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[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi dear friends...

did you think if we produce a sine signal with special frequency [for example 5khz for gold]
and with a signal generator or a sound player and amplify it by one audio amplifier and send this signal to Lrod's handle, this is work for finding gold ?

[Fred]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell

Regards

Very well for him i am sure. A 555 and e few VR´s, not even a real pcb and a screw to hold it properlyfor... $ 1995 + the "plug-ins", i am sure it works pretty well for him indeed.

[Fred]

No big difference. Very simple with air emition only (with a 555) the detected field is small.
Sorry but i don't understand what you mean "natural earth gradient "

Regards

Well, 9v "whatever signal" in the air between two rods is not going to do anything, you know that Geo.
About natural earth gradient: above the surface of the earth there is a voltage that develop, i you could measure it you would see many hundreds of volts between you feets and your head (when you stand up ) This is what makes thunderstorms under special conditions, judging by the size of the "spark" you can imagine how high is the voltage.
I suppose this voltage gradient could influence a lot the effects you are talking about, if you compare it to a 9v battery...

[J_Player]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell

Regards

Dell?

He said operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for his use in 1988.
He did not use it, he only sold it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell

Regards

[J_Player]

I use the 14.4V lithium battery from TDI.
(Thanks to Carl)
2Ah or biger is OK.
I don't use the small box that connected to Lrods....

But what happening with you????
The time to California is about 04:00 and you don't sleep. I saw this many times with you


......MP3 player has not power so it is better to make something from the beggining

Regards

Time is not 4:00, but is very late.
The reason is because much of my work is on the computer that must be completed on a schedule.
I like to work late hours because this is the time when there is there is no interruptions to stop me like I find during business hours and early evening hours.
I can do 3-4 hours and finish my scheduled work, then in the day I can work slow and stop for a break when I want without hurting the schedule.

But this does not explain how the VR-800 finds treasure.
mp3 player is only the signal... the power comes from 12v car battery and transformer...
You can add extra transistor stages to send large current to transformer.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

MP3 player has not power so it is better to make something from the beggining

Regards

[Geo]

Excellent!
This solves the problem of putting a frequency through a transformer... it will come out as sine to make a perfect waveform.
But when we have over 70 volts and many milliamps, we are using some power.
And we also lose about 20% power through the transformer.
So maybe better to use a bigger battery than a single 9V.
Maybe better to use a 12 or 18 volt Lithium ion battery with 2 amp-hr capacity taken from a portable drill so battery will not run dry too soon.

Also, what should we do with the small plastic box that has 555 oscillator connected to the dowsing rod handles?

Best wishes,
J_P

I use the 14.4V lithium battery from TDI.
(Thanks to Carl)
2Ah or biger is OK.
I don't use the small box that connected to Lrods....

But what happening with you????
The time to California is about 04:00 and you don't sleep. I saw this many times with you

Regards

[wam]

I will try to place mp3s on ebay. What a grate idea, no need to go to post office to make delivery.
Regards,

[J_Player]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

This seems an interesting idea.
You can record all the treasure frequencies as mp3 songs.
Then name each song to the name of the treasure, like Gold.mp3, Silver.mp3, Platinum.mp3, etc.
Then you will never need to worry about the frequency drift because it is digital encoded and cannot change frequency.
But best thing is your secret frequency is safe, because most people will not know you hid it on an mp3.
If people hear your mp3 songs they will think it they are very boring songs, and they will not try to steal them.
The treasure hunter can also take the 12 v audio signal and put it to headphones to help with the treasure hunting while the high voltage is in the ground.

I wonder if 1000 volt signal is better for getting longer range detection?
Maybe we must study the earth impedance at different frequencies for good impedance matching of the 1000v signal.


Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

I think that PC is not usable because of HIGH noise and it will make impossible to use bio-neuro triangular detection, but original box can be less noisy if they remove all LEDs and keep one to indicate that it is ON. It can reduce praise of it - it seems that rotary switch with ionized Gold contacts is the reason for high price.
Regards,

[GOLDENSKULL]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

I think better way is, we use a signal generator software on our laptop and amplify the output of laptop sound card to give this signal to earth by probes or even give this signal to our LRL Handels ...
What do you think ???

[wam]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
It is very easy....
A oscillator with a power transistor and a transformer. So you don't need high voltage battery. Another very good solution is to use a TDA ic.... for power amplifier.
BUT... the waveform must be sine

Regards

Excellent!
This solves the problem of putting a frequency through a transformer... it will come out as sine to make a perfect waveform.
But when we have over 70 volts and many milliamps, we are using some power.
And we also lose about 20% power through the transformer.
So maybe better to use a bigger battery than a single 9V.
Maybe better to use a 12 or 18 volt Lithium ion battery with 2 amp-hr capacity taken from a portable drill so battery will not run dry too soon.

Also, what should we do with the small plastic box that has 555 oscillator connected to the dowsing rod handles?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Fred,
Of course this is what we are talking about.
We have been talking about the VR-800 style L-rod with a 555 frequency generator since I answered goldfinder's post #39 where he complained about the high cost of commercial MFD LRLs.
Geo knows this very well because he can read posts before he makes replies.
If Geo is certain that 70 volts is needed, then we have discovered the reason why the VR-800 failed to help Dell Winders find the hidden coins so he could win the Randi prize.
Maybe I should use eight 9v batteries glued together in series.
I think I can plug the positive and negative connectors together without using glue.
Then I will have the needed voltage without making a special power supply.
But this is too much voltage for my 3055 transistors.
Maybe I need to switch to 100v SCRs or triodes for releasing this voltage into the ground at the different treasure frequencies.
Rubber gloves could be useful.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
It is very easy....
A oscillator with a power transistor and a transformer. So you don't need high voltage battery. Another very good solution is to use a TDA ic.... for power amplifier.
BUT... the waveform must be sine

Regards