Simple question

[wam]

Since we talk like civilize people I may offer other possibility.
My grandma was LRL of “weather change”. Her hands did change mechanically (with pain) due to moisture. Once in the play ground she told me that she can not seat and watch me from particular location because she does not fill good there. Later it was discovered that it was cracked water pipe under this place and it had more moisture then others. Some people will call it super powers others will think it can be detected with moisture sensor and electronics (and explain by doctor). If people sense something and they are honest then we should think “science”. If treasure is hidden under ground then it is possible and probable that moister distribution has been effected. So let enjoy magic of LRL but think “science”. Please, do not blame people for fillings unless it is not real and just to scum others for money. I have appeal for all LRL inventors – DO NOT KEEP SECRETS – even if some of your inventions are funny or strange – there is so many things out there to explore in reality. I like this forum because it is trying to be free of scum. If any one has some secrets and want to make money out of it … This forum appears to me to be for the one who want to exchange info and help each other with hobby – not a business .

[ivconic]

What?
You made a battery power VC2002?

Do you have any idea what this is worth in the MFD community?
Your modified VC2002 is the only VC2002 that can be taken in the field for finding amazing treasures.

This VC2002 is more valuable than winning the Carl-NC LRL prize.
You can be rich!
Do you know you can sell this battery VC2002 to people in the UK who want to buy LRLs?
But be sure to include a free LRL that they can connect to it...
Check recent forum posts from people in the UK who want to buy LRLs to see who you should contact.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yeah!
Can you believe it!
Like Wam stated in post above; i will not take money, but if they want i will post hints about it.

[ivconic]

Wam welcome here!
That's the spirit and that's the talking!
The way you appeared here is most proper way and i don't see the reason why majority of other dowsers do not act the same?
What's wrong in talking?
I like your points, because it is obvious that you are having an open mind, which is the only way to future.
Yes, i can "feel" in my bones the weather too and sometimes underground water too.
Some mornings i wake up so broken, every little bone is in ache!
And it is already proved that there is huge water deposit under my house.
Also there are certain spots where i can not stay for longer time, because i feel very bad than.
I am not so old (45) yet i had wild past and now am suffering the consequences.
So... as you see; i can agree with you on many points.
I like your explanations about gravity etc... could make some sense, although can't tell nothing for sure.
It is not the field of my primary interests and therefore i should have to learn more on that subject, to be able to make some conclusions.
Anyway, i do respect you appearance here!
Cheers!

[Qiaozhi]

I like this forum because it is trying to be free of scum. If any one has some secrets and want to make money out of it … This forum appears to me to be for the one who want to exchange info and help each other with hobby – not a business .

That's the general idea.
Geotech Remote Sensing - the scum-free forum.

[ivconic]

That's the general idea.
Geotech Remote Sensing - the scum-free forum.

More important is to keep our minds scum-free, i think.
I guess than situation on forums like this one, will also set on it's place.
This topic is perfect "indicator" of real situation, how things are really going on.
We have here many members. Let's say we have here 50% pure skeptics, 30% pure believers and 20% of people who's are "half way there".
So i asked very important and elementary question.
I got only 3 responses from "other side";
Mike with his disturbed mind, gave me nothing but pure nonsense as answer,
Hung just added his "traditional" sarcasm over Mike's rubbish,
and finally
Wam appeared at the end and tried to give if not answer than for sure some interesting guidelines.
So, actually i got only ONE response here, actually.
If it was not Wam to appear; i would definitely "lock" my conclusions and put the END on this topic, but since he appeared i still can not do that.
I can only say that it is really indicative what this topic is showing.
Like JPlayer earlier concluded:
Fisherman tales are always better than living fish... to huge majority of "believers".
...
Therefore i am afraid that scumers with their scums will continue to exist and be given full attention by those 20%+30% here.
Horrible fact that there are so much people hooked on such lunatic bases as dowsing and LRL - yet their major "theorists" and proponents are still not able to give answer on most elementary question of all questions:
What is LRL "signal" and what are it's properties and features?
...
This story will go on.
But i think we will not get not even closer to final agreement UNTIL more people like Wam appears here on these forums.
I guess we will miss Esteban much more here than we could realize!

[ivconic]

What is LRL "signal" and what are it's properties and features?

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Question remains the same.
Also LRL'sts "songs remains the same" too!

[J_Player]

What is LRL "signal" and what are it's properties and features?

...
Question remains the same.
Also LRL'sts "songs remains the same" too!

Hi Ivconic,
I don;t know what is this signal from personal experience, but a respected doctor of LRL told me how it works...
"Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned"

I think this might tell the answer.
You should be able to build an electronic carrier signal line shooter and catcher to find these signals if he is correct.

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic,
I don;t know what is this signal from personal experience, but a respected doctor of LRL told me how it works...
"Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned"

I think this might tell the answer.
You should be able to build an electronic signal line shooter and catcher to find these signals if he is correct.

Best wishes,
J_P

That's complete nonsense, wouldn't you agree?
I would suggest him to read few articles on NMR.
Those people are mixing NMR frequencies of materials with non existing "LRL frequencies" most of the time!
Is it so hard to find NMR articles on internet and read them?
I bet those people never heard about Wikipedia?

[ivconic]

http://web.mit.edu/speclab/www/Facility/nmrfreq.html

[ivconic]

There is no such thing as "resonance of elements" as they pronounce it usually.

"...Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) is a physical phenomenon in which magnetic nuclei in a magnetic field absorb and re-emit electromagnetic radiation. This energy is at a specific resonance frequency which depends on the strength of the magnetic field and the magnetic properties of the isotope of the atoms..."

They should read this sentence dozen times to understand...seems?!

[ivconic]

A key feature of NMR is that the resonance frequency of a particular substance is directly proportional to the strength of the applied magnetic field.

Applied magnetic field...

I think this is toughest part which they can not understand!?

[J_Player]

That's complete nonsense, wouldn't you agree?
I would suggest him to read few articles on NMR.
Those people are mixing NMR frequencies of materials with non existing "LRL frequencies" most of the time!
Is it so hard to find NMR articles on internet and read them?
I bet those people never heard about Wikipedia?

Well, of course I agree it is nonsense.
But the MFD people say I am stupid.
So I listen to see what they say is the signal instead of decide it does not exist.
Think about it... if you decide the LRL signal does not exist, then we can end all talk of LRL.
The game is over. Same as vacuum... nothing there at all.

But if we listen to important doctors of LRL, then we have something to talk about.
We can learn how gold DNA produces a substance to coat the surface to fight against oxidation.
Think of the possibilities.... no more weather coatings other than apply this substance to all outdoor metals.
We are exploring new frontiers of science here.
And if it does not work... well, still same fun as watching Star Wars movie.

Am I wrong?

Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

http://230nsc1.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nmr.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance_spectroscopy

[satdaveuk]

I have few friends, dowsers.
I like to talk with them and try to persuade them to give up of such nonsense.
Also i am following their success rate. It is more than poor.
But, fact is that each one of those do have (and carry with) one conventional md, just in any case!
So if they miss to locate something by dowsing, there is always good old md to continue with.
None of those can explain more soberly what they are doing with dowsing.
They "feel" something, but what? Nobody can explain soberly.
And 99% of their targets are never discovered.
Various reasons for that: too deep, too unclear "signal"...etc..etc..
"Who's gonna dig such deep hole now?" - most favorite excuse!
"There are no conditions now, at the moment, but surely we will return back soon, with proper tools, and we will dig it out!"
It is fun to watch those people.
It is fun to talk with them.
Yet none of those can't explain what kind of "signal" they are "receiving" when dowsing.
Most recent case is one friend with Ranger Teller.
Pretty cool guy, educated well, smart... yet to much "believer", if you ask me.
He is locating dozen "strong signals" each time we go outdoor.
I tried so hard to pull out from him recognition that RT was a piece of crap and nothing else, yet i haven't success!
No matter i explained to him that nothing revolutionary and secret is going on in that funny calculator, nor in few nonsense wired components inside RT box - no success.
"There is some process that's going on, yet" - he says!
And at the same time he is unable to explain and elaborate!
Along with him , there are 4-5 friends more.
All those are constantly pushing me to "rethink and reconsider" all the "technique" and knowledge i have and to involve my self in making "something that will work more better"!
I tried, i made Zahori's for each one of those, although first i explained them what is Zahori.
I made dozen other nonsense devices and apparatuses.
Each one of those i made is "working" ... by them!
But "it is not complete accurate, must be that there is a way to do it a bit better.."!
I am not taking no money for granted nor based on frauds and lies.
Each time i get such demand, i do perform long patience talk, trying to persuade them to give up.
Also i do backup my efforts with all possible arguments that i have against dowsing.
Yet... no benefit from such my efforts...!?
So, they want something to achieve... only they don't know how! Neither than me!
They "feel" something... only they don't know what is it! Neither than me!
Rate of their success is more than devastating, yet they don't give up!
So.. how to be smart about this "human phenomena" !?

haha its a laugh isnt it
in the summer time i keep a fishing rod in the van because one of my permissions runs along a river so if I get bored of finding fishing tackel I can fish with the worms that ive dug while digging, If you think about it all goes well together and you get a better buzz when getting the catch due using everything found apart from the rod, and to be honest I could use the branch off the hanging trees then volla
Mind you if im deep in meditation maybe I could try dowsing with it , proberly end up falling in the river

[ivconic]

I see my last post is deleted?!
What for?
What was so insulting in it to be deleted?
Who deleted it?
Carl or Qiaozhi?
I see; history is repeating here...
On other side, sentences like this:
"..For all you stupid skeptics (or liars).."
IS PERFECTLY FINE AND SUITS THIS FORUM RULES??

I was so stupid to come back here!
For what?
That's was big "Thanks" from admins to me! Indeed!
Good bye!