verdad mi opinion no tiene mucha importancia pues nunca he usado un lrl o un mineoro pero estoy muy abierto a los logros de la invesigacion, creo que solo alguien con extrema paciencia puede usar eficazmente estos detectores, eso lo digo desde un punto de experiencia de alguien como yo que le gusta mucho la dinamica increible de la electronica
yo creo que se hace necesario un detector liviano que cumpla todas las ventajas de todos los detectores juntos, ya que es muy engorroso cargar en las expediciones con todo un arsenal de distintos detectores, y seria mejor solo llevar un versatil y compacto detector todo terreno del tamaño o forma del mineoro o aun mas pequeño, un detector que pueda ser usado aun entre la maleza o entre los riscos en parajes montañosos, se necesita un detector que resista a todo clima, y que no le afecte la lluvia y resista los golpes y el fuerte calentamiento del sol, yo opino que es necesario un detector que pueda ser enfocado a mediana distancia y que tambien pueda precisar el punto exacto enfocandolo hacia abajo, he visto que el mineoro precisa de una brujula y que es necesaria la orientacion de los polos de la tierra, para que este pueda ser influenciado en toda su capacidad, y esto es engorroso, y he oido de esteban que precisa de estarlo moviendo de arriba a abajo constantemente, esto tambien es dificultoso, imaginen como terminara la muñeca de la mano con ese proceso constante, yo creo que los que defienden al mineoro deben de dar una pruba indudable de su eficacia, y ya que ellos conocen las condiciones ambientales para que este funcione a toda capacidad, que escogan tambien esta condicion neceasaria, y es que es necesaria la demostracion cierta, si el detector es eficiente puede facilmente ser demostrado , si no es que es aun un detector en proceso de perfeccionamiento y con muchas fallas, en el caso de que fueron encontradas estatuas de serpientes en egipto, a gran profundidad, esto solo es creible porque en egipto solo hay arena y es muy estable la estatica ambiental, y no hay intercepciones de electromagnetismos de minerales o metales o corrientes de agua ,como en un terreno de montaña o ciudad , creo que el mineoro precisa de muy especiales condiciones para su correcto funcionamiento, precisa de que haya especial estabilidad atsmosferica, yo creo que aun pudiera inventarse un mejor detector y que este no fuera tan impractico como uno que precisa de una computadora colgada al cuello para scaner, yo creo que un versatil detector que se maneje como una liviana pistola" seria lo optimo , este detector deberia ser muy resistente y eficiente, y creo que es posible su diseñacion, y creo que el camino son las estrategias de la captacion de radiofrecuencias o bandas, de trasmisor y recepcion , algo parecido al sonar, creo que ese detector resolveria todas las dificultades que nos incomodan, creo que los detectores de platillo terminaran por quedar casi obsoletos,y solo aplicables en especiales usos , como dentro de un recobeco o cueva, y creo que solo se necesita un pequeño detector que detecte la frecuencia especial que emite un metal solido en desorden de acomodos humanos, y confinado a una hubicacion extraña, creo que tambien los metales pudieran ser encontrados con unas simples varillas en las manos, pero que eso precisaria de una enorme experiencia de parte del manipulador, y que esa estrategia tambien precisa de condiciones tanto del operador como de que no hay vientos que muevan esas rusticas varillas las cuales deberian de ser de especial aleacion, en ese caso se usa el efecto de palanca aplicado a los extremos de esas varillas, y las bandas de las corrientes magneticas, nada mas potente que las fuerzas de las facultades humanas, pero la electricidad o la electronica es una maravilla que puede ser manipulada en artefactos especiales muy estables en todas las condiciones de alli la importancia del avance de invencion de los aparatos detectores inmejorables

muchas maneras hay de llegar a un logro, pero no todas son las mejores
aplicar la mejor estrategia del momento es la solucion
el mejor detector de metales aun no esta inventado, siempre habra uno mejor.
todos tienen sus desventajas
el mejor detector es el que va acompañado de la inteligencia

detectoman

[Qiaozhi]

ESP

...and i can explain
to myself, and to you how? Here is how: you are borned with "extra sence" skills, you are
not awared of those skills.Your mind is "accepting" any apparatus you choose by case, and
when holding that apparatus in your hands,on the field, than your "skills" start to do a job!
The same thing with rods and odds....
My point was from the begining, why wasting money on expensive nonsence devices, while you
can do same thing with much cheaper apparatus, for example rods...
If you have "borned with" sences and skills, the result is gonna be same as with moneoro!

Personally I do not believe in ESP (extrasensory perception) either.
You just have to watch Derren Brown to understand how easily the human mind can be fooled and controlled by others - or even by yourself!
http://www.channel4.com/entertainmen...rol/index.html
In particular, watch the Magic Doll - under Trick of the Mind.
Enjoy

[hung]

Wow.

So much posts since the last time I visited. Some very interesting and informative, some so amusing that made me laugh a lot..

However for me, it's quite impressive how the LRL skeptics keep insisting they don't work. I promised I wouldn't lose my time in that argument anymore. Just one thing to add. I do beleive there may be other working LRLs besides the Mineoros. But as far as conception and effectiveness, they are the best for me.

Esteban: Thanks for your info.Really nice to learn about the details of the Pat Garret's case. I already knew about this when Damasio told me upon the last time I visited him.
He said Alonso detected the watch with the prototype of the DCH 85. After the exact spot was pinpointed by the prototype detector, Garret (the detectorist) ran his best model Garret over it. As expected, no beep at all. Then by the time that about 2 foot of ground had been dug, the Garret detector started to emit weak beeps. The watch was about 3 to 4 foot deep if memory does not fail me. Garret then grabbed the watch and started to run around his property yelling and laughing exactly as a child at Alonso and the others' amusement.
I also was told that Mel Fisher knew about the detector (not sure if he was present at that occasion) and invited Alonso and his group to participate the search for the so called 'Atocha's mother lode' the following week. Well , simply put he did locate the area where the treasure was. Fisher dismissed the group that day and a week later returned to the spot where he recovered the treasure. Not a single word to anybody about who truly had in fact locate the treasure! And not a single object was handed to Alonso and his group! Not even thanks was said! This was DISGUSTING!!
So disgusting that the british gentleman Mr. John Baldwin had a nervous breakdown and died!

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Relevant things to consider here.
The DCH 85 worked with almost 100% of ionic field intensity. Those days in US really had the right conditions for it to work luckily and fortunately.
The 'center & deep' acessory did not exist at that time. Thus he pinpointed the spot using triangulation.

Also Esteban, the pinpointing of target with the PDC 210 can actually be achieved for small objects. You simply use the center&deep. Have someone hold it in front of the PDC's antenna and when you move it on the ground the PDC will beep indicating the exact location.

JPlayer: In one of the last times I phoned Damasio, he told me that after the lauching of the FG78 which is taking all of his time, he plans to go personally to US for a public demonstration. If this does happen I will see if I could go with him to act as interpreter too.
I believe Mr. Kurt Kluey does not have the new models yet (DC 2007 and FG7 as they are on the verge of shipping.

Closing.
The PDC 205 and PDC 210 were great at their times and many treasures were found with it. Check the Iran's case which I reported here some time ago.
I said they 'were' because they are now far surpassed by the new DC and FG in terms of accuracy and detecting power.

I have a site already detected by the PDC 210 which is truly a jesuit valuable. I won't coment here how we got to this conclusion. The PDC 210 beeps continuously as if it was in front of a power transformer. We are setting up plans of recovery right now. The only reason I did not go yet is because I am waiting for the FG to come out just to check how it behaves there.

Curiosity killed the cat!

[Esteban]

Hung, yes I know this history about M. Fisher and Garrett!!!

Regarding the center and depth, I use "my style": walk and over the target with the machine in 90º angle the beeps increases.

[michael]

Hi Hung.
Nice to see your post here again. Thank you for your encouraging post like as Esteban's.
Please don't deprive us from your perceived notes and experiences.
it sounds Some people only believe in conventional MDs. OK, but here in Middle east people never become happy of coin shooting at surface and all of them have gotten bored, disappointed and hated of most of CMDs.
(even about the professional versions) they are thirsty for new generation detectors.
their eyes looking forward Your results which being collected .
We follow every note carefully. some people ask about them and I tell still is under survey. Your efforts will be appreciated.

[robert]

True story.....


"..but I am at a loss as to how you believe it can be controlled with the mind.
If that is true then it means I was mentally controlling the beeps made by the
Mineoro with my mind while it was being operated by another party. I don't think
I'm capable of that, but it would be nice if I could."
I never said that.I would be very stupid to beleive in that.I assumed that it is a
sort of parallel process.While mineoro "beeps" randomly with no rule,your mind
"start thinking" it is "connected" and very random you start diging and occasionally
you find something.Very nice proof to my words is that funny video from mineoro,
where a 5-6 man "chanting" over some corn field.After a 30-40 minutes acting very
idiotic and diging a huge hole in the ground,finally one of them performed as he
found some small,gold chain or something simillar.The quality of a video is awfully
low, so i am not able to see clear what was the item!?
I was thinking to my self(while watching that video):"If i have to act like that,every
time i go on the field, and dig such enormous hole, every time on every "beep".....
well, the hell with mineoro...!!!"
But one more thing! Despite my claims, mineoro users still have found something!?
How can i explain that? Here's how:
During so many years of prospecting i have noticed something very interesting. There is
not even one sqare meter on this sad earth, where man did'nt put or lost something!
I've been visited so many terrains,everywhere i found something. With mineoro or
without it, if you start randomlly dig a huge holes everyehere, trust me, you gonna
find so much items, you wont beleive it !!
The meaning of metal detecting apparatus is to help a man not to waste to much time
and energy on locating and diging holes everywhere, but to easy locate item and as
less as possible to "labour" over it...Otherwise,why wasting money on them?

"About radiofrequencies, how works GPR at high frequencies?"
Friend you are lightly informed. Go at some GPR site and dig deep.

"Personally I do not believe in ESP (extrasensory perception) either."
I do not want to beleive in ESP too. I do not have any of those "skills".
But you may find everywhere examples that "something is going on"....
Of course there are a lot of examples of, like you said:
"...how easily the human mind can be fooled and controlled by others
- or even by yourself!"
I can agree with you on that too."Misty" stuff.Man can easy straggle in.
Dell is very smart and capable merchant. I salute to your aptitude Dell!
But your explanations shows that prospecting is not a "light" hobby but
very complicated "science" and prospector has to be a "lifetime" involved
in, worked with some lrl stuff.Things no needs if use of some convetional
metal detecting equipment.But anyway you show here that you are very intelligent
and a great retoric, also very conversant too. Compliments!
Although, i do not agree with you in more things than i can agree.

About latest Hung post....
Man oh man !? What are you talking about??? I never saw such big pile of lies
ever!!!! That Garret/Fisher story and that watch....Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!!!
Are you that naive to think that everybody here are so stupid to beleive in
it?!?
That story never happened ! Only in your heads...
I bet that all of you people (hung,michael,esteban,detectoman and whatever)
are coming from the same place.This is a public forum.When you registrating in
you may write any name or address,no body can check you anyway. So, you are
acting here,wasting space and time here,trying to promote lrl trash, esspecially
the biggest fraud ever - mineoro!
In manner to sell another device to some naive and stupid - dork!
This is a true story, one and only:
Last time i visited Alonso,i detected with my Jetco"Treasure Hawk" the watch
(Panco Villa's and Emillio Zappatas digital Sony watch) on 345 feet depth. After the
exact spot was pinpointed by the prototype detector, Alonso (the mineoro'ist)
ran his best model FG78 over it. As expected, no beep at all. Then by the time
that about 2 foot of ground had been dug, the FG78 started to emit weak "Oye's".
The watch was about 345 to 400 foot deep if memory does not fail me. Alonso then
grabbed the watch and started to run around his property yelling and laughing exactly
as a child, with "Oye,oye!!!" words,at mine and the others' amusement.
This is a true story! If you don't beleive me ask my dead grandma for it.By the way,
i have nothing better to do so i am here, wasting time,words and anoying everybody.
Besides, FG78 is already on market for over the 2 months here in Europe.It is
interesting that mineoro supplys european market first!!!I guess Dell didn't done
his homework good.About so many times quoted "middle east"....What's new there?
So many jars in the sand and none of coins!?There must be very rich population
there!?Only mineoro can solve that problem!
No,really, you people(except a few beleivers here) are so funny,that i am so
focused on your posts like on some mexican tv soap!Everything is so nice!
Just keep it that way!
forever yours(with a big vomit from your stories)....your one and only....
Alonso.....no sorry...Emillio....no sorry...Pancho....yes,it must be me, the
Pancho!!!

[Esteban]

Do you visit the Remote Sensing forum for humillate the persons? Your personal decception no mean the inexistence of remote sensing instrument for precious metals. As I said, many persons never will see "la crema de la crema" —cream of the cream— of the detection. The reality is superior than the fiction! The most incredible history sometimes is the true and the more credible, easy to understand for all, is the lie. A simple radiotechnician built the cream of cream in gold-silver detectors, because he believe that is possible. Sometimes excess of academicism is poison for new knowledges.

In the past or in the today present, remote sensing, lrl, etc., are reprobate words since they born. As you know, any remote sensing forum (or subforum) is localized near the "garage sales" place.

My friend, sea humilde y respete a otros si usted quiere ser respetado. Não generalize!

Want to clariffy that the RF instruments I post time to time with great effort and much investigations aren't Mineoro, except the DCH85 in hand of a US citizen owner with couple of oxidated coins he found.

If this place is for to discuss about remote sensing and, as I see, from the point of view of the majority don't exist remote sensing instruments, about what do you'll write here? So, don't understand why we are wasting our or your time here.

[michael]

New sophistications?

"...I bet that all of you people (hung,michael,esteban,detectoman and whatever) are coming from the same place."

oops. Again???? Do you think and judge on every thing like this?
It was my pleasure and honor if I would be their compatriot or pal. because of their honesty.
every time you write makes my mind and heart more steady to them and assures me about them.
It's good at least didn't add DELL to this list. If he was not obviously American you would do???
Oh and he is likewise highly honest even if the fact be possibly against himself and his benefit; approving mineoro. He is lover to this scale and to his work.
When I ordered one DDL to dell for my destination (U.A.E) he sent it without getting money Oh, DDL was in my hands whereas the money still was not paid. he never knew or had seen me. then he is not a merchant.

About so many times quoted "middle east"....What's new there?
So many jars in the sand and none of coins!? There must be very rich population there!? Only mineoro can solve that problem!
what do you know from here? When I saw the news of 3 jar full of coins wasn't astonished at all.
because before that had heard news of a greater found, a trove (6 tones=6000 KG gold) in Iran. of course not in sands or beaches 20 cm under ground!!! but this news never published. Why? because there treasure hunting is a serious matter for government and they even execute professional treasure hunters.
I did very efforts to know if they hunted it by a specific instrument, but didn't succeed. apparently was based on an ancient map. god knows better, but I am certain people there don't jingle and jangle for shooting a coin or even a pile of coins.
You never know maybe mineoro is the solution and if be approved as is advertised, they all will choose it.
for your information should be mentioned; yes, there are many peoples who are very very more rich than you can imagine.
previously I knew a team (by a mediate not from near) in Iran, they found about 4 fantastic treasures by omnitron + a PI MD. Now they are not in Iran, they migrated to Europe (Might be Spain).
"If there was not things, people would not tell about things"
Please don't run your personal equations about what you noway know.

[Esteban]

forever yours(with a big vomit from your stories)....your one and only....
Alonso.....no sorry...Emillio....no sorry...Pancho....yes,it must be me, the
Pancho!!![/QUOTE]

Robert big vomit = muuuuuch vodka

[hung]

Besides, FG78 is already on market for over the 2 months here in Europe.It is
interesting that mineoro supplys european market first!!!

Would you please detail this claim?
The information I have is that the FG 78 will only start to ship next week after a delay caused by changing ICs and retesting them as covered here by me.
In fact your statement made me call a friend at Mineoro to confirm this info.
I was told that no FGs were sent to Europe anytime simply because they were not ready. Not even a prototype was used there AFAIK.

My guess is that you mistook it by the GDP 538 or GDM 428.
Cheers.

[robert]

.....

:o
"Do you visit the Remote Sensing forum for humillate the persons?"
Of course NOT !!!Only bad ideas.
"A simple radiotechnician built the cream of cream in gold-silver
detectors, because he believe that is possible."
Ahaa!!! Now you are talking! " ...because he believe that is possible...".
Do you understand now my claims about "skills".That "cream of cream" will
work only with its constructor and nobody else, like maybe mineoro, who knows!?
"My friend, sea humilde y respete a otros si usted quiere ser respetado. Não generalize!"
Well....if i start talking here on my language...what's gonna happen!? I do not
understand spanish or whatever it was....many times people here avoiding english...
why is that so!?
"...about what do you'll write here..."
About frauds, close connected with mineoro, on first place!(since this thread is named
as it is)
"It's good at least didn't add DELL to this list. If he was not obviously
American you would do???"
It has nothing to do with "americanism".Dell is very "awake" about his claims, which
you, other people are not!
"...what do you know from here?"
You only can imagine!Maybe more than you.....The rest is personal, i am not gonna
expose here..
"... did very efforts to know if they hunted it by a specific instrument,
but didn't succeed...."
Yes.It is specific instrument(s)...None of it LRL or mineoro. You may look on the
.net for more information. One of them you may find on "OYO Geometrics" site.No
effort at all, for me to tell you that!
"...Please don't run your personal equations about what you noway know."
Ha,ha,ha ! I never did it! Trust me.

"Robert big vomit = muuuuuch vodka"
Yes, it is truth! But not for me.(My name is not RObert anyway)...
I don't drink.It's only happen when reading
nonsence stories and fairy tales....

"My guess is that you mistook it by the GDP 538 or GDM 428."
I don't think so! Besides, who cares? They all the same! Non-working toys!
To cut this for good, i have idea: why don't you buy it and test? Than you
decide.
Bad things should be exposed for all to see! Frauds on the first place! This thread
is just supposed to do that! Not to collect more naives.As long as this mineoro
campaign runs on, that long, people like me would raise voices here! Do not expect
from me to recede.I do have my reasons not to.Be very carefully what to claim here!
Otherwise you'll face bad humor,jokes and a lot of critics! The same i do expect
for my claims if they are wrong.
Bye!

[Qiaozhi]

LRL Finds

I knew a team (by a mediate not from near) in Iran, they found about 4 fantastic treasures by omnitron + a PI MD.

This is just an observation - but I have noticed many times on this forum, whenever a treasure is claimed to have been found by an LRL, that (in most cases) there is also a conventional metal detector involved. For example, in the case quoted by michael above.

[Qiaozhi]

Spanish Lingo

"My friend, sea humilde y respete a otros si usted quiere ser respetado. Não generalize!" I do not understand spanish or whatever it was....

Yes, it's Spanish.
I believe it says "My friend, be humble and respect others if you want to be respected". But I've no idea what "Não generalize!" means in English, or any other language for that matter.